Impossible! I'm of the body of Christ.

[newnature]

If Satan cannot touch the body of Christ, then why did Paul instruct us to put on the armor of God, to resist the devil, to stand firm, and to be alert? If we are not susceptible to being wounded or trapped by Satan, why does Paul describe our relationship to the powers of darkness as a wrestling match? Those who deny the enemy’s potential for destruction are the most vulnerable to it. Even though our eternal destiny is secure and the armor of God is readily available, we are still vulnerable to Satan’s accusations and temptations. If we give into these, we can be influenced by Satan, and if we remain under his influence long enough, we can lose control, if we fail to stand against him. Ownership is never at stake, Satan cannot touch our new identity, but as long as we are living in this fleshly body, we can allow ourselves to be vulnerable targets to all Satan’s fiery darts. How do you think Satan carries on his worldwide ministry of evil and deception? He is a created being; he is not omnipresent, omniscient, or omnipotent. He cannot be everywhere in the world tempting and deceiving millions of people at the same moment. He does so through an army of emissaries “fallen angels called evil spirits” who propagate his plan of rebellion around the world. The Bible does not attempt to prove the existence of evil spirits any more than it attempts to prove the existence of God, it simply reports on their activities.

God’s Reconciliation of Man, read more about it at http://godsreconciliation.blogspot.com/

[Brother Les]

The Apostle Paul was writting during the timeline of the transitions period when the OC was waxing old and fading away and the NC was maturing to the consemation of the wedding. Paul was writting to a First Century audience and the letter is theirs. Satan, Death, and Hell were thrown into the Lake of Fire at the End of The Age (Mosaic Age). Satan is not the adversary of God or man now for he is long gone. The adversary to God and each other is each and everyone of us. For the heart of man is continueally evil all of the days of ones life. Your mind and your actions show who you are. By 'blaming' 'Satan' you are less of a man and more of an animal.

[Scott]

Rev.12:12 in short "The Devil is come down unto you,having great wrath, because he knows he hath but a short season." At what point in history does brother Les think this verse is referring to. I believe its the Tribulation.

[Scott]

The Devil is come down unto you=2016 [sumerian gematria]

[ADAM]1318YRS.666YRS.2015YRS[JC 33]1317YRS.666YRS[END OF 2013/14,really 2016 from Christs birth]

[Scott]

There are 3 requirements to complete the task of Rev.13:18 :
Wisdom+Understanding+Counting=2016[Sumerian a=6 b=12 z=156God]

Daniel 9:24 "70 weeks determined. is verse 22013 of the bible and verse 27[midst of final week]is verse 22016

2012/1,234,567,890 leaves a remainder of [666]and i was unsuccessful at finding another year # in the last 200yrs and in the next 150yrs[thats as far as i counted]that would produce a remainder of 666

[Scott]

My wife and i love Obama,so i hope the following just means he is the Final President.

Lincoln+Obama=[666] [a=6 b=12 c=18...z=156God]

Lincoln Freed The Slaves=[666+36+666],Then Came Barack=Sum of entire sentence is now [666+666+666] 1+2+3....+36=[666] 6*6*6=216
Barack=216 , Born 216th day of the year.

[Scott]

The Church Is Raptured=1350

The Great Tribulation=1350

1350+666=2016

[Richard Amiel McGough]

My wife and i love Obama,so i hope the following just means he is the Final President.

Lincoln+Obama=[666] [a=6 b=12 c=18...z=156God]

Lincoln Freed The Slaves=[666+36+666],Then Came Barack=Sum of entire sentence is now [666+666+666] 1+2+3....+36=[666] 6*6*6=216
Barack=216 , Born 216th day of the year.
Hey there Scott,

Do you have any reason to think that those number patterns are anything other than random, meaningless coincidences? It is a simple fact that you would always find interesting coincidences with any arbitrary letter/number association. You could start with a = 17, b = 843, c = -23, etc, and you would find interesting coincidences. So if you are going to pursue this field of study, the first thing you must do is to find a way to discern if the connections are random and meaningless or not. Have you done that? I've met hundreds of people who have shared results like yours, and the one thing they all have in common is that they never even tried to determine if there was any real meaning to the numbers.

All the best,

Richard

[Scott]

Hi Richard , I had a feeling already that you wouldnt get a kick out of it, but i do,and i think its pretty cool that those years are only 1 to 3 away,so i wont have to waste much time wondering if im wrong about it, cuz it "looks" like i found it just in time, so im gonna go with it for now,for lack of anything more exciting in my life at this time. But i have to mention, the spans of years, whether linked with years of Jesus,or played out in full,are timed out perfectly with Blood Moons and Solar Eclipses[start and finish],so im going to make an educated guess, using all the accumulative evidence that points to his soon return[since i found none, to support that he isnt coming soon.]and say that what ive found is Totally Designed.

Thanks just the same for your imput. I might have more to show, for anyone interested.

[Scott]

Rev.13:18 "666" is without arguement[if the book is what it claims to be]one of the most important verses in the bible,and definately seems to be related to end time events. I got the notion to turn 13:18 and 666 into years,and see how they squeeze in between 1st Adam, and 2nd Adam,and found that 2015yrs were left to reach the birth of 2nd Adam[Jesus]. Year 2016 is also first year of Jesus's life,and the years from his birth to the end of 2013, start of 2014 is really 2016yrs.,according to Ivan Panins chronolgy. So when i repeated the process by squeezing 1318yrs and 666yrs into the timeline from The Cross, they finish "inside" and right at the end of 2016YRS.[within a few months,its too hard to be exact] This is right on time for the Blood Moons and Solar Eclipses. The fact that the first half of timeline[according to Gods word]is 1318.666.2016, is a clue to what the second half of the timeline would look like, only the 2nd time the 1318yrs and 666yrs play out, they are contained inside of the 2016 year span. I really believe this has substance, and is definately designed by God. Rev.12:12 "The Devil Is Come Down Unto You"=2016 Dont forget, nothing is a sure thing in this world,except God's word, but it cant be proven to some people. Therefore all one can do, is go with their gut instinct, the evidence, and whatever makes the most sense,in my case, this is God's word.

[Brother Les]

Hi Richard , I had a feeling already that you wouldnt get a kick out of it, but i do,and i think its pretty cool that those years are only 1 to 3 away,so i wont have to waste much time wondering if im wrong about it, cuz it "looks" like i found it just in time, so im gonna go with it for now,for lack of anything more exciting in my life at this time. But i have to mention, the spans of years, whether linked with years of Jesus,or played out in full,are timed out perfectly with Blood Moons and Solar Eclipses[start and finish],so im going to make an educated guess, using all the accumulative evidence that points to his soon return[since i found none, to support that he isnt coming soon.]and say that what ive found is Totally Designed.

Thanks just the same for your imput. I might have more to show, for anyone interested.


Scott, the NC Age is with out end. You should read the book,"88 Reasons that the world will end in 1988". Many were mistaken then and some are still in that mistaken mindset of 'any moment, any day now, 'the world will end'. The Mosaic world and the end of the AgeS was in AD70.

[Scott]

Hey there Scott,

Do you have any reason to think that those number patterns are anything other than random, meaningless coincidences? It is a simple fact that you would always find interesting coincidences with any arbitrary letter/number association. You could start with a = 17, b = 843, c = -23, etc, and you would find interesting coincidences. So if you are going to pursue this field of study, the first thing you must do is to find a way to discern if the connections are random and meaningless or not. Have you done that? I've met hundreds of people who have shared results like yours, and the one thing they all have in common is that they never even tried to determine if there was any real meaning to the numbers.

All the best,

Richard

Panin found that the last date obtainable from the bible is 4032 The Cross Year, and the last date of the eighth period[period 1 is Adam to the Flood] I knew God chooses his numbers and years for a reason,and knowing Jesus is 888 and was crucified on the last year given from Gods word,i decided to count the numbers from 1 to 8 like i did with 666, 789-123=666, 6*6*6=216 , 666-450=216

1*2*3*4*5*6*7*8=40320 , I now understood why Jesus name is 888 in Greek, and he was hung on The Cross 4032 from Adam.

The Trinity=888/ The+Number+Set+[one+two+THREE=888]+four+five+Eight=906JC[Sumerian]+1590[same # as my name]+nine+zero=4032 is the sum of entire string of letters.

450+666=[1116] , Eleven Sixteen Code=[1116]

The 450 and 666 Code=[1590]
2012/1234567890 leaves 666 remainder

1116 , 11/16 , November Sixteenth Twenty Twelve=[1590+666+216] plus 1260 days is April Thirtieth Twenty Sixteen=[1590+666], the very next day is May First=666

"His Number Is Six Hundred Sixty Six"= [666+216+1590?]

666+Six Hundred Sixty Six[1650]+666/1234567890 leaves [666+666+666] remaining
1590/1234567890 leaves 1260 or [666+594Rapture]

2016/1234567890 is 776457 times which is 1234566630 and leaves [God156+1590?] remaining

2012/1234567890 is 613602[613602-2012=611590?]remainder 666

[Scott]

Panin found that the last date obtainable from the bible is 4032 The Cross Year, and the last date of the eighth period[period 1 is Adam to the Flood] I knew God chooses his numbers and years for a reason,and knowing Jesus is 888 and was crucified on the last year given from Gods word,i decided to count the numbers from 1 to 8 like i did with 666, 789-123=666, 6*6*6=216 , 666-450=216

1*2*3*4*5*6*7*8=40320 , I now understood why Jesus name is 888 in Greek, and he was hung on The Cross 4032 from Adam.

The Trinity=888/ The+Number+Set+[one+two+THREE=888]+four+five+Eight=906JC[Sumerian]+1590[same # as my name]+nine+zero=4032 is the sum of entire string of letters.

450+666=[1116] , Eleven Sixteen Code=[1116]

The 450 and 666 Code=[1590]
2012/1234567890 leaves 666 remainder

1116 , 11/16 , November Sixteenth Twenty Twelve=[1590+666+216] plus 1260 days is April Thirtieth Twenty Sixteen=[1590+666], the very next day is May First=666

"His Number Is Six Hundred Sixty Six"= [666+216+1590?]

666+Six Hundred Sixty Six[1650]+666/1234567890 leaves [666+666+666] remaining
1590/1234567890 leaves 1260 or [666+594Rapture]

2016/1234567890 is 776457 times which is 1234566630 and leaves [God156+1590?] remaining

2012/1234567890 is 613602[613602-2012=611590?]remainder 666

My full name=1590

1+2+3...+36=666

Counting+Six+Six+Six=[777+777]

777+36+777=1590

777 is [7+7+7]*36+[7+7+7]

My First name, plus, Last name=1128 , 1128-[Scott 462 Christ]=666 ,

First name - Last name=[36]

entire name consists of 6+6+6 letters.

1590 , one+five+nine+zero=[666+2016]

One+Thousand+Five+Hundred+Ninety=[6+6+6+2016]

Psephizo+Arithmos+Chi+Xi+Stigma=[6+6+6+2016]

I posted over 900 comments on another website, showing everything ive found, this just a sample. I would like to name the website,but im not sure if im allowed?

[Scott]

My full name=1590

1+2+3...+36=666

Counting+Six+Six+Six=[777+777]

777+36+777=1590

777 is [7+7+7]*36+[7+7+7]

My First name, plus, Last name=1128 , 1128-[Scott 462 Christ]=666 ,

First name - Last name=[36]

entire name consists of 6+6+6 letters.

1590 , one+five+nine+zero=1092+1590=[666+2016]

One+Thousand+Five+Hundred+Ninety=[6+6+6+2016]

Psephizo+Arithmos+Chi+Xi+Stigma=[6+6+6+2016]

I posted over 900 comments on another website, showing everything ive found, this just a sample. I would like to name the website,but im not sure if im allowed?

[Scott]

The World Is About To Change=[1590] / The World Changed In Twenty Thirteen=[1590+666]

REV.3:10 "Keep Thee=[450[Rescued=450], From The Hour=[666+216] Of Temptation=[1590+666]is the sum of the sentence.

123 45 6*** 789 0

789-123=666 , 6*6*6=216 , 4,5,and 0 untouched , 666-450=216, Noahs Ark 450ft long and Fourty Five[=666+216] , Noah built an Ark=[666+216]

Jesus is our Ark=[450+666]

[Scott]

Scott, the NC Age is with out end. You should read the book,"88 Reasons that the world will end in 1988". Many were mistaken then and some are still in that mistaken mindset of 'any moment, any day now, 'the world will end'. The Mosaic world and the end of the AgeS was in AD70.

Are you saying certain parts of the bible,dont pertain to all of us living right now, and if so why were they preserved to kept in the book, and where is the part explaining what will happen in the future, did GOD not finish the story,...I dont know about your theory Les, the bible talks as though its a very huge deal thats takes place in the future 70th week. JESUS 888-483=405[1*9*9*5=405], 1995+6+6+6=2013

I studied the number of the year of Enochs Rapture 987 from Adam, and found that it multiplied out to the numbers left untouched in the number set[789-123=666 , 4,5,0 untouched] 9*8*7=504 , Divided by 7 evenly, and added to 8+8+8

It took some work,but i found there is only one other number with these 3 features.

1*9*9*5=405 , 285 sevens, 1+9+9+5=8+8+8

I took the number set God Created and divided 2012 into it to see what the remainder was , it was 666,and i was unsuccessful at finding another # that would produce 666 as a remainder.

888-483[69weeks]=405 , 1995-405=1590[same number as my full name]

[Scott]

Are you saying certain parts of the bible,dont pertain to all of us living right now, and if so why were they preserved to kept in the book, and where is the part explaining what will happen in the future, did GOD not finish the story,...I dont know about your theory Les, the bible talks as though its a very huge deal thats takes place in the future 70th week. JESUS 888-483=405[1*9*9*5=405], 1995+6+6+6=2013

I studied the number of the year of Enochs Rapture 987 from Adam, and found that it multiplied out to the numbers left untouched in the number set[789-123=666 , 4,5,0 untouched] 9*8*7=504 , Divided by 7 evenly, and added to 8+8+8

It took some work,but i found there is only one other number with these 3 features.

1*9*9*5=405 , 285 sevens, 1+9+9+5=8+8+8

I took the number set God Created and divided 2012 into it to see what the remainder was , it was 666,and i was unsuccessful at finding another # that would produce 666 as a remainder.

888-483[69weeks]=405 , 1995-405=1590[same number as my full name]

I then took my calculator,and pressed 1590 PI=[987+1995+2013]

[Scott]

Enoch987+1995=[666 + Six Hundred Sixty Six + 666]


666+Six Hundred Sixty Six+666/1234567890 leaves [666+666+666]

[David M]

Hello Scott and Les
I find prophecy an interesting subject, although this has wandered from the original topic of this thread.

We cannot be certain of any precise date although there is much speculation around the dates between say 2015 and 2018. Isaac Newton has and end date of 2060. Some take this as the last generation and so 2060 - 40 leaves 2020 for the start of the last generation. Jerusalem is still being trodden down although the old quarter we regained by the Jews in 1967. Jerusalem remains under threat from Iran and Syria etc.

Les when you says AD70 was the end of the Mosaic Covenant, this would coincide with the destruction of the temple. Some think the date is actually AD68. Do you not think the old Covenant was replaced by the New Covenant at the time of Jesus' sacrifice when the New Covenant was sealed in with his blood.


Scott. I think the Devil of Rev 12:12 has to be seen in the context of what is taking place on earth. The symbols suggest that Devil is some earthly power/organization. With collapsing governments and religious powers like the Catholic church or the Muslims, we can expect to see events happening along these lines. The events taking place in the Middle East with Israel at the centre are signs leading up to the Great Day of the Lord and the return of Jesus. Bible prophecy is still being fulfilled as we speak.

Regards
David

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard , I had a feeling already that you wouldnt get a kick out of it, but i do,and i think its pretty cool that those years are only 1 to 3 away,so i wont have to waste much time wondering if im wrong about it, cuz it "looks" like i found it just in time, so im gonna go with it for now,for lack of anything more exciting in my life at this time. But i have to mention, the spans of years, whether linked with years of Jesus,or played out in full,are timed out perfectly with Blood Moons and Solar Eclipses[start and finish],so im going to make an educated guess, using all the accumulative evidence that points to his soon return[since i found none, to support that he isnt coming soon.]and say that what ive found is Totally Designed.

Thanks just the same for your imput. I might have more to show, for anyone interested.

I understand your feeling that your findings are "Totally Designed" - that's the nature of the delusion. The truth is just the opposite - your findings are totally random. You get the illusion of "design" when you find a random coincidences the seem significant because they "fit" - but that's an illusion because you are forgetting the ten trillion numbers that don't fit your pattern. Your posts are a tribute to the logical fallacy of Cherry Picking and the malady of cognitive bias.

Don't you find it a little curious that date-setters almost always think Christ will return in just a few years from when they make their predictions?

Your style of calculation and interpretation is indistinguishable from that used by the folks who have been getting it wrong for 2000 thousand years. Why would you choose to add your name to such folly? It is obviously ridiculous. Your thinking is entirely unprincipled. You have no way to discern between truth and error.

Don't you realize that you are making a mockery of God, Christ, and the Bible? Don't you care about truth at all? Truth is not a game you play when you feel like wasting time because you have nothing better to do!

I hope you take my criticism in the spirit intended. You have chosen to proclaim your folly to the world here on my forum, so I trust you don't mind if I share my opinion with you. It is a very well founded opinion, and if you take it to heart, it may help free you from your delusion so you don't deceive other people and don't waste the next three years waiting for something that is not going to happen.

All the best,

Richard

[Scott]

I understand your feeling that your findings are "Totally Designed" - that's the nature of the delusion. The truth is just the opposite - your findings are totally random. You get the illusion of "design" when you find a random coincidences the seem significant because they "fit" - but that's an illusion because you are forgetting the ten trillion numbers that don't fit your pattern. Your posts are a tribute to the logical fallacy of Cherry Picking and the malady of cognitive bias.

Don't you find it a little curious that date-setters almost always think Christ will return in just a few years from when they make their predictions?

Your style of calculation and interpretation is indistinguishable from that used by the folks who have been getting it wrong for 2000 thousand years. Why would you choose to add your name to such folly? It is obviously ridiculous. Your thinking is entirely unprincipled. You have no way to discern between truth and error.

Don't you realize that you are making a mockery of God, Christ, and the Bible? Don't you care about truth at all? Truth is not a game you play when you feel like wasting time because you have nothing better to do!

I hope you take my criticism in the spirit intended. You have chosen to proclaim your folly to the world here on my forum, so I trust you don't mind if I share my opinion with you. It is a very well founded opinion, and if you take it to heart, it may help free you from your delusion so you don't deceive other people and don't waste the next three years waiting for something that is not going to happen.

All the best,

Richard

[Scott]

Richard if you were a God fearing man,which obviously you arent,i "might" consider what you are saying, but God says not to trust people that dont fear him, so i wont. I do however,remain confident that in the next few years, you will have changed your mind about the numbers i've displayed. As for including my name in the equations, i didnt God did,and i never said it was intended to be my name,only that i shared that number for my name.I always felt that the most complex riddle in the history of mankind,might be solved in tne most simple fashion,and knowing the number set was created by God,everything it can do was designed by God,and it made me curious that the same number i have as my name,appeared with all the equations "I" found.

The Trinity=888/The+number+set[+one+two+THREE=888]+four+five+six+seven+EIGHT=[906JESUS CHRIST[SUMERIAN]+1590?]+nine+zero=4032The last date obtainable from "God's Word" The year of the Cross and resurrection. It is "impossible"for anyone, especially you,to convince me that this happened by chance,in GOD'S number set.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Richard if you were a God fearing man,which obviously you arent,i "might" consider what you are saying, but God says not to trust people that dont fear him, so i wont. I do however,remain confident that in the next few years, you will have changed your mind about the numbers i've displayed. As for including my name in the equations, i didnt God did,and i never said it was intended to be my name,only that i shared that number for my name.I always felt that the most complex riddle in the history of mankind,might be solved in tne most simple fashion,and knowing the number set was created by God,everything it can do was designed by God,and it made me curious that the same number i have as my name,appeared with all the equations "I" found.

The Trinity=888/The+number+set[+one+two+THREE=888]+four+five+six+seven+EIGHT=[906JESUS CHRIST[SUMERIAN]+1590?]+nine+zero=4032The last date obtainable from "God's Word" The year of the Cross and resurrection. It is "impossible"for anyone, especially you,to convince me that this happened by chance,in GOD'S number set.
Hey there Scott,

Your delusion has some very powerful defense mechanisms! I'm confident that you would reject my comments whether or not I was still a Christian. And I can assure you that I would have made the same comments when I was a Christian because I wrote the truth which can be proven. All you need to do is actually try to answer my primary question: How do you discern between truth and falsehood in your interpretations based on numbers? The fact that you can't answer proves the truth of my words.

Like I said, your delusion has some very powerful defense mechanisms. It convinced you to ignore the truth of my comments because I am not a Christian. But that's absurd, and you should know it, because my religious beliefs have nothing to do with the truth of my comments. Your response is a textbook case of the Genetic Fallacy - it is fallacious to reject a statement on the basis of who said it. So now we have three good reasons to reject your "findings." First, they are just like all the failed predictions that litter the last two thousand years of history. Second, you do not have any way to discern between truth and error. Third, they are based on blatant cognitive bias and logical fallacies such as Cherry Picking and the Genetic Fallacy.

It would be good if you answered my question: Don't you care about truth at all? If so, why do you trample it under foot? Why do you engage in such blatant logical fallacies?

All the best,

Richard

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The Trinity=888/The+number+set[+one+two+THREE=888]+four+five+six+seven+EIGHT=[906JESUS CHRIST[SUMERIAN]+1590?]+nine+zero=4032The last date obtainable from "God's Word" The year of the Cross and resurrection. It is "impossible"for anyone, especially you,to convince me that this happened by chance,in GOD'S number set.
Given that meaningless connections like that are expected to appear in any arbitrary association of letters and numbers, it is not my job to convince you it "happened by chance." On the contrary, you need to give some reason to think it did NOT happen by chance. But you can't do that because you don't understand anything about logic or statistics as far as I can tell. Therefore, you assertion that it didn't happen by chance is based on nothing but your delusion.

The simple truth is that you could find patterns in any set of random words and numbers. And most significantly, the sin qua non of the "Number Delusion" is that folks who believe in such things will almost always find that their own name "fits the pattern" that they were shown. I've seen this many times. I've received dozens of emails over the years from people who "prove" they are Jesus Christ or one of the two witnesses by playing with silly, unprincipled numerology.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Are you saying certain parts of the bible,dont pertain to all of us living right now, and if so why were they preserved to kept in the book, and where is the part explaining what will happen in the future, did GOD not finish the story,...I dont know about your theory Les, the bible talks as though its a very huge deal thats takes place in the future 70th week. JESUS 888-483=405[1*9*9*5=405], 1995+6+6+6=2013

The Bible says nothing about any magical stretchy 2000+ year gap between the 69th and 70th week. The prophecy says that the temple would be destroyed. That happened in 70 AD. There is no temple now to be destroyed, and there never will be one again since the Temple spoken of by Daniel was the temple that existed at the time of Christ. If the prophecy has any meaning, it has been fulfilled. Indeed, the fulfillment of this prophecy in the first century is the only objectively verifiable prophecy that has been fulfilled as far as I know. Therefore, the popular Christian view that it was not fulfilled in the first century is the strongest attack against the fulfilled prophecy Bible that I could imagine. It's funny, because it is one of the few points where fundamentalist Christians agree with the atheists who agree that the prophecy was not fulfilled. But the atheists agree more with the Bible since they also admit the obvious fact that the Bible predicted all the "end times" events would happen in the first century.

Also, you random number associations don't make your case any stronger. On the contrary, they look very foolish. The fact that 1995 + 18 = 2013 means absolutely nothing. But it is a perfect example of how you entertain yourself with your meaningless number game. Is there any reason to subtract 7 x 69 from the numerical value of the name of Jesus? Why not use his Hebrew name, 391, or his Greek title Jesus Christ = 2368 or his full title Lord Jesus Christ = 3168? There are countless possibilities, so the patterns you find are meaningless.

How did you get into the date-setting number game? How long have you been playing? If you are an experienced date setting number gamer, then you have probably made many false predictions in the past. That's what so very strange about the number delusion. First, the game is entirely unprincipled - there is no reason any intelligent person would believe any of the predictions are valid. And when the predictions are proven false, the gamer just ignores that and makes more predictions. This reveals the profound and pathetic depth of this delusion. Don't you care about truth? Why do you let yourself be controlled by a delusion?

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Panin found that the last date obtainable from the bible is 4032 The Cross Year, and the last date of the eighth period[period 1 is Adam to the Flood] I knew God chooses his numbers and years for a reason,and knowing Jesus is 888 and was crucified on the last year given from Gods word,i decided to count the numbers from 1 to 8 like i did with 666, 789-123=666, 6*6*6=216 , 666-450=216

1*2*3*4*5*6*7*8=40320 , I now understood why Jesus name is 888 in Greek, and he was hung on The Cross 4032 from Adam.

How do you know that Christ died 4032 years after Adam? You don't. Your assertion is truly absurd since the Bible doesn't give any exact dates like that. At best, you can count up genealogies, but there is a problem. The genealogies only speak of years, they don't mention how many months. For example, when it says that "Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos" (Genesis 5:6) it doesn't say which month. It could have been in the first month, the twelfth month, or anywhere in between. Therefore, each generation introduces an uncertainty of six months on average. This means that after N generations, the most likely number of actual years would be N/2 more than those calculated by counting the numbers in the genealogies. And there are many other sources of errors. The genealogies contradict each other. For example, Luke inserts an extra generation in the genealogy from Adam to Noah. Which was used to calculate the date of 4032? And how do you know which year Christ was crucified? The Bible does not say. We need to use secular history and the best anyone can do is an estimate somewhere between 26-36 AD. Which date do you think is correct, and why?

All of this proves yet again that your number games are utterly meaningless. I wish there were a way to help you understand, but I get the impression that you have no interest or regard for the truth at all. I find that quite ironic, since you seem to be under the delusion that you are committed to God, Christ, and the Bible as if they were the essence of the "truth".

[Brother Les]

=David M;56671]Hello Scott and Les
I find prophecy an interesting subject, although this has wandered from the original topic of this thread.


The OP subject was of Satan. 'Satan' was destroyed at the End Of The Age(s). When Satan....The Death .... and Hell/Sheol/Paradise were thrown INTO the Lake of Fire. The 'AGE(s) that is referred to is The Mosaic AGE and the Ages before that time period. The New Covenant Age has No End.


We cannot be certain of any precise date although there is much speculation around the dates between say 2015 and 2018. Isaac Newton has and end date of 2060. Some take this as the last generation and so 2060 - 40 leaves 2020 for the start of the last generation.

We do know for sure the final terminal generation of the old Heaven and Earth. That was the first century generation.
http://www.biblicalpreteristarchive.com/statements/101.htm

Jerusalem is still being trodden down although the old quarter we regained by the Jews in 1967. Jerusalem remains under threat from Iran and Syria etc.

This Jerusalem of today in the middle east means nothing to the Biblical paradigm. You are trying to refer to the 'times of the Gentiles'. All of that 'trod ding down' of the first century and to the end of The Jewish War (note: JEWISH WAR) was over when The Mosaic Temple was destroyed.


Les when you says AD70 was the end of the Mosaic Covenant, this would coincide with the destruction of the temple. Some think the date is actually AD68. Do you not think the old Covenant was replaced by the New Covenant at the time of Jesus' sacrifice when the New Covenant was sealed in with his blood.
If you believe that the New Covenant is in effect, (at The Cross, Pentecost or AD70) then there is absolutely no reason for any Christians (Jewish or Gentile) to support a dead OC or those professing to worship under the covenant of death (Which those of the Middle east Israel do not even worship under, but under Rabbinical 'Judaism').
Jesus said that He did not come to destroy the Law AND the Prophets, but to Fulfill them. He also said that not one jot or tittle shall pass from the L&P until Heave and Earth has passed away.

For a moment, think of the OC. It was given at Sinai as a "BETROTHAL" of the Mosaic Covenant marriage. Per what you just said (by the types and anti-types) the OC should have been given on the First Passover. Was the 'Reproach of Egypt' (type and anti-types) rolled away from 'Israel' as the time of the First Passover when the death angel passover The People? NO it was not, the 'Reproach of Egypt' (type) was rolled away from 'The People', 40 years after the first Passover (Joshua 5). This was (jos.5) the time of the OC Marriage.

In book of Hebrews the Hebrew writer writes [[To The Hebrews]] (all Israel) a new Covenant I give to you, the Old Covenant IS waxing old and READY to fade away. The Hebrew writer also states that as long as the Tabernacle IS standing, it (representing the Law and Prophets) HAS STANDING, ie. in full for of every jot and tittle for Every Hebrew, being they 'Messiahtains' (Christians) or only followers of the Temple Worship cultus.



Scott. I think the Devil of Rev 12:12 has to be seen in the context of what is taking place on earth. The symbols suggest that Devil is some earthly power/organization. With collapsing governments and religious powers like the Catholic church or the Muslims, we can expect to see events happening along these lines. The events taking place in the Middle East with Israel at the centre are signs leading up to the Great Day of the Lord and the return of Jesus. Bible prophecy is still being fulfilled as we speak.

Regards
David

Signs, signs....every where a sign. Did you miss the 1948-1988 'signs' (cough) (1990,1995,2000,2007,2012?) None of what is going on now has anything to do with the Biblical 'signs' of The Prophets of The coming of The Lord and The Judgments of The Lord. By looking for 'signs' 2,000 years after 'The Cross', you are in reality denying the words of the prophets to when that 'terminal' generation would be. You are reading someone elses mail and you need to read the Bible from a first person paradigm to whom the 'Letters' were written. The study of (I think it is) 16 different American agency's have the understanding and have come to the conclusion that the secular worldly country of Israel will not be in exsistance in 10 years. The Israelis are now having a civil war among themselves right now. It is reported that Israel have Nuked Syrian twice in the last several months and Syria has sunk on of their new German made submarines. Their high life secularism paid for by American money is making it easier and easier for the Arab population to assimilate them away from the apartheid state that they are.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The OP subject was of Satan. 'Satan' was destroyed at the End Of The Age(s). When Satan....The Death .... and Hell/Sheol/Paradise were thrown INTO the Lake of Fire. The 'AGE(s) that is referred to is The Mosaic AGE and the Ages before that time period. The New Covenant Age has No End.

I think that's the best fit to the biblical data, but there are problems with it. For example,

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

If the Devil was destroyed in 70 AD, then this passage has been meaningless for Christians for most of the last two thousand years. Why is it in the Bible? What good is it? It's actually deceptive since it has given Bible believing Christians good reason to think the devil was still active in the world, like when Peter said this:

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

If the Bible were really inspired, and the Devil really was destroyed in 70 AD, I would have expected it to be a little more clear on this point.



We do know for sure the final terminal generation of the old Heaven and Earth. That was the first century generation.
http://www.biblicalpreteristarchive.com/statements/101.htm

Yep - there are few things the Bible states with great clarity than the fact that the "end times" happened in the first century. Paul explicitly stated that the "ends of the ages" had come upon first century Christians.

The fact that the vast majority of "Bible believers" reject this point proves that they don't really believe the Bible at all. It is a great irony.



Signs, signs....every where a sign. Did you miss the 1948-1988 (cough) (1990,1995,2000,2007,2012?) None of what is going on now has anything to do with the Biblical 'signs' of The Prophets of The coming of The Lord and The Judgments of The Lord. By looking for 'signs' 2,000 years after 'The Cross', you are in reality denying the words of the prophets to when that 'terminal' generation would be. You are reading someone elses mail and you need to read the Bible from a first person paradigm to whom the 'Letters' were written. The study of (I think it is) 16 different American agency's have the understanding that the secular worldly country of Israel will not be in exsistance in 10 years. The Israelis are now having a civil war among themselves right now. Their high life secularism is making it easier and easier for the Arab population to assimilate them away from the apartheid state that they are.
Very well stated. By denying the first century fulfillment, they are denying the best evidence for fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and are aligning themselves with the skeptics and atheists who agree that the prophecies were not fulfilled in the first century. The ironic thing is that the skeptics and atheists are more faithful to what the Bible really says when they admit that it plainly states that the prophecies would be fulfilled in the first century.

And these people claim to believe the Bible? Hogwash!

[Scott]

How do you know that Christ died 4032 years after Adam? You don't. Your assertion is truly absurd since the Bible doesn't give any exact dates like that. At best, you can count up genealogies, but there is a problem. The genealogies only speak of years, they don't mention how many months. For example, when it says that "Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos" (Genesis 5:6) it doesn't say which month. It could have been in the first month, the twelfth month, or anywhere in between. Therefore, each generation introduces an uncertainty of six months on average. This means that after N generations, the most likely number of actual years would be N/2 more than those calculated by counting the numbers in the genealogies. And there are many other sources of errors. The genealogies contradict each other. For example, Luke inserts an extra generation in the genealogy from Adam to Noah. Which was used to calculate the date of 4032? And how do you know which year Christ was crucified? The Bible does not say. We need to use secular history and the best anyone can do is an estimate somewhere between 26-36 AD. Which date do you think is correct, and why?

All of this proves yet again that your number games are utterly meaningless. I wish there were a way to help you understand, but I get the impression that you have no interest or regard for the truth at all. I find that quite ironic, since you seem to be under the delusion that you are committed to God, Christ, and the Bible as if they were the essence of the "truth".

Im a "better safe than sorry" kind of guy, and if im wrong about this, im sure it wont cause irreparable damage to anyone,but it may help them turn to God sooner,and consider what their eternal destiny is going to be, and where it will be spent. A life that doesnt involve a loving God is meaningless. So it kinda looks to me, like your really the foolish one. We would all be interested to hear your big plan to rebel against the Creator of The Galaxies. Do you really think you can stand against him and get away with it,and use the fact that you didnt like the way he was running things, as your defence when you stand before him.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Im a "better safe than sorry" kind of guy, and if im wrong about this, im sure it wont cause irreparable damage to anyone,but it may help them turn to God sooner,and consider what their eternal destiny is going to be, and where it will be spent.

There are many problems with your comments. First, a person devoted to TRUTH does not so freely say things that are mostly likely not true. And certainly, a person devoted to truth would know that much harm can come from propagating error. It's like you don't even care about truth at all.

Falsehood is not going to help a person "turn to God". On the contrary, when folks devoted to TRUTH see Christians write so much crap that is obviously false, there is very good reason to think that that will cause them to reject your religion. Think about it - the truth is that Christianity tends to CORRUPT the minds and morals of believers. This is inevitable because believers are told that they will go to hell if they don't have the right beliefs, so they are threatened with eternal torment if they don't believe the right things. But many of the things that they are taught to believe are blatantly false, such as the idea that the bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God. Therefore, they must corrupt their minds and believe a blatant falsehood or risk eternal torment. This is how religion tends to corrupt the minds and morals of believers. I know you feel that you are under this threat because you talked about where people would spend eternity.



A life that doesnt involve a loving God is meaningless.

That comment is meaningless. You don't know anything about any "loving God" except what you have read in a book or imagined in your imagination. And how does a belief in a "loving God" make an otherwise meaningless existence suddenly become meaningful. If life is meaningless without God, how does God make it meaningful? I don't think you've thought about this much. It sounds like you are parroting the empty arguments you've heard from Christian apologists.



So it kinda looks to me, like your really the foolish one. We would all be interested to hear your big plan to rebel against the Creator of The Galaxies. Do you really think you can stand against him and get away with it,and use the fact that you didnt like the way he was running things, as your defence when you stand before him.

What a joke! How could I "plan to rebel" against someone I don't believe exists? I don't believe in any "Creator of The Galaxies" - I think it is totally obvious that they formed through natural law. They are spirals just like water flowing down a drain. It is absurd to think they were specially created. You really need to try to think more clearly about these things. You seem to be mimicking the silliest of the Christian attacks against those who don't share their delusions. No one with half a brain would "plan to rebel" against Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny because they don't exist. The same goes for Apollo, Krishna, Yahweh, and Zeus.

[Brother Les]

Richard posted:


Originally Posted by Brother Les
The OP subject was of Satan. 'Satan' was destroyed at the End Of The Age(s). When Satan....The Death .... and Hell/Sheol/Paradise were thrown INTO the Lake of Fire. The 'AGE(s) that is referred to is The Mosaic AGE and the Ages before that time period. The New Covenant Age has No End.

I think that's the best fit to the biblical data, but there are problems with it. For example,

Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

If the Devil was destroyed in 70 AD, then this passage has been meaningless for Christians for most of the last two thousand years. Why is it in the Bible? What good is it? It's actually deceptive since it has given Bible believing Christians good reason to think the devil was still active in the world, like when Peter said this:

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

If the Bible were really inspired, and the Devil really was destroyed in 70 AD, I would have expected it to be a little more clear on this point.


from Richard statement, "If 'the Devil' was destroyed in 70 AD, then this passage (Eph. 6:10) has no meaning for Christians for most of the last two thousand years"????

Richard, I know that your logic is better than that. Why are many passages in the Bible of the OT that were firmly written as 'fulfilled' in the NT? It is there for our learning. Why is there anything written and kept in the OT 'Bible' of the 'types' and 'shadows' (about Joshua/Christ) if we see and can read about the 'anti-types' and the Real in the NT about Joshua/Christ. Maybe it would be a little more clearer to the first century Temple Cultis, knowing full well when Daniels 70weeks were up, but many denied that also. Many 'Christians' 'today' as many 'Jews' of the first century are looking for a different 'type' of Kingdom that is Worldly, instead of the intended Spiritual Kingdom. Eph. 6: and 1 Peter 5 are fine where they are as they were intended to be. For our learning of the transition for the OC Age to the fullness of the NC Age.

Live long and be happy in all that you and Rose do, Richard.

Brother Les

[Brother Les]

Im a "better safe than sorry" kind of guy, and if im wrong about this, im sure it wont cause irreparable damage to anyone,but it may help them turn to God sooner,and consider what their eternal destiny is going to be, and where it will be spent. A life that doesnt involve a loving God is meaningless. So it kinda looks to me, like your really the foolish one. We would all be interested to hear your big plan to rebel against the Creator of The Galaxies. Do you really think you can stand against him and get away with it,and use the fact that you didnt like the way he was running things, as your defence when you stand before him.

Scott, you indeed are doing harm if anyone 'believes' you in your non-Biblical 'prophecies' of 'the end'. You destroy their faith of the Biblical truths the same way countless others have over the centuries from date predictions. Jesus told His disciples to never declare 'the end' until it was really the time of the end of the age.The Apostles were declaring during the second half of the first century that the end of the age had come to that generation and was even at the door. This makes it imposable to have any declaration of the end of the age by anyone after that first century generation. Why should anyone have 'faith' in you as a 'teacher' (in putting these numbers out you are 'teaching' of your belief system) if you stray so far from the first century Biblical teaching that was fulfilled per the Apostles writings and those OT Prophecies of fulfillment not written down by the Apostles, were written down after their fulfillment by secular writers, ie. Josephus with the Jewish Wars and the destruction of The Temple and The Law and the Land and The People is view. The NT does not talk about the Christian worlds destruction, it was just coming into being. The NT talks about the destruction of the Mosaic Worlds destruction (and all the Ages before that) that was still in full force up until the time of the burning of Jerusalem and the temple.

[Scott]

Scott, you indeed are doing harm if anyone 'believes' you in your non-Biblical 'prophecies' of 'the end'. You destroy their faith of the Biblical truths the same way countless others have over the centuries from date predictions. Jesus told His disciples to never declare 'the end' until it was really the time of the end of the age.The Apostles were declaring during the second half of the first century that the end of the age had come to that generation and was even at the door. This makes it imposable to have any declaration of the end of the age by anyone after that first century generation. Why should anyone have 'faith' in you as a 'teacher' (in putting these numbers out you are 'teaching' of your belief system) if you stray so far from the first century Biblical teaching that was fulfilled per the Apostles writings and those OT Prophecies of fulfillment not written down by the Apostles, were written down after their fulfillment by secular writers, ie. Josephus with the Jewish Wars and the destruction of The Temple and The Law and the Land and The People is view. The NT does not talk about the Christian worlds destruction, it was just coming into being. The NT talks about the destruction of the Mosaic Worlds destruction (and all the Ages before that) that was still in full force up until the time of the burning of Jerusalem and the temple.

Brother Les, If what you say about me causing harm is true [which it isnt, im allowed to try to understand prophecy,and explore, and share my findings like anyone else,and if i feel im right ill put it out there,just in case i am,] then you and i really have something in common.

Dont forget its all still in the debating stage, according to you and Richard...right. That why he has this website,to analize,and uncover the truth....at least thats what he says.