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Leo:
"2368 created the universe"

1John 5:21
Τεκνία, φυλάξατε ἑαυτὰ ἀπὸ τῶν εἰδώλων
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You just said I proved that digital summation can be used with the Standard/Ordinal union of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 and now you're contradicting yourself one hour later. Your mind is pure chaos. 

Alex, I don't have to check 1000 different sets. You need to explain why the very first THREE sets yield the following self-referencing convergence: 

1) The Ordinal Greek value of LOGOS at the 22nd term 
2) The Standard Greek value of LOGOS at the next 22nd term 
3) T22 + T42 + T112 at the next 22nd term 

You didn't forget that the concatenation of these three exact values (1124222) is also a product of the LOGOS (373), did you? 

You have no valid reason to apply cycles of 1 through 9 to any alphabet. You definitely can't validate it with either the Hebrew or the English alphabet, since both of them would yield the same results as my digital sum method. Therefore, you would have to show it with the Biblical Greek AND it would have to be better than the self-referencing semantic/geometric structure I showed for the digital sum union of Genesis 1:1/John 1:1 (since you apparently don't accept my evidence for it). 

Can you do that? Otherwise, what's the point of using the "reduced method" at all?


2368 is God, 

Leo

Megiddo wrote: Sat Oct 18, 2025 3:46 pm Bill, 

It's important to understand what's going on here and the logical convergence within this 3-step analysis: 

1) The first Triangle derived from the G 1:1/J 1:1 union = T22 and the 22nd number derived from the natural numbers in digital sets of two = 62 = The Ordinal Greek value of "LOGOS"
2) The 22nd number derived from the natural numbers in digital sets of three = 373 = The Standard Greek value of "LOGOS" and Logos Star 373 pairs with T22 (i.e. The DS Triangle of G 1:1 + J 1:1)
3) The 22nd number derived from the natural numbers in digital sets of four = T22 + T42 + T112 (i.e. the three logical group of Triangles derived from G 1:1 + J 1:1)

Well, I have to say this is interesting. You’ve convinced me that digital sums are important. You remind me of a coal miner, finding seams underground that no one on the surface suspected were there. Well done. The s, o aand d.s. Values are obviously references to this underground ‘seam’. A lot of the numbers that emerge from the code seem to be part of a ‘best fit’ set, those that have the largest number of interconnections.

I can show many ways how the DS of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 forms a repeatedly self-referencing convergence, whether with pure numbers or geometry. For example, here's another geometric example: 

● The 22nd Hexagon = 1387 and pairs with 22^2 (when taking on a diamond shape with sides of 22) 
● 1387 - 22^2 sections off 903 counters and 903 = The Ordinal G 1:1 + J 1:1 Triangle = T42 
● The DIGITAL ROOT CYCLE of the Hexagon number sequence itself yields an infinitely repeating cycle 1,7,1,1,7,1,1,7,1 ... to infinity (DIGITAL SUM of J 1:1 = 171 = Ordinal Greek of "In the beginning was the LOGOS")

On your first point, I think I see it, but do you have an illustration of it?

Interestingly, the sum of words 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 of G1.1 is 1387, which is also a hexagon-of-stars. Words 1 and 4 sum to 1314, which can form a crown of stars around the hexagon to form star-of-stars 2701, a perfect Star of David.

The 171 repeating cycle is interesting too and seems to be another instance of self-reference.

I have no issue with any of this and, more importantly, it has given me new ideas for further research. However, just because we can bring digital sums to the party, that doesn’t mean we have to throw out reduced values. I don’t like adding enumeration schemes any more than you do, but the evidence for the inclusion of reduced values seems to me to be unassailable.

Notice how all of this depends on using the digital sum of John 1:1 and completely breaks down if we replace it with the "reduced method". My question to you is this: Why would you want to throw away all these logically converging points (all tied to the semantic/geometric structure of G 1:1/J 1:1) to save the "reduced method"?

As I said I now see the value of digital sums and wouldn’t want to throw them away.

Remember, exchanging your reduced method for the digital sum method doesn't affect your use of it in Hebrew or even your work on English Gematria, since it yields the same results in Hebrew and English (it only yields different results with the Biblical Greek alphabet). Therefore, why not just use the digital sum method? 

I’ll need to get back home before I can give you a more substantial answer. You may be right, Leo. If replacing reduced values with digital sums affects nothing except the Greek system (which I barely use anyway - I’m not sure if I have even one Greek reduced value on my site) then it can be replaced without fuss.

Since you reject reduced values it may be, though, that you have never explored possible connections there, which may be a type of confirmation bias. I would argue that both systems in Greek might be valid. Certainly the reduced value of 3^5 for J1.1 and the sum to a triangular number (and a G-triangle at that) for G1.1 + J1.1 suggests it might be valid. I don’t know though.

Triangle 253 is more connected, certainly, particularly to the related concepts of Logos (373) and B’goli/my word(Gen. 15.1). It connects through the Koch snowflake and antisnowflake functions.

So we have

373 << 2 iterations of Koch Snowflake function << 253 >> 2 iterations of Koch antisnowflake function >> 142

https://www.thesecretcode.co.uk/page_4735952.html

There are a large number of words in Hebrew and Greek that sum to 253, all connected to the concept of verbal communication. Note in the page I link to that 373, 253 and 142 are encoded together in a tight cluster right at the beginning of Genesis in the NIV.

Bill

On the subject of self referencing codes, I find the numerical and geometric interconnections between Jesus and Word impressive. Some of it is found on this page

https://www.thesecretcode.co.uk/page_4735952.html

1. Triangle 253 connects Jesus to Word through fractal geometry. Snowflake 373 and antisnowflake 142 are both naturally created by two iterations of the Koch snowflake and both are connected to Word through Hebrew and Greek gematria.

The sum of 373 and 142 is 515

Jesus (s) = 515

This connection is illustrated in the first 12 words of the NIV, as the page shows. This is a letter-level encoding, which I rarely accept. This is compelling though, especially since 253 appears to be encoded there too.

2. Several other Koch snowflakes and derivatives make the same connection to the Word through the concept of verbal communication, all detailed in the page and elsewhere. Please note that Thess snowflakes were all created by a strict application of the Koch snowflake/antisnowflake functions to pixellated triangles (always G-triangles). The triangular trefoils map onto the internal hexagons in a Star of David.

3. Hexagram 253 (with the same links to verbal communication through gematria) forms a triangle of conjoined hexagrams that sums to 754.
The spurs in the figure sum to 373. The perimeter counters in the figure sum to 211 (Ha Davar/The Word). It also fits into triangle 2701.

So Jesus the Messiah in Hebrew is again linked to the Word.

This is all found on the page I linked to. I haven’t yet added it, but figure 754 and the internal constructions giving 373 and 211 are again found at the beginning of Genesis (NIV) and although they are again letter level codes, they are again pinned to the first word, the first letter in fact..

4. In the NIV these codes are coincident with the encodings of JESUS WORD over the first two 12 word strings, again emanating from the NIV Bible’s first word.

5. If you separate all the odd words from all the even words in the first 24, then sum them, again you obtain 515 (Jesus) and 654 (Word).

6. Then there is snowflake 373 perfectly slotting inside star 925 (Jesus Christ (s)) and itself accommodating snowflake 151 (Jesus Christ (o)), 115 (Yehoshua HaMashiach (o)), 181 (Jesus the Messiah (o)), by connecting the midpoints of the outer ring of hexagrams, and, 205 (Ihsous Christos (o)), by superimposing hexagram 181 on snowflake 151). It’s incredible! I haven’t checked to see if these are also found in the opening words of the NIV, but I will. Postscript: I just checked and they are ALL there!

Again though we have a supreme set of interconnections between Jesus and the Word.

5. At the bottom of the page I showed on how triangular trefoil 232 can be cut from hexagon 397.

The Lord (s) = 397
Yehoshuwa (s) = 397
Davar YHVH/The Word of the Lord (s) = 232

Jesus and the Word again. There is more on the page and elsewhere, but this post is getting too long.

Is this cherry picking? I would strongly argue NO! Why? Because all of these word strings are pinned to the beginning of the NIV. There is little room for cherry picking. It’s the difference between having an entire vast orchard of cherry trees (the entire Bible) but being forced to pick your cherries from the first tree you come across (the first 24 words of the Bible). There shouldn’t be too many cherries on one tree. Yet that first tree is hanging with ripe fruit. I’ve hardly begun to show you the number of codes packed into that one, highly visible location, the most important words in Scripture.

Yes, it involves three languages, but only two systems of enumeration, ordinal values for encoding and standard values for decoding. Note too that as well as purely numerical connections we find references in those NIV encodings to the second iteration Koch snowflakes (373, 142) and the triangle of stars (figure 754) and its internal structure, that I showed on the page, as well as triangle/hexagram 253.:

Finally, the first 24 words (JESUS WORD) encode the reduced values of Ihsous and Word, 24. The digit sum is also 24 here. But again we see Jesus and Word paired. This is the kind of fractal self similarity I’ve been pointing out, akin to the self referencing codes you discuss, or perhaps another version of the same thing.

I mean this just proves what I have said about you all the way, you are a joke.
You claim proof that the reduced method can be replaced by the DS method, and yet the proof you posed also pointed to proof of the reduced!
You can't make this stuff up, hahaha.
You don't even understand how the reduced system works. It's not from 1 to 9, it's the zeroes removed of the standard values!

And I said "that was the first proof". If that is stone hard proof can be debated, I am afraid I need more from you.
Now go willy nilly something up because you got nothing.

And I know you can't handle being wrong, but it is normal. Just breathe and think "I am human, I do mistakes".
It's not the end of the world Leo, you can still save your honor here.
You just have to do a major willy nilly here and get it correct.

Let me show you your problem so that there can be no misunderstanding here because you have a tendancy to misunderstand things, you thought the reduced gematria system was another name of the digital sum and you can't even understand how reduced gematria system works.

1) 12
2) 34
3) 56
4) 78
5) 91
6) 01
7) 11
8) 21
9) 31
10) 41
11) 51
12) 61
13) 71
14) 81
15) 92
16) 02
17) 12
18) 22
19) 32
20) 42
21) 52
22) 62 = "LOGOS" (Ordinal Greek)

Now here are the natural numbers written out with their digits grouped in sets of three:

1) 123
2) 456
3) 789
4) 101
5) 112
6) 131
7) 415
8) 161
9) 718
10) 192
11) 021
12) 222
13) 324
14) 252
15) 627
16) 282
17) 930
18) 313
19) 233
20) 343
21) 536
22) 373 = "LOGOS" (Standard Greek) = The Logos Star, which pairs with the DS Triangle of G 1:1 + J 1:1 (T22)

Finally, here are the natural numbers written out with their digits grouped in sets of four:

1) 1234
2) 5678
3) 9101
4) 1121
5) 3141
6) 5161
7) 7181
8) 9202
9) 1222
10) 3242
11) 5262
12) 7282
13) 9303
14) 1323
15) 3343
16) 5363
17) 7383
18) 9404
19) 1424
20) 3444
21) 5464
22) 7484 = T22 + T42 + T112

I colored the proof of the reduced system here in red.
42 & 112 are ordered at 20 & 5 here. 20+5 = 25.
25 = Triangular order of reduced Gen 1:1 & John 1:1
42 = Triangular order of ordinal Gen 1.1 & John 1:1
112 = Triangular order of standard Gen 1:! & John 1:1

Well done! You gave us proof of nothing here.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RJD32VS8MLI

Hi Bill, 

Regarding the 22nd hexagon uniting the digital sum triangle of G 1:1 + J 1:1 with the ordinal sum triangle of G 1:1 + J 1:1, I published this hexagon/square union in the OEIS : https://oeis.org/A014105/a014105.jpg

The nth square pairs with the nth triangle, since square n = T(n) + T(n - 1) 

Therefore, the 22nd hexagon = 22^2 + T42 and 22^2 itself accommodates T22 (forming a geometric union between the digital and ordinal sums of G 1:1 + J 1:1 within the 22nd hexagon). 

As we saw, T22 = The digital sum of G 1:1 + J 1:1 = The triangle that pairs with Logos Star 373 and "In the beginning was the LOGOS" (ordinal Greek) = 171 = The infinite digital cycle within the hexagon number sequence. 

There's also this: 

● The DIGITAL ROOT CYCLE of the hexagon numbers = 1,7,1 to infinity 
● The TERMINATING DIGIT CYCLE of the hexagram numbers (i.e. the last digits of each hexagram number) = 1,3,7,3,1 to infinity 


2368 created the universe, 

Leo

Alex, 

I showed a logically consistent pattern uniting the Standard/Ordinal values of LOGOS with the Standard/Ordinal/Digital sum of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 = T112, T42 and T22. You somehow think all the converging lines of evidence I showed (tied to the semantic/geometric structure of G 1:1/J 1:1) is almost nothing, but then turn around and attempt to willy nilly take two numbers from two of my lists, add them together, and then act like it points to the 25th Triangle. 

Talk about forcing a pattern. Can you say DESPERATE?

I think the real reason you refuse to let go of the reduced method is because you have it splattered all over your site (which is barely comprehensible btw). Again, if you can't validate the use of the reduced method in Biblical Greek in the same way that I can validate the digital sum method in Biblical Greek, then there's no reason to use it. 


2368 is God, 

Leo

I should probably mention that there is also a connection between the numbers 22 and 42 in the Jewish Talmud that is tied to the hidden NAME of God: 

"The 42-letter Name is entrusted only to one who is modest, humble, middle-aged, free from anger, sober, and not insistent on his rights" (Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 71a) 

I'm not saying the Talmud is divinely inspired. I'm simply looking at it historically as a work of antiquity with some valuable historical information (the same way we would with the Apocrypha or the works of Josephus) and noting the following possible connection to the 22/42/112 pattern: 

1) There was an ancient Jewish tradition of a hidden NAME of God consisting of 42 Hebrew letters (with Hebrew itself having 22 letters) 
2) The main Hebrew title or name of God in the OT = "Yahweh Elohim", which has a Standard Hebrew value of 112 (giving us the 22/42/112 pattern, all tied to the NAME of God) 
3) This has nothing to do with the later development of Kabbalah because the Babylonian Talmud PREDATES Kabbalah 

It's also interesting that the New Testament itself opens with the 42 generations of Jesus Christ. 


2368 is God, 

Leo