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So Mr. Willy nilly Leo Tavares and me had a conversation on the e-mails but he nuked our e-mails with spam of his replies as he has to refereance everything that has been said all the time sending a new e-mail for every reply.
And then Richard got his Forum up so let's just continiue the debate here Leo so we don't nuke more e-mails with your spam replies.

So, to put everyone here up to speed.
Leo uses ordinal & standard gematria systems.
I use reduced, ordinal & standard systems.
I use Hebrew, Greek & English gematria.
He uses Hebrew & Greek gematria.

Leo use the argument of the digital sum of Genesis 1:1 & John 1:1 being a better alternative to the reduced system since:
Digital sum of Gen 1:1 = 82 = 3 joined Triangles of 7
Digital sum of John 1:1 = 171 "In the beginning was the Word" (G o)
Sum = 253 = 7th Star, which is the precise Star that pairs with T37
And Leo calls this a valid 3 step code which I reject. It's noise.

Leo argues that 171 & 82 is the semantic division of Star(7). Not so sure about that yet.
(I can upload a image of this when Richard has fixed the image feature on this forum)

Digital sum of Gen 1:1 & John 1:1 = 253 = Tri(22)
ord Gen 1:1 & John 1:1 = 903 = Tri(42)
std Gen 1:1 & John 1:1 = 6328 = Tri(112)

And I asked Leo if he can connect the individual values here (22, 42, 112) to something giving us a meaning.
He can't do that.
I also asked why the ordinal digital sum does not hit a Triangle but no reply.
Finally, I also said to Leo that he can't use both digital sum and total values as one complete jigsaw puzzle being meant to be as long as we don't see this in other integrations as verse# 343 & verse# 777. Since the main verse to integrate with verse# 777 is verse# 343 (7x7x7).

I don't have the same problems like Leo here so I can just do this:
reduced Gen 1:1 & John 1:1 = 325 (3225 = 5 digits of Tri(777)) = Tri(25 "codes" κωδικοι (r))
ordinal Gen 1:1 & John 1:1 = 903 = Tri(42 "of knowledge" דעת = Rec(6 "and" ו) = Pri(2) x Pri(3) x Pri(5) --- 2x3x5 = (30 = perimeter of Penta(7)))
standard Gen 1:1 & John 1:1 = 6328 = Tri(112 "Alpha" אלפא)

729 (α) = CW of Vs(2877 = 100x(7+7+7) + 777)
CW of Vs(729) = 777
3 CW of Vs(2187 = 3x 729) = 777

Vs = verse#
CW = Center Word(s)
3 CW = three CW

All Mr Willy Nilly could reply with was this:

Alex, have you lost your mind? I just showed you that the concatenation of the Triangular orders in T112, T42 and T22 = 22 * 137 * 373 and you act like it's nothing?

It's a cool connection that you willy nillyied there when you get it correct:
1124222 = (i. α) 137 x x 8206 (826 "Alpha" אלפא (rs))
rs = reverse standard

But I still need the connections to 22, 42 & 112 here.

Alex, 

Why are you lying about me "spamming emails"? You are the one who has been spamming everyone for years with up to 20 emails a day of rambling nonsense that usually just gets ignored. All I did yesterday was reply to each reply you sent me one at a time. I never sent out multiple emails in a row or created multiple email chains. That's your thing, not mine. 

I showed how the Standard/Ordinal and Digital Sum (DS) of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 all produce Triangles. The Standard union was discovered by Peter Bluer while the Ordinal and DS union was discovered by me: 

● Standard sum of G 1:1 + J 1:1 = 2701 + 3627 = T112 
● Ordinal sum of G 1:1 + J 1:1 = 298 + 605 = T42 
● Digital sum of G 1:1 + J 1:1 = 82 + 171 = T22 

All of them produce Triangles.

I can show you many ways how this forms a logically self-referencing convergence around the semantic/geometric structure of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. The problem is you have no idea how to tell the difference between design and randomness. 

For example, the foundational verse of the LOGOS (373) is John 1:1, right? Well, guess what Triangle pairs with the Logos Star figure of 373? T22! Yes, the only Triangle that pairs with the Logos Star figure is the precise Triangle formed from the DS of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1. Furthermore, the DS of John 1:1 itself = 171 = The Ordinal Greek value of "In the beginning was the LOGOS". 

Do you think this is significant or is it nothing to you? 

As I showed previously, the DS of Genesis 1:1 = 82 and the ONLY way to form a Trapezium with 82 counters just happens to pair with the DS of John 1:1 (171) to form T22, which itself just happens to pair with Logos Star 373. 

I already explained how the Triangular order numbers of 112, 42 and 22 are related: 
● The sum of 22 + 42 + 112 = "LORD JESUS" in Ordinal Greek 
● The concatenation of 112, 42 and 22 = 1124222 = 22 × 137 × 373 

The significance of these three factors is obvious: 
- 22 = The number of letters in the Hebrew alphabet = The first Triangle derived from the union of G 1:1 + J 1:1 
- 137 = The fine structure constant, which is the most fundamental constant in creation (and G 1:1/J 1:1 = The key "Creation Verses" of the Bible) 
- 373 = The concatenation of the Genesis 1:1 Prime Factors (37/73) = LOGOS = The Logos Star, which itself pairs with T22

The fact that you think this is "noise", and that the garbled mess you presented in favor of your "reduced method" is somehow evidence of anything (other than the endless chaos in your own head), tells me everything I need to know. 


2368 created the universe, 

Leo

If it forms that Trapezium then alright. I saw one of those images you shared where you used a weird polygon on that Triangle being 82.
That got me confused regarding that one.

Vs = Verse#
Tri = Triangle
Pri = Prime number
Lucky = Lucky number
r/red = reduced
o/ord = ordinal
s/std = standard
Fr = Full reduced
Fo = Full ordinal
Fs = Full standard
E = English
CW = Center Word(s)

Now that this has been cleared, we can talk about the other problems you got here.


● Standard sum of G 1:1 + J 1:1 = 2701 + 3627 = T112
● Ordinal sum of G 1:1 + J 1:1 = 298 + 605 = T42
● Digital sum of G 1:1 + J 1:1 = 82 + 171 = T22

You are mixing digital sums and total values here into one harminic jigsaw puzzle that was meant to be.
Please show me what 22, 42 & 112 stands for here. How do I know it stands for something?

We find 3 Triangles in Gen 1:1
No.L = 28 = Tri(7)
2 last words = 703 = Tri(37)
TV = 2701 = Tri(73)

7, 37 & 73 are all lucky numbers and prime numbers.
7 = Lucky(3) = Pri(5)
37 = Lucky(11) = Pri(13)
73 = Lucky(18) = Pri(18)
7+37+73 = "seven hundred seventy and seven" (E r) = "the seal of God" (E o) = "seven seven seven" שבע שבע שבע (o)
3118 = 318 with an extended digit
318 "the fine-structure constant" (E o) = 151 + 167
151 = Lucky(32 = Lucky orders added of 7, 37 & 73)
167 = Pri(40 = Prime orders added of 7, 37 & 73)
CW of Vs(318) = 40


The only verse that mentions "seven hundred seventy and seven" is verse# 137 (i. α)
CW of Vs(729 (α)) = 777
CW of Vs(2187 = 3x 729 (α)) = 777

Fr+Fo+Fs Vs(777) = 6903 = Tri(117 = 7+37+73)
word# 137 by rotation when counting in cycles of Fr+Fo+Fs Vs(777) = 948 (9948 = C.Tri(7) + C.Tri(37) + C.Tri(73))
Words & letters by rot. added up to the orders of Tri(7), Tri(37) & Tri(73) of Vs(777) = 3432 = Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73)

What do you mean I'm "mixing" values here? All of the numbers are derived from the S/O system (Standard/Ordinal values), the semantic structure of Genesis 1:1/John 1:1 and the natural geometry derived from Genesis 1:1/John 1:1. 

I'm not treating the DS (Digital Sum) method as an additional method to the primary Standard/Ordinal systems. I'm simply saying there IS a DS code within the Standard word values of the G 1:1/J 1:1 union and that this code would break down if you were to replace it with your "reduced method". 

If I have to apply the DS to the Ordinal values as well, then what do you do with this? : 

● "Jesus" (Standard Greek) = 888 = 37 * 24 
● "Christ" (Standard Greek) = 1480 = 37 * 40 
● (8 + 8 + 8) + (1 + 4 + 8 + 0) = 37 

Are you saying this is insignificant? The reason I mention it is because it only works with the Standard values and so it is with the DS code of G 1:1/J 1:1 (i.e. it uses the SAME logic of adding the digits in the Standard values). Notice how this also breaks down if you replace it with your "reduced method". 

The Standard has precedence over the Ordinal by virtue of it yielding larger values. The Standard method is like the sun while the Ordinal method is like the moon (both unite as one, just as the sun/moon does in a total solar eclipse). 

Bottom-line: Digital summation is a logical mathematical function and applying it to the Standard values here in G 1:1/J 1:1 follows the SAME logic of only applying it to the Standard values of Jesus Christ. 

Why are you asking me to explain the relationship between the Triangular orders of 112, 42 and 22 again when I already did? You want me to repeat myself? 

● The combined sum of 22 + 42 + 112 = "LORD JESUS" in Ordinal Greek 
● The concatenation of those three exact numbers, in descending order (1124222), yields three obviously significant factors (22, 137 and 373), thereby further validating this G 1:1/J 1:1 union  


Alex, none of your "codes" can ever be meaningful because you have way too many methods of encoding that you use all over the place (essentially making all of them primary methods to you). You can force virtually any pattern you want with that many methods and two massive books to work with (in your case, the Hebrew/Greek Bible and the KJV Bible). 

The way you demonstrate design is through a repeatedly self-referencing convergence within a closed set of data and preferably with the most minimal number of encoding methods (hence why I only use the Standard/Ordinal as primary). 



2368 is God, 

Leo

First I’d like to say it’s a real pleasure seeing this forum up and running again. I hope it once more becomes the premier site for code researchers.

Whilst I have no issue with digital sums, I believe the reduced value should also be taken into account. This is the sum of the standard value of the letters with the zeros removed. So 200 becomes 2. The reduced value of John 1.1 is 243, which is 3^5 and therefore entirely apt for John’s opening verse, as 3 is the number of the Trinity and spirit in general.

However, when 243 is added to the reduced value of Genesis 1.1, 82, we obtain 325, or T25. So we now have, for the standard, ordinal and reduced values of the summed verses, 6328 (T112), 903 (T42) and 325 (T25).

So reduced values also give a triangular number.

The odds against the standard, ordinal and reduced values all being triangular are about the same as the product of their indexes. So for T112, T42 and T25, this is

1 in (112 x 42 x 25) = 117,600.

1 in 117600 is spectacularly low (if we include the digital sum in the calculation, the odds increase to 1 in 2.5 million).

1176 itself is the s.v. of monogenes huios/only begotten son, and is T48.

The probability of those three Triangles found in the red, ord & std TV of Gen 1:1 & John 1:1 is nearly 1 out of 1 million when you check the min-max values of verses.

● "Jesus" (Standard Greek) = 888 = 37 * 24
● "Christ" (Standard Greek) = 1480 = 37 * 40
● (8 + 8 + 8) + (1 + 4 + 8 + 0) = 37

I'm saying that the DS method is there to enforce the total values as we see here.
That's all. Putting 22, 42 & 112 together as a complete three Triangle set here is wrong!
You are mixing methods.

112/42/22 = 0.121...
121 = CW of Vs(888) + CW of Vs(1480) = No Triangle connection here.

112/42/25 = 0.106666666667
1067 = CW of verses ordered at Tri(7), Tri(37) & Tri(73)
And you know what makes sense with that.

7 is connected to reduced, 37 is connected to ordinal & 73 is connected to standard.
"wisdom" חכמה (r) = 19 = C.Tri(4) = C.Hex(3) [4+3 = 7] = Pri-o(61 = Happy-o(379 "perfect" (E s)))
"wisdom" חכמה (o) = 37 = FLL of Vs(37) + FLL of Vs(73) = FLL of red Vs(Lucky(7)), ord Vs(Lucky(37)) & std Vs(Lucky(7) = "perfect" (E r)
= Letters ordered at 7, 37 & 73 of the bible
"wisdom" חכמה (s) = 73 = "perfect" (E o)

"Three lucky numbers numbers" (E s) = 2535 = 1000 + CW of verses ordered at 7, 37, 73
7, 37, 73 & 777 are all lucky numbers.

Pri-o = Prime order of
PP-o = Pythagorean prime order of
Happy-o = Happy order of
FLL = First & Last Letters

And look at this Leo, it just magically alligns:
UC of red Vs(325)/UC of ord Vs(903)/UC of std Vs(6328) is ((28*2*20*1*21*10*22*2*20*1*1*12*5*10*13*1*22*5*21*13*10*13*6*1*22*5*1*20*18)/(7*76*23*41*23*62*29*44)) / ((52*5*13*1*17*22*7*9*7*13*15*11*15*3*15*18*10*1*9*15*11*15*3*15*18*7*13*16*17*15*18*19*15*13*8*5*15*13*10*1*9*8*5*15*18*7*13*15*11*15*3*15*18)/(17*18*56*20*15*62*20*15*62*20*66*47*41*20*46*20*15*62)) = 0.0000000000000000000000003766...
3766 = TV of Vs(316 = C.Tri(15 = Tri(5 = PP-o(37))) = C.Hepta(3+7))

316 is both a Centered Triangle & Centered Heptagon.
316 = CW of Vs(777)
Trangles has 3 sides and a Heptagon has 7 sides.
37 = code number for 777 = first word of Vs(7+37+73) = first word of Vs(777)
Only three numbers below 3.8 million are both C.Tri & C.Hepta. These numbers are: 1, 316 & 7246.

r word# 325 + o word# 903 + s word# 6328 (of the Bible) is 13+21+217 = 251 = Pri(55 = Tri(3+7) = Hepta(5 = PP-o(37)))
= prime factor of rs Vs(777)
rs = reverse standard
1 & 55 are the only numbers below 121000 that are both Tri & Hepta.

And all that can only be random in your world. That is some really nice geometrical codes.
UC = Ultra Calculation = (number of letters x product of letters)/(number of words x product of words)

Bill, 

Yes, the "reduced method" (i.e. applying cycles of 1 through 9 to the letters of the alphabet) also produces a G 1:1 + J 1:1 Triangle but it doesn't yield the type of convergence seen in the DS (Digital Sum) of G 1:1 + J 1:1. For example, look at this 3-step pattern I found in the natural numbers written out with their digits grouped in sets of two: 

1) 12
2) 34
3) 56
4) 78
5) 91
6) 01
7) 11
8) 21
9) 31
10) 41
11) 51
12) 61
13) 71
14) 81
15) 92
16) 02
17) 12
18) 22
19) 32
20) 42
21) 52
22) 62 = "LOGOS" (Ordinal Greek)

Now here are the natural numbers written out with their digits grouped in sets of three: 

1) 123
2) 456
3) 789
4) 101
5) 112
6) 131
7) 415
8) 161
9) 718
10) 192
11) 021
12) 222
13) 324
14) 252
15) 627
16) 282
17) 930
18) 313
19) 233
20) 343
21) 536
22) 373 = "LOGOS" (Standard Greek) = The Logos Star, which pairs with the DS Triangle of G 1:1 + J 1:1 (T22)

Finally, here are the natural numbers written out with their digits grouped in sets of four: 

1) 1234
2) 5678
3) 9101
4) 1121
5) 3141
6) 5161
7) 7181
8) 9202
9) 1222
10) 3242
11) 5262
12) 7282
13) 9303
14) 1323
15) 3343
16) 5363
17) 7383
18) 9404
19) 1424
20) 3444
21) 5464
22) 7484 = T22 + T42 + T112

It's important to understand what's going on here and the logical convergence within this 3-step analysis: 

1) The first Triangle derived from the G 1:1/J 1:1 union = T22 and the 22nd number derived from the natural numbers in digital sets of two = 62 = The Ordinal Greek value of "LOGOS"
2) The 22nd number derived from the natural numbers in digital sets of three = 373 = The Standard Greek value of "LOGOS" and Logos Star 373 pairs with T22 (i.e. The DS Triangle of G 1:1 + J 1:1)
3) The 22nd number derived from the natural numbers in digital sets of four = T22 + T42 + T112 (i.e. the three logical group of Triangles derived from G 1:1 + J 1:1) 

I can show many ways how the DS of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 forms a repeatedly self-referencing convergence, whether with pure numbers or geometry. For example, here's another geometric example: 

● The 22nd Hexagon = 1387 and pairs with 22^2 (when taking on a diamond shape with sides of 22) 
● 1387 - 22^2 sections off 903 counters and 903 = The Ordinal G 1:1 + J 1:1 Triangle = T42 
● The DIGITAL ROOT CYCLE of the Hexagon number sequence itself yields an infinitely repeating cycle 1,7,1,1,7,1,1,7,1 ... to infinity (DIGITAL SUM of J 1:1 = 171 = Ordinal Greek of "In the beginning was the LOGOS") 

Notice how all of this depends on using the digital sum of John 1:1 and completely breaks down if we replace it with the "reduced method". My question to you is this: Why would you want to throw away all these logically converging points (all tied to the semantic/geometric structure of G 1:1/J 1:1) to save the "reduced method"? 

Remember, exchanging your reduced method for the digital sum method doesn't affect your use of it in Hebrew or even your work on English Gematria, since it yields the same results in Hebrew and English (it only yields different results with the Biblical Greek alphabet). Therefore, why not just use the digital sum method? 



2368 created the universe, 

Leo

You are a funny guy. Alright, so you found something here.
This is the very first proof of anything you have showed me that digital sum can be used in a set with the ordinal & standard values.
But this does not prove that you can just swap out the reduced value with the digital sum as default.
You can do it alternatively.

Don't you find it a bit strange that numbers 42 & 112 are found in the orders of 20 & 5 in the lists you shared. 25
Hahaha

You need to willy nilly up something else here as you came nowhere with that.
I bet that if you check 1000 different sets of numbers that you will find something.
Off you go to willy nilly land