They have as king over them, in Greek Apollyon, in Hebrew Abbadon

[TheForgiven]

All right guys, lets see if we can figure this one out.

As we all know, Apollyon and Abbadon both mean, destroyer or destruction. According to popular present day Christian legion, this is the angel of the Abyss who is responsible for causing the deaths of whom ever is commanded to die by God.

Some Christian theologians consider Apollyon to be the Anti-Christ. Others actually consider him to be a figure of Christ. One such reason for this is a painting found in Italy of Christ with the angel Apollyon [I'll try to find it and post it on here] and they believe that the angel of the Abyss follows the commands of Jesus on who is to be judged and killed. I, for obvious reasons, doubt this to be the case.

In Revelation, we read that the scorpions [Figures for Roman Soldiers] have as king, the angel of the Abyss whose name is Apollyon in Greek.

Now applying this to a historical figure is easy with the Seleucid family. Antiochus III, the one who destroyed the temple and converted the temple into a shrine for the god of Jupiter (Zeus), was [according to legion] the son of Zeus. I'm not sure yet, but some theologians on the web are trying to find a family connection between Vespasian and his son Titus, to be the descendants of Antiochus. Some say that Domitian, the youngest brother of Titus, claimed he was Apollo incarnated. Apollo is the short name for Apollyon.

Here's what I'm currently working on. I'm trying to determine if Titus, or even his father Vespasian, had any blood relation to the Seleucid family. If so, this would certainly point the figure (Apollyon) towards the Flavian family. Vespasian was Emperor during the destruction of Jerusalem, and his two sons Titus and Domitian were the ones who carried its destruction.

When I find any information, I'll post it. Any information you might have would be awesome.

Lets get to work.

Joe

[MHz]

Antiochus III wasn't the first to cause death, the one below is and all those 'works' are still waiting to be undone.

Joh:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1Jo:3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Heb:2:14: Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb:2:15: And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Later

Wayne

[TheForgiven]

Antiochus III wasn't the first to cause death, the one below is and all those 'works' are still waiting to be undone.

Joh:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1Jo:3:8: He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Heb:2:14: Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb:2:15: And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Later

Wayne

Antiochus did cause death and sin to reign in Jerusalem. He tore down the alter of God and replaced it with the alter of Zeus. He also made it forbidden for Jews to practice circumcision. He also offered pigs on the alter of God, which spiritually signifies a Gentile's sacrifice, which was not lawful for him to do. How then do you not see the abominations he caused in Jerusalem?

The likeness happened again in 70AD, when Titus offered a pig next to one of the columns after the temple was destroyed. This was not lawful for him to do. Additionally, the destruction of Jerusalem occurs on the same day that Babylon conquered Jerusalem, as also testified by Josephus.

As for the rest of your post, I have no clue what your point was.

Joe

[MHz]

As for the rest of your post, I have no clue what your point was.

No point in going any further then.

[TheForgiven]

Richard I think this thread is also dead. There isn't enough historical information or facts to support this topic. Only old legions. If you can, this thread should be deleted as well.

But for closing arguments, Apollos (The Destroyer) is related to the Greek myth of Zeus, his grandfather. I haven't found anything yet, but I think there's a connection between Vespasian, Titus, and the figure Apollos. It was them who destroyed Jerusalem, so perhaps John was showing a picture of Antiochus being repeated in Titus.

Joe