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Rose
06-26-2007, 02:01 PM
As I was reading the gospels trying to take a fresh look at the time lines of the
week of the passion of Christ and trying to figure out for myself the days on which specific events took place, I noticed a discrepancy in the time of the Anointing of Jesus by the woman with the flask of expensive oil. At first glance I automatically assumed that these were three accounts of the same event by the Gospel writers Matthew, Mark and John and only the time period in which they occurred got mixed up. Upon further study more and more differences popped up and in my opinion outweighed the similarities, so before I researched other ideas on this matter, I decided to work up a time line following my own intuitions. The conclusion I came to surprised me since it was quite different from my first impression.

First I took an event common to all the Gospels that I could be sure happened on the same day. That event was the triumphal entrance into Jerusalem by Jesus on the donkey, what Christians call ' Palm Sunday '. All the Gospels record this significant event, the problem comes in with the placement of that event falling after the Anointing of Jesus in John 12,and before the Anointing of Jesus in Matthew 26 and Mark 14.

The Gospel of John begins in chapter 12, six days before Passover with Jesus coming to Bethany where Lazarus is. It says they made Him a supper and Martha served who was Lazarus’s sister, while Lazarus sat at the table with Jesus, Mary who is Martha and Lazarus’s sister took a pound of very costly oil of spikenard and anoints the feet of Jesus, then wipes His feet with her hair, and the house is filled with its fragrance. Judas Iscariot the disciple who would betray Jesus, complains that the costly oil worth about 300 denarii should have been sold and the money given to the poor. The story goes on to say Judas Iscariot was a thief who had control of the money box, and would take the money from it. Jesus told him to let her alone for she has anointed Him for the day of His burial.
The following day which would be 5 days before the Passover, the triumphal entrance of Jesus on the donkey into Jerusalem takes place.

Now going to the account given in Matthew 26 and Mark 14, which are almost identical to each other, we find the event of the Anointing of Jesus taking place 2 days before the Passover, with Jesus being in Bethany at the house of Simon the leper. The chief priests and scribes were plotting to take Jesus by trickery at the palace of the high priest Caiaphas. They decided against it because it was the time of the feast. When Jesus was at the house of Simon the leper a woman who is unnamed in both accounts goes to Jesus with a flask of very costly oil. She breaks the flask and pours the oil over Jesus’s head. The disciples who were with Jesus become very indignant, saying it was a waste of oil that could have been sold for 300 denarii and given to the poor, they criticize her sharply but Jesus said for them to let her alone, she is anointing Me for My burial, the poor you always have with you.

In John’s account the next day is Jesus’s triumphal entrance into Jerusalem, whereas in Matthew and Mark that event happens prior to the anointing. In Matthew it happens in chapter 21 and in Mark it happens in chapter 11, clearly there is a problem between the time of John’s account of the Anointing, and Matthew and Mark’s account.

One way of dealing with the problem is to say that both Matthew and Marks account were added to the text at a latter time, but then you also have the problem of both Matthew and Mark being identical accounts so one of them had to have been copied from the other and since the standard belief is that Mark was written before Matthew then he must have copied from Mark and on it goes.

So like I mentioned earlier, my approach is to take a common event upon which everyone agrees and go from there. I’m taking the triumphal entrance of Jesus as the common event upon which we can place a date, and then supposing the anointing in John’s Gospel and the anointing in Matthew and Marks Gospel are two separate events, try to obtain a harmony amongst them.

I’ll start with John’s account since it occurred 6 days before the Passover and work my way to Matthew and Marks account which is 2 days before the Passover, with the triumphal entrance of Jesus between the two. In John’s account the day after Jesus was anointed by Mary, He rode a donkey into Jerusalem; whereas in the Gospels of Matthew and Mark they retell the triumphal entrance of Jesus taking place before the anointing.

In Mark 11 as in Matthew 21 and Luke 19 it states that Jesus drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethpage and Bethany at the Mount of Olives before His triumphal entrance; also Luke 19:29 tells us that Bethany is at the Mount of Olives.

So my conclusion is that at the point when Jesus is at Bethany prior to His triumphal entrance, is when the account of the Anointing in John’s Gospel takes place. It puts Jesus in the right place at the right time and harmonizes with the other Gospel accounts of the triumphal entrance, which is followed by the second occurrence of Jesus being anointed in Matthew and Mark. This time its in the house of Simon the leper with the unnamed woman anointing His head, with some of the disciples becoming indignant with the waste of expensive oil. Even though many things are the same in both accounts, major points like the time and whose house Jesus is at are harmonized instead of clashing in this layout of there being two anointings instead of one. So far I have not been able to find a better explanation that addressed and resolved the discrepancies in the time and place of the Anointings.

I would like to know if anyone else has any ideas on this matter. :)

I tried doing some internet research on it, but none of the answers given seemed to resolve the problem for me. :(

I will be eagerly waiting by my " post " box :D

Rose

Abigail
06-29-2007, 02:35 AM
Yes Rose, I think you are right. It does seem better with two annointings:

and if you read Jesus' words in John he says 'Let her alone in order that she may keep it for the day of my burial' and then his words in Matthew 'when she poured this perfume upon my body she did it to prepare me for burial' and in Mark 'she has annointed my body beforehand for the burial' there seems to be a shift in the imminece of the burial event ...possibly the triumphantal entry was the time when Jesus shifted from 'keep it for the day of my burial' to the day of my burial is upon us even now

joel
06-29-2007, 06:44 AM
Rose, I agree with you that John 12 depicts one event, and Matt. 26, and Mark 14 depict a separate event. I especially like your observation that the triumphant entry into Jerusalem falls between the two events.

Do you have any views as to what these two separate events may symbolize?

Some of the separate items within each account may be representative of hidden spiritual truth. For example, in the first account (John 12), there is specific reference to Lazarus. And, Lazarus is reclining at the table.
In the John account, Mary annoints His feet, and then wipes them with her hair. Also, it is Judas who protests. Then, when Jesus responds to the protest, His words are different from the other two accounts of the second annointing.

Lazarus is not mentioned in the Matthew and Mark accounts. It is Simon the leper. And, the woman, whom you pointed out goes unnamed, pours the oil on His head.

Could these events be symbolic in such a manner that we can see some differences in His visitations to earth?

Thanks for helping us give this thought.

Joel

shalag
06-29-2007, 08:55 AM
:confused: Just a different way of looking at what you are presenting here - to bring a unity to these verses.


John 12 depicts one event, and Matt. 26, and Mark 14 depict a separate event.

John (43) 12 = 55/ spoke 11 - hand
Matthew (40) 26 = 66 / spoke 22 - cross
Mark (41) 14 = 55 / spoke 11 - hand

55 + All, Everything + Consummation, End + Bride, Spouse + Walk + By the hand of Moses (Ord) + The Light (acc) (Ord) + The Statutes (Ord) + Day of the LORD (Ord) + Move, Slip + Thief, Steal

66 + Galgal (Wheel) + The Lord (HaAdon) + the LORD is his name. (Ord) + Unite my heart! + Son of David + Of the Lord + Thy God + Gematria (Ord) + Winding Stair + Tried (Ord) + Unite my heart! + In thy blood + Fine Linen

55 is a consummation
66 is a consummation

11 is suppressing evil
22 is suppressing evil

Rose
06-29-2007, 03:39 PM
Thanks, Abigail,Joel and Shalag :flowers:

For the great insights!

Its very interesting when you start breaking it down into pieces. For instance John is the only gospel that records the resurrection of Lazarus, it occurs in the chapter 11, right before the anointing that takes place at Martha and Marys house, with Lazarus reclining at the table.

looking forward to more of your thoughts :)

Rose

joel
06-29-2007, 04:26 PM
Rose, here are some more thoughts to your most excellent thread;

In the John account, Mary washes the Master's feet, and then wipes them with her hair. To me, this is symbolic of the fact that Jesus was bringing the gospel of peace. "Blessed are the feet of him who brings the gospel of peace..." This occured six days before the Passover, which may be symbolic of all of the time given to mankind prior to the coming of Christ in the flesh Who will bring the "good news".

In Him, all of the previous "word" is brought to completion. He is the "Word".

The word is planted into the earth (the hearts of humanity), and like Lazarus, must be put into the tomb and be resurrected. But, any resurrection prior to the resurrection of Christ, the one raised cannot be raised with a new body, until He (the Word of God) is planted into the earth, and subsequently raised.

In the other accounts (Matthew and Mark), Simon the Leper is featured who may represent all of humanity, the leprosy representing the sin of us all. The annointing is upon the head, which is symbolic of being placed into service. The woman who not named, represents all of humanity who are being drawn to His sacrifice. Her act is representative of the essence of the gospel, pouring out the soul in service to God which our Lord did for us all. Jesus is the Christ, the annointed One.

Joel

Rose
06-29-2007, 08:38 PM
Good insights Joel :thumb:

In the John account, Mary washes the Master's feet, and then wipes them with her hair. To me, this is symbolic of the fact that Jesus was bringing the gospel of peace. "Blessed are the feet of him who brings the gospel of peace..." This occured six days before the Passover, which may be symbolic of all of the time given to mankind prior to the coming of Christ in the flesh Who will bring the "good news".
I really like the connection with the 6 days (six being the number of man) before the passover, and Mary washing the Master feet; with the sharing of the Gospel of Peace, "the Good News".

When God chooses to give us specific numbers for times, its usually for a reason.

Jesus brought the "Good News" for man (6) to spread (6 days we work) to the world.

Another interesting point you brought out is the one account of the unnamed woman anointing Jesus's head, and Mary anointing His feet in the other account. That was one of the first things that made me feel that these were two separate events.

I think we have many more treasures to find here. :D

Rose

alec cotton
03-11-2008, 11:40 AM
Could it be that you are misunderstanding the words of John. If you look at it this way; A week before the passover ,Jesus entered Bethany and during that week he was invited to dinner ,then it makes sense. He was invited by Simon the Pharisee who must have been seriously wealthy,because he invited Jesus,His twelve apostles and Lazarus. Now to me it is inconceivable that he would invite these fourteen and not invite at least an equal number of his family or friends. That needs a big house. Now Simon was known as Simon the leper. It was strictly against the law for a leper to associate with people. Even kings were not an exception to this rule. I can only assume that Simon had contracted leprosy and that Jesus had healed him.
Alec

Rose
03-11-2008, 01:56 PM
Could it be that you are misunderstanding the words of John. If you look at it this way; A week before the passover ,Jesus entered Bethany and during that week he was invited to dinner ,then it makes sense. He was invited by Simon the Pharisee who must have been seriously wealthy,because he invited Jesus,His twelve apostles and Lazarus. Now to me it is inconceivable that he would invite these fourteen and not invite at least an equal number of his family or friends. That needs a big house. Now Simon was known as Simon the leper. It was strictly against the law for a leper to associate with people. Even kings were not an exception to this rule. I can only assume that Simon had contracted leprosy and that Jesus had healed him.
Alec
Hello Alec Cotton, :yo:

Thanks for your ideas.

One of the main points that led me to look at the possibility of there being two separate anointings, is the fact that in Johns account of the anointing (John 12) it takes place the day before the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem on the donkey.

The accounts of the anointing in Matt. 26 and Mark 14 place it after the triumphal entry into Jerusalem.....so what we have is the momentous event of Jesus entering through the gate into Jerusalem, on the donkey dividing the two different accounts of the anointing of Jesus. There are also other differences, like in one account His head was anointed by an unnamed woman, and in the other account Mary anointed His feet and wiped them with her hair. Also in one account the house was Simon the leper's , and in the other it was where Mary, Martha, and Lazarus were with Martha doing the serving (which probably means it was her house).

There are also similarities that make it seem like the same account, so I had to weigh both the differences and the similarities and try and figure out was it one account of the anointing told differently, or two separate anointings? The evidence IMO points to two separate accounts.

Rose

alec cotton
03-14-2008, 01:56 PM
Hello Rose
thank you for your response . I thank God for you . Will you join me in thanking God for Richard. For about forty years I searched for help with Gemartria . Richard has given it to the world on a plate and so much more . It's a bit late for me now because I am old and have a sick wife to care for and little time. Still it gives me great joy to know that there are many people out there willing to live in the kingdom of righteousness. God bless you.
Alec

Rose
03-15-2008, 04:59 PM
Hi Alec :yo:

Thank you for your kind words :D

I am truly thankful that Richard's work has been a blessing to you, and I will join you in thanking God for his continued faithfulness to God's work :pray:

God bless you

Rose