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Silence
12-26-2008, 12:36 PM
I have been wondering if anyone has insight they would like to share on the events described in Genesis 38. Nearly every commentary I have read or heard has pointed out the fact that this chapter is a strange insertion into the narrative about Joseph. I believe it was put where it is because it is a prophetic type. When I was a young Christian and first began to meditate on the scriptures I noticed that verse 1 connects Judah leaving his brothers with their selling off of Joseph in chapter 37. Joseph typifies Jesus as Redeemer and Savior, Judah typifies Him as Ruler. If you are not redeemed by Him, you cannot rule rightly. It is interesting that when Judah leaves his brothers, he takes a Gentile wife. She is the daughter of a man whose name means "to cry for help or freedom from some trouble". Three sons are born to this couple. Er, Onan, and Shelah. Their names are interesting, as is the name of the woman that Judah gets for his eldest son as a wife. Her name is Tamar, which means "a palm tree (in the sense that a palm tree is 'upright').

So the Ruler (Judah) tries to marry his eldest son Er to "uprightness" and he fails. Er means "watchful" and it could be that Er's failure is related to his failure to be watchful. How many times did Paul warn the early church to be on watch for false teachers? Could there be a connection?

Then Judah has his second son, Onan, take Tamar as wife. Onan means "strong". Onan did not want to use his strength to raise up an heir to his brother so he wasted his seed on the ground (the earth). To me this seems prophetic of the majority of the church from Constantine on. There was a preoccupation with earthly things and earthly power.

The birth of Judah's third son has a bit of information tied to it that makes me wonder if Shelah is really Judah's son. Verse 5 says "He was at Chezib when she bore him." Why is this information given? Chezib means "falsehood". Could it be that Judah went to Chezib as a testimony against an unfaithful wife? Was it Judah who was being false and would later refuse to give Tamar to his third son? I think there may be a clue in the meaning of his name. Shelah means "request". When his first two sons died being married to Tamar, Judah did not want to take a chance on losing his third so he made an excuse saying that Shelah was not full grown. Maybe Judah would have given Tamar to Shelah later on if he had lived up to his name and "requested" that Tamar (uprightness) be given to him? Maybe Shelah was not really Judah's son and hence he had no desire for "uprightness"?

In this whole story, the only one able to produce offspring through Tamar is Judah himself, but this is only because Tamar changes her appearance to look like a harlot. It is a strange tale but it seems to be very significant that their union produces twins. Their births are surrounded with details that could be prophetic of Israel and the church. That is how I see it anyway. Zerah puts out his hand which is marked with a red string to denote him being the firstborn, but he draws it back in. Then Perez breaks forth unexpectedly. His name means "a breach". After he was born Zerah came out. His name means "a rising of light, to shoot forth" but he was not named when he put his hand out, but after he is fully born. The church began with the Jews, and for a while there was always a great amount of debate over whether Jesus was the Messiah or not. They were not hardened into the stance they took later on. It seemed like it could go either way. While they wavered and debated, the Gentiles began to get saved and I think it is safe to say that no one expected this to happen. At least not in the way it did. Once Perez is born, Zerah finally comes out and recieves his name which implies something dramatic, swift, and far reaching. Coming from a futurist background, this account has many prophetic implications for me, but I was wondering about how other viewpoints see the themes found in this chapter.

gregoryfl
12-26-2008, 02:22 PM
I will have a prayerful looksee over that chapter and post what I am able to see there. Thanks for sharing some nice insights to get us started.:yo:

Ron

Victor
12-27-2008, 01:44 PM
I have been wondering if anyone has insight they would like to share on the events described in Genesis 38. Nearly every commentary I have read or heard has pointed out the fact that this chapter is a strange insertion into the narrative about Joseph.

It doesn't seem so strange. There is a lot of parallel thoughts within the Joseph narrative (Genesis 37-50) that reflects specifically on Genesis 38.

For example, consider the parallelism between Genesis 38 and 39: Tamar seduces Judah just as Potiphar's wife tries to seduce Joseph. Tamar keeps Judah's signet, bracelets and staff as evidence to use later. Potiphar's wife keeps Joseph's garment as evidence to use later.

The parellelism continues: in chapter 40, Joseph interprets two dreams of prison mates. In chapter 41, he interprets two dreams of the Pharaoh.

So Genesis 38 seems to fit well in the larger unit - Joseph's cycle.

Victor

Bob May
12-27-2008, 02:19 PM
Hi Silence,
A few things I've noticed.
Jesus had to come from the tribe of Judah.
Judah said Tamar was more righteous than him.
Judah means praise.

In the line of Jesus (usually) the blessing goes to the second born (which is counter-intuitive to what is usually expected in that culture.)

In this case, it goes to the firstborn, Pharez, but the other, Zerah, must actually be the firstborn in God's opinion being that his arm came out. (as You mentioned.)

Twins are "forks in the road" of our lives where we have to make decisions as to what to believe. This led to Jesus and God doesn't make mistakes.

The mentality leading to the mind of Christ must contain a union of Praise and whatever Tamar means (righteousness, possibly?)
The outcome is a "Breach."
Could mean a breaktrough or revelation of somekind. Possibly concerning the spirit vs. the letter of the Law. (though there was no Law at the time)

Tamar saw what needed to be done. Judah did not, he had to be "tricked into it.

Silence
12-28-2008, 05:47 PM
Hello Victor and Bob,
Thank you for your responses. They both contain things that I had not noticed. There is still a lot I do not understand but it helps to have a bigger frame of reference. I don't know if bible codes are something you are interested in, but Chuck Missler said that David's genealogy is encoded in Genesis 38, I believe it is at a 40 or 48 letter skip.

gregoryfl
12-28-2008, 06:16 PM
Hey guys,

It's good to see some more insights on Gen 37, both showing the parallelisms, as Victor brought out, as well as application for now, as Bob shared.

One small thing that jumped out at me was that, after all was said and done, Judah tried to do things his way, and having failed at that, Tamar children served up a lesson for him, born in a way he did not expect, apart from what he would have wanted.

Ron

duxrow
09-25-2014, 10:21 AM
Hey guys,
It's good to see some more insights on Gen 37, both showing the parallelisms, as Victor brought out, as well as application for now, as Bob shared.
One small thing that jumped out at me was that, after all was said and done, Judah tried to do things his way, and having failed at that, Tamar children served up a lesson for him, born in a way he did not expect, apart from what he would have wanted.
Ron
Hi SILENCE, The Sadducee's pick up on this story by posing the hypothetical question to Jesus about the seven brothers having the same wife. Mt22:25.Jesus didn't refer to the account of Judah and Tamar, but told them "You do greatly err because you know not the scriptures". Mk12:24.

http://cswnet.com/~duxrow/webdoc52.htm (Better late than never?):winking0071: