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derekkye
02-29-2008, 11:39 PM
I was viewing hebrew gematria stuff on this site and thought I'd share a little something.

It was shown that Israel in hebrew = 541 - which is the 10th star number. Well Jacob of course is Israel, and Jacob is the 22nd from Adam. Well T(22)= 253 = the 7th star number. Just another association of Israel to a star number. :)

Richard Amiel McGough
03-02-2008, 10:25 AM
I was viewing hebrew gematria stuff on this site and thought I'd share a little something.

It was shown that Israel in hebrew = 541 - which is the 10th star number. Well Jacob of course is Israel, and Jacob is the 22nd from Adam. Well T(22)= 253 = the 7th star number. Just another association of Israel to a star number. :)
Hi derekkye,

Good insight! I know there's "something" going on with Jacob as the 22nd after Abraham.

Here's a pic of the Star of Israel for those who don't know what we are talking about (see article here (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_541.asp)):

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/Israel541.gif

And I had not noticed that 253 is both T(22) and Star(7). That's particulary interesting because T(22) is the basis of the Logos Star:

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/LogosStar_22_7.gif

Richard

derekkye
06-13-2008, 10:36 PM
Hi derekkye,

Good insight! I know there's "something" going on with Jacob as the 22nd after Abraham.

Here's a pic of the Star of Israel for those who don't know what we are talking about (see article here (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_541.asp)):

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/Israel541.gif

And I had not noticed that 253 is both T(22) and Star(7). That's particulary interesting because T(22) is the basis of the Logos Star:

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/LogosStar_22_7.gif

Richard


Just noticed also the following: Genesis 1:1 as you know in hebrew totals 2701 = 37 * 73 - two star numbers. These two star numbers contain T(7) and T(10) respectfully. Star(7) and Star(10) we saw is related to Israel.


:)

Victor
07-25-2008, 11:10 AM
Out there on the Web I found a blog that recognizes the significance of Israel = 541. It is called the Star of David Blog and it makes the following comment:

Gershom Scholem, the most authoritative scientist in the field of the Star of David defined it as "the hexagram or a six-pointed star formed by two equilateral triangles which have the same center and are placed in opposite directions".

http://www.hashkafah.com/index.php?showtopic=12872&st=0

For a layman like me this sounds like a wonderful definition. But yesterday I found another definition that seems not less scientific: 6n(n-1) +1. I found this definition on the web site of Richard Amiel McGough's: Bible wheel.



In addition to this great formula Richard Amiel McGough's supplies his readers with numerological interpretations of the meaning of the Star of David. The one I liked the most was that the sum of the Hebrew letters in the word Israel is 541 and it is the same as the number of dots that appear in a Star of David in which n=10.

6n(n-1) +1

6.10=60

60.9=540

540+1=541



10 =I="yud"

300 =S="shin"

200 =R="reish"

1 =A="aleph"

30 =L="lamed"

541

(E is not counted since in Hebrew the A already covers this base).



According to scientific probability what are the odds that the number of dots in the emblem of Israel will equal the sum of the numerical value of the letters in the word ISRAEL? Amazing!

That's totally amazing, no doubt!
Victor

yinonyavo
07-25-2008, 01:02 PM
Romans 3:1-2 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were entrusted the oracles(logion from logos) of God.

Also remember, reflecting the exact idea in the above verse, the logos star fits exactly inside ("entrusted" inside so to speak) the 541 Israel star.

(as shown in the 1261 fractal star below, the logos star in red and the Israel star in BLUE. The red logos star falls exactly on the perimeters of the Israel star.

Richard Amiel McGough
07-26-2008, 10:26 AM
Romans 3:1-2 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were entrusted the oracles(logion from logos) of God.

Also remember, reflecting the exact idea in the above verse, the logos star fits exactly inside ("entrusted" inside so to speak) the 541 Israel star.

(as shown in the 1261 fractal star below, the logos star in red and the Israel star in BLUE. The red logos star falls exactly on the perimeters of the Israel star.
Excellent insight! Thanks Yinonyavo. BTW, where have you been? We've missed you. :hug:

Richard

yinonyavo
07-28-2008, 07:32 AM
Oh, I've been here. Just haven't had much to add lately. I also remembered about the 406 triangle that makes up the 541 star..........406 being the value of TAV, the cross.

Thanks for missing me;)

Richard Amiel McGough
07-28-2008, 04:40 PM
Oh, I've been here. Just haven't had much to add lately. I also remembered about the 406 triangle that makes up the 541 star..........406 being the value of TAV, the cross.

Thanks for missing me;)
Hey there yinonyavo,

Glad you posting again, you always have good insights.

Jewish tradition says that Tav (the Cross) is "king over grace." That fits well with the Gospel, doesn't it? And it is amplified by the fact that 406 = Tav Vav (the spelling of the name Tav) is a multiple of 58, the value of Chen (Grace). And it's not just "any old multiple" but rather, seven times grace!

Tav (Cross) = 406 = 7 (Perfection) x 58 (Grace)

And yet there is still more. The Greek word corresponding to the Hebrew Chen (Grace) is charis. Its value is 911, and when we multiply that by 7 (Perfection) we find the number 6377, which is the value of a very important Greek phrase ... (drumroll) ...

The Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ = 6377 = 7 x 911 (Grace)

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/GR/06377G_LordsCross_centered.gif

See more here: http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/GR_MultiplesOfSeven.asp

Thanks for stirring up my memory of these holy things!

Richard

Victor
07-28-2008, 07:01 PM
Romans 3:1-2 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were entrusted the oracles(logion from logos) of God.

Also remember, reflecting the exact idea in the above verse, the logos star fits exactly inside ("entrusted" inside so to speak) the 541 Israel star.

Impressive, yinonyavo! The Star of Israel is a perfect frame to the Logos Star! 373 "entrusted" in 541. So both Gematria Geometryperfect illustrate the very message of the Bible as found in Romans 3!

Victor

Victor
07-28-2008, 07:04 PM
Jewish tradition says that Tav (the Cross) is "king over grace." That fits well with the Gospel, doesn't it? And it is amplified by the fact that 406 = Tav Vav (the spelling of the name Tav) is a multiple of 58, the value of Chen (Grace). And it's not just "any old multiple" but rather, seven times grace!

Tav (Cross) = 406 = 7 (Perfection) x 58 (Grace)

And yet there is still more. The Greek word corresponding to the Hebrew Chen (Grace) is charis. Its value is 911, and when we multiply that by 7 (Perfection) we find the number 6377, which is the value of a very important Greek phrase ... (drumroll) ...

The Cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ = 6377 = 7 x 911 (Grace)

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/GR/06377G_LordsCross_centered.gif


Thanks for reminding of these identities! The Cross is the Perfection of Grace. And the same message is found in both Hebrew and Greek gematria!

yinonyavo
08-20-2008, 09:50 AM
I remember another interesting value in connection with the Logos star/Israel values. The logos star (373) fits inside the Israel star (541) with the left-over value of 168. (541-373=168)...there being 168 units "surrounding" or "entrusting" the logos star to make up the 541 star. IN the following verse the word translated as COVER is found just once in all scripture and has the value of 168:


Deu 33:12 And of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him; and the LORD shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders.

The larger fractal star in the illustration that is attached is the 1261 snow star(3 iterations of the 7 around one star). 1260 being a number associated with the number of days that evil has over the righteous expressed in various verses in Revelation. ....1261 then being the day of release; the day that the 1260 are over.

The 2-fold phrase mentioning the "word/commandments of God" and "the testimony of Jesus" is found exactly THREE times in the book of Revelation:

Re 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Re 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

the Word (logos) 373 + Jesus 888 = 1261

derekkye
09-19-2009, 01:18 PM
we now know that the Hebrew gematria for Israel = 541 = S(10)

Jacob in Hebrew = 182 = 91 X 2 = T(13) X 2

of course using the 2 T(13) triangles we can construct the star of David as the fifth star number S(5) = 121 = 11^2;

you might notice that S(5) = S(10/2)

perhaps RAM can verify this and display it with his more eloquent display skills

Jacob and Israel seem to be very related to triangle and star numbers to warrant further study

Richard Amiel McGough
09-19-2009, 01:50 PM
we now know that the Hebrew gematria for Israel = 541 = S(10)

Jacob in Hebrew = 182 = 91 X 2 = T(13) X 2

of course using the 2 T(13) triangles we can construct the star of David as the fifth star number S(5) = 121 = 11^2;

you might notice that S(5) = S(10/2)

perhaps RAM can verify this and display it with his more eloquent display skills

Jacob and Israel seem to be very related to triangle and star numbers to warrant further study
Facinating relationship derekye! I had not noticed that before.

Yes, I can verify it and add some insight. Consider the fifth Hex/Star pair:

S(5) = 121
H(5) = 61

Jacob = 2T(13) = S(5) + H(5) = the sum of the fifth Hex/Star pair.

And so we see a close geometric relationship between the name Jacob and Israel:

Jacob = S(5) + H(5)

Israel = S(5 + 5)

I don't have time to draw the graphics right now, but I think it would be a great idea.

Thanks for the insights.

Richard

Victor
09-19-2009, 01:59 PM
we now know that the Hebrew gematria for Israel = 541 = S(10)

Jacob in Hebrew = 182 = 91 X 2 = T(13) X 2

of course using the 2 T(13) triangles we can construct the star of David as the fifth star number S(5) = 121 = 11^2;

you might notice that S(5) = S(10/2)

perhaps RAM can verify this and display it with his more eloquent display skills

Jacob and Israel seem to be very related to triangle and star numbers to warrant further study


Facinating relationship derekye! I had not noticed that before.

Yes, I can verify it and add some insight. Consider the fifth Hex/Star pair:

S(5) = 121
H(5) = 61

Jacob = 2T(13) = S(5) + H(5) = the sum of the fifth Hex/Star pair.

And so we see a close geometric relationship between the name Jacob and Israel:

Jacob = S(5) + H(5)

Israel = S(5 + 5)

I don't have time to draw the graphics right now, but I think it would be a great idea.

Thanks for the insights.

Richard

Another amazing connection! Who could have contrived such structural similarity between the values of Jacob and Israel?

Richard Amiel McGough
09-19-2009, 02:08 PM
Facinating relationship derekye! I had not noticed that before.

Yes, I can verify it and add some insight. Consider the fifth Hex/Star pair:

S(5) = 121
H(5) = 61

Jacob = 2T(13) = S(5) + H(5) = the sum of the fifth Hex/Star pair.

And so we see a close geometric relationship between the name Jacob and Israel:

Jacob = S(5) + H(5)

Israel = S(5 + 5)

I don't have time to draw the graphics right now, but I think it would be a great idea.

Thanks for the insights.

Richard
It just occurred to me that God followed a similar pattern when He changed the names of Abram and Sarai. He took the Yod = 10 from Sarai and split it into two Hey's = 5 + 5 which He then inserted into their names:

Abram (243) ====> Abraham = 248 = 243 + 5
Sarai (510) =======> Sarah = 505 = 510 - 5

It seems very significant that God used similar patterns based on ten and two fives in the two cases when He changed these names.

Richard

Victor
09-19-2009, 02:11 PM
It just occurred to me that God followed a similar pattern when He changed the names of Abram and Sarai. He took the Yod = 10 from Sarai and split it into two Hey's = 5 + 5:

Abram (243) ====> Abraham = 248 = 243 + 5
Sarai (510) =======> Sarah = 505 = 510 - 5

It seems very significant that God used similar patterns based on ten and two fives in the two cases when He changes these names.

Richard

Mind-boggling! :brick:

Richard Amiel McGough
09-19-2009, 02:14 PM
Another amazing connection! Who could have contrived such structural similarity between the values of Jacob and Israel?
Good question! What could His name be? :p

derekkye
09-19-2009, 02:39 PM
good stuff :)

derekkye
09-19-2009, 02:56 PM
2 T(28) triangles to construct Israel Star
2 * T(28) = 812
Jacob = 182 - a permutation of 812...thought it was cute...:)

Richard Amiel McGough
09-19-2009, 03:03 PM
2 T(28) triangles to construct Israel Star
2 * T(28) = 812
Jacob = 182 - a permutation of 812...thought it was cute...:)
I've noticed some patterns involving permutations of digits that seem significant. Most notable is the Hex/Star pair of primes that define the value of Genesis 1:1 -

H(4) = 37
S(4) = 73

37 x 73 = Sum of Genesis 1:1

And these digits coalesce to give us the value of Logos (Word) = 373 from John 1:1. This is, of course, the Word of Creation. All three of these numbers - 37, 73, 373 - are primes. And this number has a geometric representation very similar to the Hex/Star pair of Genesis 1:1. It is the Logos Star - a fractal variation of the Star numbers:

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/LogosStar_WW.gif

Neverending wonder!

Richard

derekkye
09-19-2009, 03:26 PM
I remember another interesting value in connection with the Logos star/Israel values. The logos star (373) fits inside the Israel star (541) with the left-over value of 168. (541-373=168)...there being 168 units "surrounding" or "entrusting" the logos star to make up the 541 star. IN the following verse the word translated as COVER is found just once in all scripture and has the value of 168:


Deu 33:12 And of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him; and the LORD shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders.

The larger fractal star in the illustration that is attached is the 1261 snow star(3 iterations of the 7 around one star). 1260 being a number associated with the number of days that evil has over the righteous expressed in various verses in Revelation. ....1261 then being the day of release; the day that the 1260 are over.

The 2-fold phrase mentioning the "word/commandments of God" and "the testimony of Jesus" is found exactly THREE times in the book of Revelation:

Re 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Re 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

the Word (logos) 373 + Jesus 888 = 1261


hmmm...and 1261 = S(5 + 10)...just recognized that S(5) and S(10) realted to Jacob/Israel...

Richard Amiel McGough
09-19-2009, 03:57 PM
I remember another interesting value in connection with the Logos star/Israel values. The logos star (373) fits inside the Israel star (541) with the left-over value of 168. (541-373=168)...there being 168 units "surrounding" or "entrusting" the logos star to make up the 541 star. IN the following verse the word translated as COVER is found just once in all scripture and has the value of 168:


Deu 33:12 And of Benjamin he said, The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him; and the LORD shall cover him all the day long, and he shall dwell between his shoulders.

The larger fractal star in the illustration that is attached is the 1261 snow star(3 iterations of the 7 around one star). 1260 being a number associated with the number of days that evil has over the righteous expressed in various verses in Revelation. ....1261 then being the day of release; the day that the 1260 are over.

The 2-fold phrase mentioning the "word/commandments of God" and "the testimony of Jesus" is found exactly THREE times in the book of Revelation:

Re 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Re 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

the Word (logos) 373 + Jesus 888 = 1261
hmmm...and 1261 = S(5 + 10)...just recognized that S(5) and S(10) realted to Jacob/Israel...
The mention of the Commandments is interesting. Israel was given The Commandments on Tablets of Stone:

Israel = 541

The Commandments (HaMiztvot) = 541

Tablets of Stone = 541

The Judgment (To Krima, GK) = 541

There seems to be a theme developing ... :D

Here's my article on the Number 541 (http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/gr_541.asp).

derekkye
11-28-2009, 01:06 AM
so Jacob = 182 in Hebrew

1 / 2 = .5
8 / 2 = 4
2 / 2 = 1

hmm...of course 182 /2 does not equal 541, but there is a closeness

541 * 2 = 1082; again closeness between Israel = 541, and Jacob = 182

The way we do math isn't necessarily the only way to do math

David killed 200 hundred Philistines to acquire 100 foreskins - seems like one man = 1/2 foreskin