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inquirer
04-03-2013, 12:58 PM
These two pages seem to be talking about the same word (or words.)


כוס H3563 kowc / cup Gen 40:11 כוס kowc {koce} from an unused root meaning to hold together

http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.php?Gem_Num=86

And


to enfold, to keep in, hold in; to contain; a cup; a lot or portion
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1/hg0080.htm

My question (to Richard, or Steve, or anyone who really knows gematria) is whether there's a verb with the meaning of "to enfold, keep in, or hold together" with the same numerical value as the word for cup?

Would that be the "unused root"?

Is it's numerical value (like "cup") 86?

inquirer
04-09-2013, 06:09 PM
I know I'm a novice when it comes to Hebrew (and I could easily be misinterpreting what I've read), but could someone please tell me if there is such a verb (with the meaning of "to enfold, keep in, or hold together," and the gematria value OF 86)?

Richard Amiel McGough
04-10-2013, 08:30 AM
These two pages seem to be talking about the same word (or words.)


כוס H3563 kowc / cup Gen 40:11 כוס kowc {koce} from an unused root meaning to hold together

http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.php?Gem_Num=86

And


to enfold, to keep in, hold in; to contain; a cup; a lot or portion
http://www.billheidrick.com/works/hgm1/hg0080.htm

My question (to Richard, or Steve, or anyone who really knows gematria) is whether there's a verb with the meaning of "to enfold, keep in, or hold together" with the same numerical value as the word for cup?

Would that be the "unused root"?

Is it's numerical value (like "cup") 86?
A "root" is a part of a word that carries the "root" meaning and is combined with other elements to form different words. Etymologists categorize words according to roots. But some roots that once were used long ago are no longer used, and linguists speculating about the root might call it "unused."

The root of the word "koce" (cup) is unknown. The explanation listed on Bill Heidrick's site is copied from Strongs' Concordance, which is just a scholastic guess.

Yes, koce has a value of 86.

I don't know of any word in Hebrew that has the meaning and value you are asking about. But that's not a good way to do gematria anyway. You really can't do meaningful work with gematria if you don't know that language.