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RubyPeragickqlin
08-31-2013, 03:53 PM
an interesting critique from God's Kingdom ministries...............





Updates and watch dates


Aug 31, 2013

I have posted many times the speeches of General Wesley Clark, who testifies in public that the plan to cause trouble in middle eastern countries was made official policy in the Pentagon in September of 2001.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJUnG3Z6WI

That was twelve years ago, and we have now seen the fruit of this policy. Egypt and Syria are in chaos, revolution, and civil war, with America backing the Muslim Brotherhood. We also overthrew Libya as the plan took shape.

Worse, the American public was led to believe that these were spontaneous "protests" of people seeking "democracy," when in fact they were instigated by our own covert government agencies. And then when Russia stood its ground opposing this war-time American policy against the Syrian government, we are now talking about going to war against Syria.

I have no doubt that America has already been supplying weapons to the Syrian rebels--if not directly, then through Qatar. Then when people are killed or displaced, the news agencies interview people who dutifully assume that the Syrian government is at fault for defending itself. These talking heads act as if America has played no role at all in fomenting these MIddle Eastern wars.

Have they not heard General Wesley Clark? Yes, of course they have. But they choose to continue the charade and hiding the truth from the public.

Glenn Beck is also pretty upset by this. He put together a 3:43 minute video showing the Syrian rebel leader who was proudly cutting open the chest of a dead Syrian soldier and eating his liver and heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfHSPLW63Gg

This is an obvious war crime, and any government who supports such people are equally guilty. It bothers me, because our government represents us, whether we like it or not. If we do not register some kind of protest, we are all implicated by it. When divine judgment hits a nation, it is usually the people on the street who are affected. We call them "innocent people," but legally speaking, no one is innocent of crimes done in their name, unless they take steps to disavow it in some way.

Polls show that the American people overwhelmingly reject American involvement in the Syrian crisis, not knowing that we were the prime instigators of it. If we were a "democratic" country, the US government would bow to the will of the people. But we are not. Democracy is only relevant when the people agree with the government. If not, then they claim the right to "do what is right" in spite of the people. Such men are then called "statesmen," a fancy name for someone today who refuses to represent the will of the people.

Richard Amiel McGough
08-31-2013, 04:24 PM
I agree that we should avoid getting involved in the Syrian conflict, mostly because I have no idea of the truth of what is really going on over there. I don't know if the rebels or Assad used the chemical weapons to kill civilians.

But citing a source that cites uber-wackjob tinfoil hat wearing Glenn Beck? Give me a break! I did watch his video of the soldier cannibalizing his enemy but I have no way to know if it was staged or not.

Truth is the first casualty of war.

RubyPeragickqlin
09-01-2013, 01:22 AM
we should be reminded that.....
Truth and Justice, over rule every other moral

the General made a statement that a 'coup' had taken place, with an agenda, so
the proof of this 'agenda'' is........... if it did or didn't come to pass.
has it come to pass?




yes/no/maybe?

Richard Amiel McGough
09-01-2013, 08:43 AM
we should be reminded that.....
Truth and Justice, over rule every other moral

the General made a statement that a 'coup' had taken place, with an agenda, so
the proof of this 'agenda'' is........... if it did or didn't come to pass.
has it come to pass?




yes/no/maybe?
Which general made that comment where?

I don't have any way to know what is really going on over there in Syria.

As for your bold assertion - Truth and Justice, over rule every other moral - I agree completely. That is why I have concluded that the god of the Bible cannot be the true God. Anyone with the slightest intelligence can see that he violates truth and justice all over the place. His judgments are often absurd and unjust, as when he inflicted a three year famine on all Israel (causing how much suffering to his own people?) for the "sins" of the former king Saul! And then he lifted it only after they murdered some of Saul's descendents, in direct violation of the principle that the children should not suffer for their father's sins. Doh!

RubyPeragickqlin
09-01-2013, 12:08 PM
the law of sin and death, has its own reward - one of sowing and reaping, it is a law like gravity -

So, how strange that the clay should shout back to the potter as you do.

Who are you to tell the Potter anything, mere man? -......

why have such a hissy fit, when you are doomed to die from your own personal sowing and reaping - infact your utter distain for the creator is frankly insanity and carnal minded mere man....like a small child having a tantrum cuz his father wont let him have what HE WANTS......well done.

mere man, who said your opinion is even worthy to consider?

Rose
09-01-2013, 01:37 PM
the law of sin and death, has its own reward - one of sowing and reaping, it is a law like gravity -

So, how strange that the clay should shout back to the potter as you do.

Who are you to tell the Potter anything, mere man? -......

why have such a hissy fit, when you are doomed to die from your own personal sowing and reaping - infact your utter distain for the creator is frankly insanity and carnal minded mere man....like a small child having a tantrum cuz his father wont let him have what HE WANTS......well done.

mere man, who said your opinion is even worthy to consider?

Don't you know who the true potter is? Evolution of course! All of life has been shaped and formed by Evolution over time, through mutation and natural selection. There is no deity in the sky who is designing, forming, and shaping life and the universe ... it's all a process of chemical reactions.

The ability of our large human brains to use reason, has allowed us to look at the ramblings of the ancient men who wrote the Bible and see all the flaws in the deity they created. I don't understand how anyone in this modern day and age can believe that 6,000 years ago the Biblegod (who you call the potter) created the universe and formed the first man and woman out of a lump of clay ... it's absolutely unbelievable!

The logic and reason of the scientific method allows you to be able to preach your craziness here on a forum that instantly goes to people all over the world. Why didn't god think of that in the first century, when Jesus told his disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world? He wouldn't have had to wait 2,000 years for people to invent the Internet. :lol:

RubyPeragickqlin
09-01-2013, 01:53 PM
rubbish....
btw


rose if you were true to yourself, why have a scripture in your signature,:lol:


update..............

Rose, so as a chemical reaction yourself - why DO YOU PLACE SCRIPTURES as some ''witness'' to your belief.
if you don't belief the scriptures why have them as a personal witness to your belief.


Rose you are such an utter FAKE = AND also UNTRUE to your own insane convictions.
perhaps your ''chemical reactions'' need RE ARRANGING to stop your rather useless life as a chemical re action.:lol:

Rose
09-01-2013, 02:35 PM
rubbish....
btw


rose if you were true to yourself, why have a scripture in your signature,:lol:


update..............

Rose, so as a chemical reaction yourself - why DO YOU PLACE SCRIPTURES as some ''witness'' to your belief.
if you don't belief the scriptures why have them as a personal witness to your belief.


Rose you are such an utter FAKE = AND also UNTRUE to your own insane convictions.
perhaps your ''chemical reactions'' need RE ARRANGING to stop your rather useless life as a chemical re action.:lol:

The Bible, as a book written by humans contains words of wisdom in it such as, "come let us reason together" ... reason is the key word that makes humans able to understand and figure out the world around us.

Problems arise when people take a fallible book and believe it is the infallible word of god. Scriptures contain many truths that can be discerned by using reason, after all it was written by humans who had brains like we do. :winking0071:

Sorry, your insults are a reflection of your nature instead of mine. All my chemical reactions are in harmony with each other, so I don't consider myself a horrible sinner who needs a god to save me. :D

RubyPeragickqlin
09-01-2013, 03:13 PM
The Bible, as a book written by humans contains words of wisdom in it such as, "come let us reason together" ... reason is the key word that makes humans able to understand and figure out the world around us.

Problems arise when people take a fallible book and believe it is the infallible word of god. Scriptures contain many truths that can be discerned by using reason, after all it was written by humans who had brains like we do. :winking0071:

Sorry, your insults are a reflection of your nature instead of mine. All my chemical reactions are in harmony with each other, so I don't consider myself a horrible sinner who needs a god to save me. :D

well Rose, no one can ever INSULT a ''chemical reaction'' so now rather than being A ''chemical reaction'' suddenly you have become A ''human'' and able to be insulted. you seem to have an identity crisis
is it hormonal?
and I do hope its not catching.

BTW
INSULTS are only in the eye of the beholder, infact I was telling you the truth - you are a fake plus insulting to the Holy Spirit. I do admit, I am not one to let others INSULT the works of the cross, the redeemer, nor of His holy spirit without an objection.

I now register my OBJECTION

ALSO Your reply cannot hold water, why? there are 2 witnesses against you.............
Not only do you now inform us that the bible is a book of wisdom humans can understand, i,e. ''let us reason together'' so why QUOTE your other signature scripture when all you want to prove is the bible is rubbish, God's word is of No account and you know everything about it all anyways,

its obvious in your eyes'' its a ROSE WORLD, where only Roses opinion counts''........ so goodbye Mrs chemical reaction, but almost human Rose, and good luck with the Potter.

Rose
09-01-2013, 03:51 PM
well Rose, no one can ever INSULT a ''chemical reaction'' so now rather than being A ''chemical reaction'' suddenly you have become A ''human'' and able to be insulted. you seem to have an identity crisis
is it hormonal?
and I do hope its not catching.

Well Ruby, if you didn't know - humans are just a complex set of chemical reactions. Our human existence starts with an egg cell that is smaller than the point of a pin, then through a complex series of chemical reactions that starts when the sperm fertilizes the egg a human embryo begins. Nothing else is going on in that human egg cell but chemical reactions, just like every other organisms egg cell.


BTW
INSULTS are only in the eye of the beholder, infact I was telling you the truth - you are a fake plus insulting to the Holy Spirit. I do admit, I am not one to let others INSULT the works of the cross, the redeemer, nor of His holy spirit without an objection.

It's hard to insult something that does not exist. :p


I now register my OBJECTION
ALSO Your reply cannot hold water, why? there are 2 witnesses against you.............
Not only do you now inform us that the bible is a book of wisdom humans can understand, i,e. ''let us reason together'' so why QUOTE your other signature scripture when all you want to prove is the bible is rubbish, God's word is of No account and you know everything about it all anyways,

its obvious in your eyes'' its a ROSE WORLD, where only Roses opinion counts''........ so goodbye Mrs chemical reaction, but almost human Rose, and good luck with the Potter.

I never said the Bible was rubbish, what I said and want to show is that the Bible IS NOT the word of god. The Bible is a lot of things: it has great historical value, and it has wisdom about human nature ... what it does not have is truth about how the universe was formed, the evolution of life, and the god that its authors created.

RubyPeragickqlin
09-01-2013, 05:51 PM
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cont topic.
US President Barack Obama wants to kill a few Syrians to send a message that killing people with gas is bad.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opi...-1226708578652


ONLY now - more than two years into Syria's civil war - have the United States and some allies decided to Do Something.

Strangely, we didn't have to Do Something while 100,000 Syrians were blown up, shot, beheaded or raped to death.

But we apparently do now that 1500 more have been killed in a chemical weapons attack blamed on the Syrian Government.

US President Barack Obama now wants to kill a few Syrians himself to send a message that killing people with gas is bad.

"If we are saying in a clear and decisive but very limited way, we send a shot across the bow saying, 'Stop doing this,' this can have a positive impact on our national security," he added.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd agrees killing more Syrians with American bombs will stop other people killing Syrians with gas.

"In the absence of such a response, the problem is this - the regime could then take succour that it could do this again."

Gassing people - including many children - is indeed ghastly, but other ways of killing don't seem much better.

The United Nations, for example, has accused soldiers of the opposition Free Syrian Army of rape and murder of Syrian women. One rebel soldier was filmed eating the heart of a government soldier.

And this suggests the real problem with bombing Syrian Government facilities in reprisal for the chemical weapons attack.

Who would the West help?

Invading Iraq at least replaced a genocidal dictator with infinitely better elected governments.

But attacking the repulsive Syrian regime can only help the two strongest rebel forces in this war - both allies of al-Qaida.

One, the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, is an al-Qaida affiliate. The other, Jabhal al-Nusra, is listed in the US as a terrorist organisation, and is responsible for many suicide bomb attacks.

Between them, these forces have attracted thousands of foreign fighters, including jihadists from Australia.

Some argue more moderate forces in the resistance should get more aid to rival the power of the Islamists, but that could prove a losing bet.

It could also risk the blowback the US got after arming the "moderate" Taliban to fight the Russians - who, incidentally, back the Syrian regime and could react badly to US reprisals.

The temptation to punish someone for this gassing is overwhelming, but doing nothing might still prove safer.

RubyPeragickqlin
09-01-2013, 07:42 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520#.UiPT2XdA1Y4.twitter

Revealed: Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after war began
1 Sep 2013 07:21

FURIOUS politicians have demanded Prime Minister David Cameron explain why chemical export licences were granted to firms last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began.

David M
09-02-2013, 01:44 AM
Hello Ruby

It is an interesting question that you have asked and I take it in the context of your post.

I think many of us are in the position of being bystanders. Whether we are innocent or guilty of complicity to do with the subject of your post is the question we have to answer.

I regard myself as a bystander. I am not in a position to have my voice heard in the circles of government, though you could then argue that I could get myself in a position to be heard. I have to question whether my words would be sufficiently powerful to be heard. It is not my place to do anything that is against the puropse of God in which he declares his hand to show that he is God. I watch for the signs.

My intention is to make people aware of God's message. God knows precisely what is going on in Syria and what the result will be. That is the message that comes from the likes of the prophet Isaiah speaking messianic prophecies. As Daniel tells us (Dan 4:17) to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. It is wrong what the people are doing. Wrong is done on both sides. Since God has revealed to some extent the outcome his judgements on these nations, it is not for me to to argue against God's judgements who judges righteously. The message from me is that God's word is coming true all the time these prophecies are being fulfilled over time.

We must be careful that we do not let our human thinking or emotions get in the way of God's will. That is why Jesus called Peter; "Satan", (Matt 16:23) Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Peter had good intentions but he did not realize that what he wanted to see happen was not in the purpose of God.

God has decreed what he will allow to happen by letting man rule himself, even to the extent of man destroying the earth, but then comes the judgement and prevention before man destroys himself. God is in control. He uses reprobates to let them have their way as long as it does not conflict with his purpose. All the evil in the world is caused by man. I am aware of this, and this is part of the message I try to get across. God has the solution to man's problems. God promises will not fail and eternal life is a promise that will be kept to those who comply with God's will. It is not God's will we get involved with man's politics, which are contrary to God. That is why I know God will sort these things out and I leave this up to him. I would not campaign against that which God has already decreed will happen.

It is a point of controversy now on this forum to do with the prophecy concerning Damascus. Isaiah 17:1 is considered to be one of many messianic prophecies that must take place before Christ can return. The utter destruction of the city of Damascus has never taken place (only in part), it has continued to this day as the oldest longest continuously trading city and that status as a city has not been completely taken away, but it will be. Time will tell whose understanding is right and who is wrong. I am on the side of God, even if it happens that I am mistaken about some of his prophecies and the way they are fulfilled.

All the best
David

RubyPeragickqlin
09-02-2013, 02:56 AM
Rose rails at her God, and trashes the bible at every opportunity - ofcourse, as an unrighteous teacher - all because she remains inside her carnal head, trying to use her own wisdom and getting no where with it, after all who really cares for her thoughts, as all men have their own private religious thinking and their own personal wisdom that satisfies them.
It is an anti-christ spirit, lodged within, and allowed there because of sin and rebellion - the law of sowing and reaping Manifesting.
Ofcourse Rose wil deny this using her fancy sidestepping theories to convince all that= after all '' ITS ROSE'S WORLD AND ROSE IS RIGHT''.
however, I objected , why?

Because the truth is being trashed and you know= some people do actually love the Truth - called Yeshua Messiah, enough to stand with HIM, when HE STOOD FOR ME on the cross.
Now i do realise the truth is a hated value and few seek it out - however there is a small remnant on earth who do live IN this spirit of Truth and Yes, they do find the NT freedom it promises.

basically people are afraid of standing by the truth, as we consider those 11 NT apostles, as they deserted their Saviour, and only one named John STOOD BY HIS FRIEND AND SAVIOUR in His hour of need.
The other 10 HID from the jews their holy instruction gone and forgotten, as apostle fear took his stand.

Ofcourse a mere man can slap God around, lick Him in the shins and tell Him, His word ain't worth 2 bits, all from the comfort of his living room and cosy chair and slippers at the ready, but once the old KARMA strikes - and there is a howling and a sobbin' few remain aethists as the wind in their ballons is soon pricked as the grim reaper is at the ever ready for the final command....
Now ofcourse you may please yourself David, about your religious beliefs if you wish to fight for the truth on any matter that harms kills and destroys others or be that bystander God the father knows that you are.
The jewish people under their leaders, didnt speak out and after a probation of 40yrs died in such aweful circumstances, as a lesson for us all to consider.........
Yes indeed, a good lesson for the faint hearted, the gutless with the anti-christ spirit and those reprobates who rail against holy things their fleshy mind has failed to understand as they become wise to their own wisdom and destruction.

updated...

good luck David, remember the Potter - and remember you're the clay.

David M
09-02-2013, 04:07 AM
Rose rails at her God, and trashes the bible at every opportunity - ofcourse, as an unrighteous teacher - all because she remains inside her carnal head, trying to use her own wisdom and getting no where with it, after all who really cares for her thoughts, as all men have their own private religious thinking and their own personal wisdom that satisfies them.
It is an anti-christ spirit, lodged within, and allowed there because of sin and rebellion - the law of sowing and reaping Manifesting.
Ofcourse Rose wil deny this using her fancy sidestepping theories to convince all that= after all '' ITS ROSE'S WORLD AND ROSE IS RIGHT''.
however, I objected , why?

Because the truth is being trashed and you know= some people do actually love the Truth - called Yeshua Messiah, enough to stand with HIM, when HE STOOD FOR ME on the cross.
Now i do realise the truth is a hated value and few seek it out - however there is a small remnant on earth who do live IN this spirit of Truth and Yes, they do find the NT freedom it promises.

basically people are afraid of standing by the truth, as we consider those 11 NT apostles, as they deserted their Saviour, and only one named John STOOD BY HIS FRIEND AND SAVIOUR in His hour of need.
The other 10 HID from the jews their holy instruction gone and forgotten, as apostle fear took his stand.

Ofcourse a mere man can slap God around, lick Him in the shins and tell Him, His word ain't worth 2 bits, all from the comfort of his living room and cosy chair and slippers at the ready, but once the old KARMA strikes - and there is a howling and a sobbin' few remain aethists as the wind in their ballons is soon pricked as the grim reaper is at the ever ready for the final command....
Now ofcourse you may please yourself David, about your religious beliefs if you wish to fight for the truth on any matter that harms kills and destroys others or be that bystander God the father knows that you are.
The jewish people under their leaders, didnt speak out and after a probation of 40yrs died in such aweful circumstances, as a lesson for us all to consider.........
Yes indeed, a good lesson for the faint hearted, the gutless with the anti-christ spirit and those reprobates who rail against holy things their fleshy mind has failed to understand as they become wise to their own wisdom and destruction.

updated...

good luck David, remember the Potter - and remember you're the clay.


Hello Ruby
I know I am the clay and I hope I do not end up a cracked vessel after the firing process.

There is a difference between "everyone doing that which is right in their own eyes" as was the case before the flood and like in the time when "there was no king in Israel" and doing that which has a basis in God's word. We can have a difference of understanding of God's word that can be corrected, and if we are compliant with the two great commandments, then "understanding that which is right in our own eyes" does not equate with those who do things not in accordance with God's instruction.

Searching the scriptures to find "if the things said are so" is what we personally have to do, if we are to have any chance of understanding correctly.

Ask God (knock at the door ...) for understanding with a sincere and contrite heart and then he will give an answer of peace. As you know, we have to come to God on his terms and not on our own terms.

All the best
David

Rose
09-02-2013, 10:18 AM
Rose rails at her God, and trashes the bible at every opportunity - ofcourse, as an unrighteous teacher - all because she remains inside her carnal head, trying to use her own wisdom and getting no where with it, after all who really cares for her thoughts, as all men have their own private religious thinking and their own personal wisdom that satisfies them.
It is an anti-christ spirit, lodged within, and allowed there because of sin and rebellion - the law of sowing and reaping Manifesting.
Ofcourse Rose wil deny this using her fancy sidestepping theories to convince all that= after all '' ITS ROSE'S WORLD AND ROSE IS RIGHT''.
however, I objected , why?

Because the truth is being trashed and you know= some people do actually love the Truth - called Yeshua Messiah, enough to stand with HIM, when HE STOOD FOR ME on the cross.


Hello Ruby

So, you want to talk about unrighteous teachers ... the Bible is full of such stories. For example the Bible teaches that a father can sell his daughter to be the sex slave of another master. The Bible also teaches that if a man see a beautiful woman amongst his enemies whom he desires and lusts after he can take her for his wife. Wow! Talk about unrighteousness.

Exo.21:7-9 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.



Deuteronomy 21:10-11 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house;



The Bible is filled with unrighteous teachings written by unrighteous men who created an unrighteous god in their own image.

Speaking of ROSE'S WORLD :lol: I know my world would be a whole lot better than the biblical world of Scripture! All people would be treated with respect and dignity.

Richard Amiel McGough
09-02-2013, 11:55 AM
the law of sin and death, has its own reward - one of sowing and reaping, it is a law like gravity -

So, how strange that the clay should shout back to the potter as you do.

I'm not shouting at the Potter. I'm pointing out the errors of the potsherds (like you) who speak as if they were the Potter. By your own assertion, you are a fallible, ignorant, lump of broken pottery just like me. What gives you the authority to declare that the Bible is the Word of the Potter?

You display the satanic arrogance of the religious mind. You have set youself above the "stars of God" and declared your word to be the very Word of God.



Who are you to tell the Potter anything, mere man? -......

Who are you to declare that God is a genocidal maniac? That's what you do when you say that the Bible is true.



why have such a hissy fit, when you are doomed to die from your own personal sowing and reaping - infact your utter distain for the creator is frankly insanity and carnal minded mere man....like a small child having a tantrum cuz his father wont let him have what HE WANTS......well done.

mere man, who said your opinion is even worthy to consider?
I do not disdain the creator. I disdain the Biblical description of the Creator, as would any good and rational person. Your acceptance of the abominations in the Bible only demonstrates how your religion has corrupted your morals. Nothing could be more ironic, given the claim that there would be no morality if not for for the Christian god.

By your own testimony, your words are nothing but the words of an ignorant and fallible human. Why should anyone believe your claims over those of a Muslim who says that the Quran is the Word of God? And beware, if you try to use the Sword of Evidence you will fall by that sword because the Bible contains many demonstrable falsehoods, errors, absurdities, and moral obscenities attributed to God. So how then will you make you case? You cannot, because you faith is false and delusional.

Richard Amiel McGough
09-02-2013, 12:01 PM
Because the truth is being trashed and you know= some people do actually love the Truth - called Yeshua Messiah, enough to stand with HIM, when HE STOOD FOR ME on the cross.
Now i do realise the truth is a hated value and few seek it out - however there is a small remnant on earth who do live IN this spirit of Truth and Yes, they do find the NT freedom it promises.

I know of no group that despises the TRUTH more than fundamentalist believers who say that the Bible is God's Word.

There is no greater irony than to see believers trample the truth even as they proclaim their great love for it. They even say they worship the truth in the person of Jesus Christ! What a pathetic joke. It is pure delusion.

Richard Amiel McGough
09-02-2013, 12:19 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520#.UiPT2XdA1Y4.twitter

Revealed: Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after war began
1 Sep 2013 07:21

FURIOUS politicians have demanded Prime Minister David Cameron explain why chemical export licences were granted to firms last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began.

And here is the response from the UK Government posted by the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-23924259):



The UK government has rejected newspaper claims chemicals exported from Britain after the uprising in Syria began could have been used in the production of agents such as sarin gas.
The Sunday Mail (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520) story has prompted Scottish Labour and SNP MPs to call for an explanation from ministers.

It comes after the US says it has evidence sarin was used in a deadly attack in Damascus last month.

The Department for Business says the exports never made it to Syria.

A spokesman said the export licences - granted for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride meant for use in aluminium shower products and toothpaste - were also revoked after EU sanctions was introduced.


Did you check your sources Ruby, or do you just assume something is true if it happens to fit your bias?

RubyPeragickqlin
09-02-2013, 02:04 PM
Not too many are really too interested in your religious theory Richard, it really is only hot air and human logic, which is not true logic at all.
You are only wise in your own eyes and not too many others.

Ofcourse lies are told on both sides of any war, but what is the proof of any truth is the manifestations and the ARAB SPRING is one such manifestation.

now you can roll your eyes and say i am biased - who cares what you think..... i least of all.
but.....
as you live in a ''christian country'' and known by this term worldwide, [USA is a christian country] are you a guilty bystander? -

now that is the question.
ofcourse you can ''give a smart' answer and bang your hairy chest'', which is beside the point, because the law of sowing and reaping does come to pass for both the wise in their own eyes and the ignorant,

Richard Amiel McGough
09-02-2013, 04:15 PM
Not too many are really too interested in your religious theory Richard, it really is only hot air and human logic, which is not true logic at all.
You are only wise in your own eyes and not too many others.

What a joke! Please define "human logic" as opposed to "logic".

It's hilarious to watch you speak for the "masses" as if you had any evidence that "not too many are really interested in my religious theory." How many people are interested in your "religious theory" that you are the Authorized Speaker for God Almighty as if you were sitting on his throne look down to judge the "potsherds of the earth"?

Have you no humility at all? Do you really think you are following Christ by condemning and judging and insulting others? How pathetic is that?



Ofcourse lies are told on both sides of any war, but what is the proof of any truth is the manifestations and the ARAB SPRING is one such manifestation.

now you can roll your eyes and say i am biased - who cares what you think..... i least of all.
but.....
as you live in a ''christian country'' and known by this term worldwide, [USA is a christian country] are you a guilty bystander? -

now that is the question.
ofcourse you can ''give a smart' answer and bang your hairy chest'', which is beside the point, because the law of sowing and reaping does come to pass for both the wise in their own eyes and the ignorant,
I think you are probably the one with a hairy chest ... caused no doubt by an excess of testosterone (if your style of commentary is any indication).

Have a nice day!

:sunny:

RubyPeragickqlin
09-02-2013, 05:27 PM
IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE WHEN YOUR'E CORNERED RICHARD you go off on a tangent of uninteresing waffle - the world does not run on your theories nor upon your personal ''wisdom'' .

the arab spring is a manifested reality - but please - have the last waffle, and side step the issues......
on most posts you do this i noticed - i guess it must be a happy feeling to be so wise in your own conceit......
as for poor Rose and her ''unjust god'' and ''how awefull it all is'' - the real problem is her carnal mind is working overtime, - after all the bible is not a library book any old person can pick up and be ''an authority upon'' - NO - the bible is a love letter to Messiah's disciples, [a small remnant not out from any divisional church,] who seem to understand it perfectly not only that= APPLY the holy advice to their lives and find it works - that is why i take time to utterly trash your childish religious concepts.

however as you cannot refute the arab spring uprising and make sense - i am now bored with this conversation.
bye

Richard Amiel McGough
09-02-2013, 05:54 PM
IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE WHEN YOUR'E CORNERED RICHARD you go off on a tangent of uninteresing waffle - the world does not run on your theories nor upon your personal ''wisdom'' .

Cornered? Are you delusional? (That's a rhetorical question, obviously).

What exactly is the "corner" you think you've cornered me in? I have no idea what you are raving about.



the arab spring is a manifested reality - but please - have the last waffle, and side step the issues......

I have not said a word about the "Arab spring" and whether or not it is a "manifestation". If you want to "corner me" you are going to have to quote some words I've actually written and show how they are in error. Good luck with that.

I get the impression you are using that word like the crazed Pentecostals talk about "manifestations" of the Spirit which are more like infestations of brain maggots, like what we see here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M

Or are you a member of the Name It and Claim It (Blab It and Grab It) crowd that is just a Christian version of The Secret of manifesting carnal wealth? Is that what you are talking about?



on most posts you do this i noticed - i guess it must be a happy feeling to be so wise in your own conceit......

You think I am arrogant because I have pricked your pride. You seem to be obsessed with "conceit" - too bad you don't realize how much that reveals about yourself.



as for poor Rose and her ''unjust god'' and ''how awefull it all is'' - the real problem is her carnal mind is working overtime, - after all the bible is not a library book any old person can pick up and be ''an authority upon'' - NO - the bible is a love letter to Messiah's disciples, [a small remnant not out from any divisional church,] who seem to understand it perfectly not only that= APPLY the holy advice to their lives and find it works - that is why i take time to utterly trash your childish religious concepts.

You are going to have to put in a little more "time" if you want to successfully "trash" anything Rose or I have written. Our words stand on the facts of reality. If you want to refute them, then you need to deal with what the Bible actually says. Here's a good place to start. Please explain how GENOCIDE is not a moral abomination. Then please explain how God commanding his people to slaughter every man, woman, and child of the Midianites, except 32,000 sexy virgins that were taken as sex slaves (Numbers 31), is anything other than an absolute moral abomination.

You are full of bluster like a great wind, and with about as much content.



however as you cannot refute the arab spring uprising and make sense - i am now bored with this conversation.
bye

Internet trolls always say how "bored" they are when they can't defend their words. You are not bored. You have been exposed as a arrogant religious crank who could not form a cogent argument if your life depended on it. And you are freaking RUDE beyond measure. A fine example of how Christianity tends to corrupt the minds and morals of believers. That's no surprise, of course, since you believe that genocide and mass rape of 32,000 sexy virgins is not wrong according to God's Eternal Moral Standard revealed in the inerrant and infallible Word of God.

RubyPeragickqlin
09-02-2013, 06:01 PM
waffle waffle waffle.....


hey, get it off ya chest......
let your anger out...........
explode Richard i see the pressure is rising.

Richard Amiel McGough
09-02-2013, 07:27 PM
waffle waffle waffle.....


Is this what you are trying to say?

941




hey, get it off ya chest......
let your anger out...........
explode Richard i see the pressure is rising.
My chest? You are the one with the hairy chest that you've been thumping irrationally for all to see.

I found this picture of you at one or your wild religious shindigs. Looks like you were having fun!

942

It's pretty clear your brain exploded long ago in the lala land of lunatic arrogant religious fundamentalism. You don't know the first thing about me, but you have placed yourself up as judge over me and delight in spewing your ignorant incoherent half-baked opinions.

L67
09-02-2013, 08:52 PM
as you live in a ''christian country'' and known by this term worldwide, [USA is a christian country] are you a guilty bystander? -



I wanted to correct your ignorance.

The USA is NOT a Christian country. It never was and it never will be. Is Christianity the dominate religion? Yes. The USA was founded on a secular document called The Constitution. It's the law of the land, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being.

Richard Amiel McGough
09-02-2013, 09:58 PM
I wanted to correct your ignorance.

The USA is NOT a Christian country. It never was and it never will be. Is Christianity the dominate religion? Yes. The USA was founded on a secular document called The Constitution. It's the law of the land, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being.

:thumb:

RubyPeragickqlin
09-02-2013, 10:07 PM
I wanted to correct your ignorance.

The USA is NOT a Christian country. It never was and it never will be. Is Christianity the dominate religion? Yes. The USA was founded on a secular document called The Constitution. It's the law of the land, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being.

really.....perhaps this is you, dressed as an angel of light ..
tragically, it is a heritage that is now being denied by historical revisionists who wish to erase all vestiges of Christianity from our nation's memory. And so, I plan to prove to you that our nation was established on a very strong Christian foundation.


the lamb and the lion ministry has done some homework thT SEEMS TO REFUTE YOUR HUMANISTIC spirit 167
'' Scriptures, our Founding Fathers did not trust anyone with power, not even themselves. They therefore proceeded to construct a government that would limit the use of power.

Equally important was their conviction that the Word of God constitutes a higher law to which all men and governments are subject, that the fundamental rights of mankind are derived from that law and not from government.

And thus, in the nation's Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

To put it another way, the Founding Fathers of our nation expressly rejected the traditional philosophy of Humanism and its concept that Man is basically good and capable of perfection and that therefore those who are highly educated have a natural right to rule over those less fortunate.

They also rejected the radical form of Humanism that came to prevail in the French Revolution and which produced a reign of terror; namely, a belief in the essential goodness of the common man. Again, because of their world view, our Founding Fathers trusted no one. They refused to establish a monarchy or an oligarchy. But they also distrusted the common man, so they refused to establish a democracy because they feared it would quickly evolve into mobocracy''
[/QUOTE]

http://internationalcopsforchrist.com/blog/?page_id=78

I rather liked,.....


We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”


I enjoyed reading this [very interesting]
http://isamericaachristiannation.org/


1.We will go step-by-step through a decision by the United States Supreme Court, the highest judicial body in America, which officially and unanimously declared in 1892 that America is legally and organically a Christian nation (Holy Trinity Church vs. United States). This alone should answer the question, but we'll help you understand the reasons behind the Court's declaration.

David M
09-03-2013, 02:22 AM
:thumb:

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

David M
09-03-2013, 02:24 AM
I wanted to correct your ignorance.

The USA is NOT a Christian country. It never was and it never will be. Is Christianity the dominate religion? Yes. The USA was founded on a secular document called The Constitution. It's the law of the land, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being.

The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

L67
09-03-2013, 05:41 AM
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Nice try David. But no. The Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Constitution is the law of the land and it is a secular document.

In fact, the first Amendment says: Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [bold caps, mine]

Right there it is. USA is NOT a Christian nation. It only has Christianity as the dominate religion.

Your point fails.

RubyPeragickqlin
09-03-2013, 01:13 PM
President Eisenhower signs "In God We Trust" into law.

The law, P.L. 84-140, also mandated that the phrase be printed on all American paper currency.

having established your a ''christian nation'' by law....

so back to the point of the thread ''are you guilty or an innocent bystander''?

David M
09-03-2013, 02:23 PM
Nice try David. But no. The Declaration of Independence does not represent any law of the United States. It came before the establishment of our lawful government (the Constitution). The Constitution is the law of the land and it is a secular document.

In fact, the first Amendment says: Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. [bold caps, mine]

Right there it is. USA is NOT a Christian nation. It only has Christianity as the dominate religion.

Your point fails.

You may be correct about the constitution that came afterwards. This is like the state taking religious education out of schools in favor of teaching Evolution theory.

To quote someone regarding all these changes in America; "America - designed by geniuses, run by idiots".


David

RubyPeragickqlin
09-03-2013, 04:47 PM
The military revolt against the Obama administration’s plan to launch a potentially disastrous attack on Syria is gathering pace, with both top brass and regular servicemembers expressing their vehement opposition to the United States becoming entangled in the conflict.
The backlash began to spread on social media yesterday with numerous members of the military posting photos of themselves holding up signs stating that they would refuse to fight on the same side as Al-Qaeda in Syria


loved the photo BTW

http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-revolt-against-obamas-attack-on-syria.html