Patterns in Primes

[RAMcGough]

I'm starting a new thread for this topic. Leo has done amazing work on these patterns over the span of many years. I would like to dig deep.

Hi Richard, 

I would say that it shows there are deeper layers to the Genesis 1:1 code and its mirrored prime factors of 37/73. I think it also points to the divine omniscience of the encoder.

When you say "pi coincidences", I assume you mean this: 

Pi position of 111 = 153 
Pi position of 222 = 1735 
Pi position of 333 = 1698 
Pi position of 444 = 2707 
Pi position of 555 = 177 
Pi position of 666 = 2440 
Pi position of 777 = 1589 
Pi position of 888 = 4751 
Pi position of 999 = 762 

Total Pi sum = 16012 

16012 + 21061 = 37073 

I wasn't thinking of particular examples when I used the phrase "pi coincidences". I was just referring to the patterns in general, including those of Oren Evron who found some pretty amazing stuff relating Torah (611) and 2701 (see this video). And I didn't mean to suggest they are all merely coincidental. The perpetual challenge in any "pattern finding" is to discerning between chance and design (see my thread Cherry Picking: A Fundamental Cognitive Error).

Concerning the pattern above. Did you freely choose the number of digits (3 vs 4)? That would be a binary choice for 9 numbers, giving 2^9 = 512 possible sums using your method. Is this what you did, or am I missing something?

This is different from the prime code I showed earlier and yet it points back again to the large value 37073, which highlights the mirrored prime factors of Genesis 1:1. When I showed all this to Vernon Jenkins and Peter Bluer, they were both stunned. In fact, Peter called it the best evidence he'd ever seen and calls it "a thunderbolt from heaven" in his updated book: 

1) The mirrored primes 37 and 73 have mirrored prime orders, who squares are also mirrors 
2) G 1:1 = 2701 = 37 × 73 and 2701 + 1072 = 3773 
3) The Triple Repdigits are palindromic and forms a logical set of multiples of 37 
4) The primes indexed to those Triple Repdigits = 37073 
5) The pi positions of those very same Triple Repdigits yield a mirror sum of 37073 
6) The primes indexed to the 7 word values of G 1:1 = P(2161) and 2161 + 1612 = 3773
7) The number 2161 is itself the exact average value between the sum of the mirrors 1 through 37 (1279) and the sum of the mirrors 1 through 73 (3043) 

The entire convergence is derived from the prime factors of Genesis 1:1 (and its principle of mirror symmetry), which opens a sacred text that proclaims the omniscient God, who would surely know all the infinite positions of the entire infinity of numbers, simultaneously. All knowledge is equally and simultaneously known to an omniscient God.

I do find these patterns fascinating, but ONLY because they reflect the primes 37/73 found in the first verse. They feel "secondary" to me for three reasons:

1) They depend on the existing independent patterns in Genesis.
2) Their is no obvious motivation for doing the specific calculations using prime indexes.
3) The patterns don't seem to add any understanding. They feel like "curious coincidences". This is very different from the structure of Genesis 1:1 which creates a self-reflective symmetric structure and integrates deeply with many truths. E.g. the surface text teaches a six day creation and the geometry of Genesis is based on hexagonal symmetry. That's very deep and enlightening, I feel.

But don't get me wrong - there is probably a lot more going on here that I can't appreciate yet. I can see why people like Jenkins and Bluer were "stunned" - they were "primed" to see patterns in primes, having studied them for a long time. I wasn't moved by these patterns when I saw them "back in the day" before I fell away, and now I'm looking through shiny new eyes which feel much more receptive (after being humbled by the Lord's hand). So I'm excited to dig in with you!

FYI - I had never been impressed by the pi and e encodings because I saw no motivation for the complex algorithm and the number of digits were small so it had the feel of hunting through an infinite ocean of possible algorithms until you find a relatively modest "hit". But I never really thought deeply about it. I now think it's probably very significant. Here's a link to my recent reevaluation of the evidence in conversation with Bill.

Yes, God logically can't change the order of the primes or the order of the digits in pi (they are where they are by necessity), but he can certainly choose a set of values that form alignments across different key sequences. We see the same phenomenon occurring with geometric alignments, in that the Biblical numbers were chosen even though the geometric pairings are what they are by necessity. 

It's very difficult to speculate about the limitations logic may impose on God given that he could scan an infinity of possible universes and choose the one He prefers. We can talk about the limitations GIVEN that God chose the logic that governs this universe, but in general it's a very difficult philosophical project.

I'm glad you mentioned the Genesis 1:1 split of (1998 + T37) = T73, as it too is encoded in the Triple Repdigits. We know that composite numbers are naturally related to prime numbers (the latter being the very building blocks of the former). Therefore, we have the following, with 1998 being a product of 37 and the 37th COMPOSITE NUMBER and being chosen by the divine encoder to form the first semantic division in Genesis 1:1 (i.e. the composite ordering is what it is by necessity but the number 1998 itself was chosen): 

The nth composite number = CN 

CN(81) = 111 and CN(111) = 146 
CN(174) = 222 and CN(222) = 284 
CN(265) = 333 and CN(333) = 414 
CN(357) = 444 and CN(444) = 545 
CN(453) = 555 and CN(555) = 679 
CN(544) = 666 and CN(666) = 806 
CN(639) = 777 and CN(777) = 936 
CN(733) = 888 and CN(888) = 1068 
CN(830) = 999 and CN(999) = 1196 

Sum of COMPOSITE ORDERS of Triple Repdigits = 4076 
Sum of COMPOSITE NUMBERS indexed to Triple Repdigits = 6074 

6074 - 4076 = 1998 

The 37th COMPOSITE NUMBER = 54 

54 × 37 = 1998 

"In the beginning God created the heavens" (SH) = 1998

That is intriguing, but again, it depends on the existence of the primary pattern, which I call the Creation Holograph. It is this algebraic/geometric integration that really floats my boat. Your methods do look very impressive, but they leave me wondering about probability since I don't know how many different methods you could have used. This is why they don't yet have the "wow" factor like the Creation Holograph yet. I suspect this may change as our conversation progresses!
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https://biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Creation_John1.php

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God bless you Leo! You work is truly impressive. It is so good to have you here sharing your research.

[Megiddo]

Greetings brother!

The reasoning behind me using the Triple Repdigits is tied to Genesis 1:1 itself and its mirrored primes of 37/73. The Triple Repdigits form a logical set of palindromic multiples of 37. In other words, 37 is the key Genesis 1:1 prime and the palindromic nature of the Triple Repdigits follows the Genesis 1:1 principle of mirror symmetry. 

I agree that the Triple Repdigit codes reflect the foundational primes of Genesis 1:1, but that doesn't make it any less amazing or significant. I wouldn't call it secondary either. Instead, I would say it furthers or adds to the evidence that has been laid down prior. 

Here's another example of the "prime pointer" phenomenon, which unites T1480 with the primes indexed to T37 and T73: 

Genesis 1:1 (SH) = 37 × 73 

T37 = 703 and T73 = 2701 

P(703) + P(2701) × 37 = T1480 

"Christ" (SG) = 1480 


Would you agree that this passes the "WOW test"? I think it does. 

Btw, the prime/composite indexing code can also be demonstrated in the physical world (through the building blocks of matter: Protons and Neutrons), but we can get to that some other time in the future. It's one thing to demonstrate a self-referencing convergence within key Biblical verses, but to do so in the physical world (with key Biblical values) is another thing. 


I know you don't like to focus on using Ordinal values in your presentations but I should probably mention my work here on how the primes indexed to the Ordinal Genesis 1:1 word values ALSO point back to the original mirrored primes of 37/73: 

P(76) = 383 
P(23) = 83 
P(41) = 179 
P(23) = 83 
P(62) = 293 
P(29) = 109
P(44) = 193 

Total sum = 3 × 7 × 3 × 7 × 3 

Genesis 1:1 (OH) = 298 

298 × 37 = T148 

"Christ" (SG) = 1480 

T148 = 11026 

11026 + 62011 = 73037 

Genesis 1:1 (SH) = 73 × 37 


Notice how BOTH the Standard/Ordinal word values of Genesis 1:1 point back to the mirrored primes of 37/73 (through the prime indexing code), while the total Ordinal value points to a Triangle that logically repeats the same reflective pointer to the mirrored primes of 37/73 (i.e. 2701 + 1072 = 3773 and 11026 + 62011 = 73037).


Blessings to you, 

Leo

[RAMcGough]

Pi position of 111 = 153
Pi position of 222 = 1735
Pi position of 333 = 1698
Pi position of 444 = 2707
Pi position of 555 = 177
Pi position of 666 = 2440
Pi position of 777 = 1589
Pi position of 888 = 4751
Pi position of 999 = 762

Total Pi sum = 16012

16012 + 21061 = 37073

Concerning the pattern above. Did you freely choose the number of digits (3 vs 4)? That would be a binary choice for 9 numbers, giving 2^9 = 512 possible sums using your method. Is this what you did, or am I missing something?

Greetings brother!

The reasoning behind me using the Triple Repdigits is tied to Genesis 1:1 itself and its mirrored primes of 37/73. The Triple Repdigits form a logical set of palindromic multiples of 37. In other words, 37 is the key Genesis 1:1 prime and the palindromic nature of the Triple Repdigits follows the Genesis 1:1 principle of mirror symmetry. 

I agree that the Triple Repdigit codes reflect the foundational primes of Genesis 1:1, but that doesn't make it any less amazing or significant. I wouldn't call it secondary either. Instead, I would say it furthers or adds to the evidence that has been laid down prior. 

Hello my fellow-laborer in the mathematical fields of God's Word!

I have no issues with your use of triple repdigits. I'm totally aware of their deep connection with Genesis 1:1. I presume you've seen my article on the GenSet and repunits. Here's the link for anyone interested: https://biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Repdigits.php

My concern was about the number of digits (3 or 4) that you chose to use in the list above.

You used the triple repdigits as pointers, but sometimes you used only three digits that start at the point and sometime 4. This gives you a total of 512 possible sums. Did you search through all 512 until you found the one above? Or am I missing something?

Here's another example of the "prime pointer" phenomenon, which unites T1480 with the primes indexed to T37 and T73: 

Genesis 1:1 (SH) = 37 × 73 

T37 = 703 and T73 = 2701 

P(703) + P(2701) × 37 = T1480 

"Christ" (SG) = 1480 

Would you agree that this passes the "WOW test"? I think it does. 

OK, let's review. You began with three prominent numbers directly derived from Genesis 1:1. 37, T(37), T(73)

You created a function f(a,b) = P(T(a)) + aP(T(b))

And you plugged in these numbers

f(37,73) = P(T(37)) + 37 x P(T(73))

I have two issues.

1) Why this function? There is a literal infinity of possible functions. This feels like cherry picking. I can't see any motivation for choosing this particular function.

2) I can't get the value you got. Here are the numbers I'm using:

P(703) = 5303
P(2701) = 24317
T(1480) = 1095940

So f(37,73) = 5303 + 24317 x 37 = 905032 which is not T(1480)

Did I make a mistake?

Btw, the prime/composite indexing code can also be demonstrated in the physical world (through the building blocks of matter: Protons and Neutrons), but we can get to that some other time in the future. It's one thing to demonstrate a self-referencing convergence within key Biblical verses, but to do so in the physical world (with key Biblical values) is another thing. 

Yeah, I've seen your page on those calculations. If you'd like to present those findings, please create a new thread. I glanced at them, but haven't done a deep dive. So let's do it!

I know you don't like to focus on using Ordinal values in your presentations but I should probably mention my work here on how the primes indexed to the Ordinal Genesis 1:1 word values ALSO point back to the original mirrored primes of 37/73: 

P(76) = 383 
P(23) = 83 
P(41) = 179 
P(23) = 83 
P(62) = 293 
P(29) = 109
P(44) = 193 

Total sum = 3 × 7 × 3 × 7 × 3 

Genesis 1:1 (OH) = 298 

298 × 37 = T148 

"Christ" (SG) = 1480 

T148 = 11026 

11026 + 62011 = 73037 

Genesis 1:1 (SH) = 73 × 37 


Notice how BOTH the Standard/Ordinal word values of Genesis 1:1 point back to the mirrored primes of 37/73 (through the prime indexing code), while the total Ordinal value points to a Triangle that logically repeats the same reflective pointer to the mirrored primes of 37/73 (i.e. 2701 + 1072 = 3773 and 11026 + 62011 = 73037).


Blessings to you, 

Leo

I don't see how the ordinal values themselves "point back to the mirrored primes of 37/73". You had to multiply the ordinal value by 37 to get a number that creates that pattern, but you didn't explain why you multiplied by 37. I just don't see how we can discern between chance and design with methods like this. They don't feel anything like the integrated algebraic geometry we see in Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1.

I love your work and devotion to God's Word.

May God greatly bless you my bother,

Richard

[Megiddo]

Hi Richard,

I think I see what you're saying about the pi digits. You thought the pi positions were decimal digits within pi that I arbitrarily shortened to 3 or 4 digits, but that's not what's happening. Each of the numbers represent the POSITION where they are found within pi. For example, 111 first appears at the 153rd decimal of pi. Do you see what I mean? The 9 pi position values are what they are by necessity.


Regarding T1480, it goes like this:

P(703) = 5303 and P(2701) = 24317

(5303 + 24317) × 37 = T1480

Thus, T1480 divided by 37 is literally the sum of P(703) and P(2701), which are the primes indexed to T37 and T73.


I think it's self-explanatory as to why I multiplied the total Ordinal value (298) by 37, as that is the foundational prime number of Genesis 1:1 itself. Surely you agree?

I also found that the Genesis 1:1 Standard/Ordinal values (2701/298) are themselves geometrically related:

2701 × 73 = The 37th 298-gonal number

The 73rd 3-D Star = The 73rd 298-gonal number


Blessings to you,

Leo

[RAMcGough]

Hi Richard,

I think I see what you're saying about the pi digits. You thought the pi positions were decimal digits within pi that I arbitrarily shortened to 3 or 4 digits, but that's not what's happening. Each of the numbers represent the POSITION where they are found within pi. For example, 111 first appears at the 153rd decimal of pi. Do you see what I mean? The 9 pi position values are what they are by necessity.

DOH! You're right. My old brain misfired on that one. Thanks!

Regarding T1480, it goes like this:

P(703) = 5303 and P(2701) = 24317

(5303 + 24317) × 37 = T1480

Thus, T1480 divided by 37 is literally the sum of P(703) and P(2701), which are the primes indexed to T37 and T73.

Aha! You forgot the parentheses! Easy mistake.

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I think it's self-explanatory as to why I multiplied the total Ordinal value (298) by 37, as that is the foundational prime number of Genesis 1:1 itself. Surely you agree?

I agree it is foundational, but I don't see why that would be a good motivation for using it as an arbitrary multiplier.

I also found that the Genesis 1:1 Standard/Ordinal values (2701/298) are themselves geometrically related:

2701 × 73 = The 37th 298-gonal number

The 73rd 3-D Star = The 73rd 298-gonal number

Yes, that's a "connection" but I see no enlightening unification of self-coherent geometry like we have in Genesis 1:1 proper.

Blessings to you,

Leo

Many blessings to you my friend. I can't say how wonderful it is to be working together.

[RAMcGough]

Hi Richard, 

I would say that it shows there are deeper layers to the Genesis 1:1 code and its mirrored prime factors of 37/73. I think it also points to the divine omniscience of the encoder.

When you say "pi coincidences", I assume you mean this: 

Pi position of 111 = 153 
Pi position of 222 = 1735 
Pi position of 333 = 1698 
Pi position of 444 = 2707 
Pi position of 555 = 177 
Pi position of 666 = 2440 
Pi position of 777 = 1589 
Pi position of 888 = 4751 
Pi position of 999 = 762 

Total Pi sum = 16012 

16012 + 21061 = 37073 

Good morning Leo!

I just woke up after a good night's sleep and my second thought (after thanking our Lord for another day) was about why the patterns in the digits of pi fail to move me. There are a few reasons:

1. The digits are determined by pure number theory (e.g. Basel sum). They are not the product of any choice God could have made other than the choice to instantiate a universe based the kind of logic we see, and we don't even know if He had a choice about that since the laws of logic are probably necessary, i.e. true in any possible universe.

2. The digits of pi appear to have a normal distribution, meaning they look like random numbers (in a mathematical sense). Any patterns found look like they must be mere coincidence, void of any meaning.

3. The patterns give me no understanding or insight into anything. I can't build anything upon them. They are just brute facts that happen to link to numbers that have real significance in the algebraic/geometric analysis of Scripture. At best, they merely "affirm" what is already known and needs no affirmation, and at worst they cast doubt on everything by mixing cherry picking - a fundamental cognitive error - into our analysis of Scripture.

Now don't get me wrong. Some of the patterns are extremely intriguing and evocative! I can see why they fascinate you and many other analysists like Oren Evron (we should discuss his videos). I'm just trying to explain my muted response to them.

In any case, I look forward to digging in deeper into your years of study. You certainly have found many gems. My biggest hope is to help organize them so we can find the bedrock principles of what they mean and how they help in our proclamation of the divine design of Holy Scripture.

God bless you brother!

Richard

PS: I corrected the name of this thread from "Patterns in Primes" to "Patterns in Pi".

[Megiddo]

I'm sorry Richard but this sounds like a strawman. I've stated from the very beginning that neither the pi digits nor the positions of the prime/composite numbers were THEMSELVES encoded. My claim has always been that key Biblical values were chosen (like the 7 word values of Genesis 1:1 or the numbers 1998, 2368, 373, 443 and 37), such that they form alignments across different key sequences of numbers.

You recently said you now accept that pi and e are encoded in Genesis 1:1/John 1:1 because of Euler's Identity but Euler's Identity is what it is by necessity (God couldn't change it if he wanted to, which he wouldn't want to, since his very nature is in perfect harmony with mathematical truth).

If God can encode pi and e in Genesis 1:1/John 1:1 to align with the mathematical necessity of Euler's Identity, then why can't he encode the numbers I highlighted to align with the natural order of primes and the digits of pi?

[RAMcGough]

I'm sorry Richard but this sounds like a strawman. I've stated from the very beginning that neither the pi digits nor the positions of the prime/composite numbers were THEMSELVES encoded. My claim has always been that key Biblical values were chosen (like the 7 word values of Genesis 1:1 or the numbers 1998, 2368, 373, 443 and 37), such that they form alignments across different key sequences of numbers.

You recently said you now accept that pi and e are encoded in Genesis 1:1/John 1:1 because of Euler's Identity but Euler's Identity is what it is by necessity (God couldn't change it if he wanted to, which he wouldn't want to, since his very nature is in perfect harmony with mathematical truth).

If God can encode pi and e in Genesis 1:1/John 1:1 to align with the mathematical necessity of Euler's Identity, then why can't he encode the numbers I highlighted to align with the natural order of primes and the digits of pi?

Hey there Leo,

A strawmen is a misrepresentation of another person's argument or position. I didn't even talk about your position, did I? I gave explanations about my "muted response" to patterns in pi that apply to the topic in general.

Now as for your position: I've explained why it's hard to image how even God with His Omniscience could choose the values of Genesis 1:1 to accomplish all the patterns based on the absolute primes and hex/star pairs and Iota Chi in the DFT and the integration with alpha and the values of pi and e including the positions of all the triple repdigits, etc., etc., etc. There is a logical limit to how many such connections can be "chosen" even by God. The rest must be "mere coincidence". There are only 28 letters in Genesis 1:1. That means God had only 28 choices to make to fully determine that structure of Genesis 1:1. That's a tiny number of choices. That's what makes the design so amazing. God has demonstrated His amazing wisdom. I believe the full Creation Holograph, especially when coupled with the Shema, is more than enough evidence to convince an open-minded skeptic that "God did it".

As for pi and e: I didn't not "accept" that God did it. I said it looked "very significant" meaning worthy of more investigation and thought. As you rightly note, it seems unlikely that there are enough degrees of freedom to allow God to make it fit so many apparently independent patterns. This is why I never gave it much thought in times past. It felt like a distraction. I added nothing of any "substance" to the patterns we see in Genesis & John. It gives me nothing to build on. It's just feels like a curious coincidence. But maybe I'm wrong. My reevaluation of the joint probability was based on the fact that Euler's equation UNIFIES e and pi into a very elegant equation that also is the root of the discrete Fourier Analysis that reveals the Iota Chi in the sums of Genesis values. I don't know how all this is going to work out. I hope you see that I am exploring it with an open mind.

In answer to your last question: "why can't he encode the numbers I highlighted to align with the natural order of primes and the digits of pi?"

My answer is that EACH new "alignment" that you find demands yet ANOTHER DEGREE OF FREEDOM!

Do you understand my point? There are only so many choices available. Once God finished choosing the 28 letters of Genesis 1.1 and the 17 letters of John 1.1, and their numerical values, and the basic laws of logic of our universe, He had NO OTHER CHOICES to make things fit with all those other predetermined number sequences.

Now here's the kicker: We're finite pea-brain clods of dirt. We know nothing of what God really can do with His Omniscience and infinite Wisdom. So maybe he coded every pattern that Alex and LJ and Bill and Geert and you and I and girardlys have seen. But if that's the case, then what do any of them really mean?

God bless you my friend.

Richard