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duxrow
08-27-2014, 05:50 AM
:ranger: "New" used 150 times in 131 verses of KJV - New Song, New Wine, New Name, New Creature..

Isa65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Jer31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Ezek18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Lk22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Jer31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

NEW LEAVEN not spoken of, but implied.. same as 'hidden leaven' MT13:33

NEW DECREE not spoken of, but implied: Esther1:20 And when the king's decree which he shall make shall be published throughout all his empire, (for it is great,) all the wives shall give to their husbands honour, both to great and small.

sylvius
08-28-2014, 12:09 AM
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/there_is_nothing_new_under_the_sun




Latin nihil sub sole novum, from the Hebrew אֵין כָּל חָדָשׁ תַּחַת הַשָּׁמֶשׁ (en kol chadásh táchat hashámesh, “there is nothing new under the sun”), from Ecclesiastes 1:9.

There is nothing new under the sun.

There is nothing truly novel in existence. Every new idea has some sort of precedent or echo from the past.





http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16462#showrashi=true

Kohelet - Ecclesiastes - Chapter 1


9 What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun

Rashi:


What has been is what will be, etc.: In whatever he learns, in a matter that is an exchange for the sun, there is nothing new. He will see only that which already was, which was created in the six days of Creation. But one who meditates on the Torah constantly finds new insights therein, as it is stated (Prov. 5:19): “her breasts will satisfy you at all times.” Just as this breast, whenever the infant feels it, he finds a taste in it, so are the words of Torah (Er. 54b), and so we find in Tractate Hagigah, that Rabbi Eliezer ben Hyrcanus said things that the ear had never heard, concerning the account of the Celestial Chariot.

duxrow
08-28-2014, 04:37 AM
:yo: Good point, Sylvie, but as long as New Generations keep coming, many things will be NEW to each one and First Time for all. When Scripture was written we hadn't yet developed air-conditioning, or flying or typewriters.. eh?

sylvius
08-28-2014, 06:02 AM
:yo: Good point, Sylvie, but as long as New Generations keep coming, many things will be NEW to each one and First Time for all. When Scripture was written we hadn't yet developed air-conditioning, or flying or typewriters.. eh?
But language and alphabet.

duxrow
08-28-2014, 07:22 AM
But language and alphabet. :doh: Yeah, Sure, Sylvie, and add to that: culture, habitat, customs, etc. But WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

sylvius
08-28-2014, 07:45 AM
:doh: Yeah, Sure, Sylvie, and add to that: culture, habitat, customs, etc. But WHAT'S YOUR POINT?


"air-conditioning, or flying or typewriters" don't exist outside the word.

duxrow
08-28-2014, 07:57 AM
"air-conditioning, or flying or typewriters" don't exist outside the word.
Sylvie, seems like those things became NEW at some point in time.. but the Bible New Meat refers, IMO, to learning more about the WORD than what was given to the apostles during those ~3 years. :chores037:

sylvius
08-29-2014, 07:12 AM
ALL newness seems to be related to the moon, to its growing and diminishing and disappearing and reappearing in the eveningsky, at least so in Hebrew language.

New = "chadash" - '"chodesh" = (moon)month.

'The first commandment" to be found in Exodus 12:2,

This month shall be to you the head of the months; to you it shall be the first of the months of the year.
Rashi:


Heb. הַחֹדֶשׁ הַזֶה, lit., this renewal. He [God] showed him [Moses] the moon in its renewal and said to him, “When the moon renews itself, you will have a new month” (Mechilta).

(...) Moses found difficulty [determining] the [precise moment of the] renewal of the moon, in what size it should appear before it is fit for sanctification. So He showed him with His finger the moon in the sky and said to him, “You must see a moon like this and sanctify [the month]

'"He showed him with His finger" "--- digital ?

sylvius
08-29-2014, 09:32 AM
Sun and moon are said to at first be made equal, and that the moon came to protest; the moon wanted to be the greater light with the sun as the lesser light; that's why, as kind of punishment, the moon had to decline and disappear; so the reappearance of the moon can be seen as kind of mercy.

Is that why New Testament? And are the three days of Jesus in the grave like the three days in a month that the moon is not visible?


Rashi on Genesis 1:16


the two great luminaries: They were created equal, but the moon was made smaller because it brought charges and said, “It is impossible for two kings to use the same crown.” - [from Chullin 60b] Rashi (ad loc.) explains that this derash is based on the discrepancy of the two expressions, “the two great luminaries,” which intimates that the moon was a great luminary, and“the lesser luminary,” which intimates that the moon was smaller than the sun. To reconcile this difference, the Rabbis asserted that the moon was originally created equal to the sun, but, because of its complaint that the sun wielded the same power that it wielded, it was forced to relinquish that power.

duxrow
08-29-2014, 10:48 AM
Sun and moon are said to at first be made equal, and that the moon came to protest; the moon wanted to be the greater light with the sun as the lesser light; that's why, as kind of punishment, the moon had to decline and disappear; so the reappearance of the moon can be seen as kind of mercy.

Is that why New Testament? And are the three days of Jesus in the grave like the three days in a month that the moon is not visible?


Rashi on Genesis 1:16"Dark Ages" was thousand years from 500-1500 A.D. or from Islam to Columbus [Shakespeare and KJV publish too]

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. (Comment from Rashi?)

Different from the "Light Be" of verse 3, the verse 16 light of SUN is greater, but Same Light is reflected from the moon, so you may gaze at hearts content. Nothing about them arguing who was greater, likely resulting in Myth story, IMHO. :winking0071: