Allegory

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We often think of an allegory as simply a symbolic or figurative story. That's correct as far as it goes, but many in the religious heirarchy are determined to discredit allegories by proclaiming them as "something which isn't true". Actually, the symbolic story is just a figurative way of telling the plain language story--in other words, the two stories are really the same.

Scripture doesn't use the word disparagingly however. The Apostle Paul uses the word "allegory" in Galatians 4:24 of the King James Bible when he writes concerning the Two Covenants, and the first two sons of Abraham. He writes: "which things are an allegory", meaning that Ishmael/Hagar were illustrating the Old Covenant and Isaac/Sarah were illustrating the New Covenant. Seeing the allegory of the two (2) covenants is just the beginning.

There are other covenants besides these two, of course, but it's important to recognize the contrasts and comparisons between the Old Covenant for the Jew under the Law, and the New Covenant for the Gentile is by Faith or by Grace.

Figures of speech, like metaphors or parables, often say things which aren't literally accurate, and allegories are in the same class. The symbolic story may use outrageous or incredible features to describe an actual event, and so both may be true if that's the author's intent. :thumb:.

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Allegory of the Cup.It nearly goes unnoticed in Genesis 44 when Joseph ordered that his own silver cup be "planted" in his younger brother Benjamin's sack -- no explanation is given anywhere in the Old Testament concerning why he would want to frame him and have him labeled as a thief. Joseph and Benjamin were full brothers; born of the supposedly barren Rachel who had died giving birth to Benjamin. In hindsight, their names: Joseph ("the Lord will add a son") and Benjamin ("son of the right hand") are clearly applicable to Jesus who wouldn't be born in Bethlehem for another two thousand years.

The psalms tell us how "my CUP runneth over", Ps23:5, so that we aren't ignorant of figurative "cups", but the allegorical clincher is when Jesus declares in the Garden of Gethsemane: "The CUP which my Father has given me--shall I not drink it"?

GOD gave Jesus the cup, just as Joseph gave the cup to Benjamin! That's the allegory! Now we're chewing on Eagle Food instead of regurgitated buzzard food!
The scripture "He was numbered with the transgressors", Isa53:12 & Mk15:28, reminds us that Benjamin wasn't really a thief (the cup had been PLANTED in his sack, and he wasn't involved in the bloody coat event) and of how Jesus was different from those he was crucified with... Joseph didn't reveal himself to his brothers on their first visit, but he told them they must surely have the little brother Benjamin with them when they returned. Likewise, the Jews didn't recognize their King, and if you don't have Jesus in your heart when He returns, you won't be going with Him! Amen? :thumb:

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Allegory of "The Bride".

The church is called the "body" of Christ in 1Cor12:27 and elsewhere, and many in the church also consider themselves as the "bride" of Christ because of Matthew 25:6 and perhaps 2Cor11:2.

Question is: Are the Body and the Bride one and the same?

Adam & Eve were not only created different (viva la difference!), but they were created DIFFERENTLY as well. Matrimony is positively a Bible doctrine and Adam's "bride" was taken from his own "body"--from his rib.

Jesus spoke of the temple of his "body" in Jn2:19 when he declared: "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up"! The Jews thought he was speaking of the physical structure known as Solomon's Temple, and were ignorant of the figurative or spiritual temple that He spoke of, but now we have the entirety of all sixty-six (66) books of the Bible and so ignorance is no excuse. ("Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost?...1Cor6:19).

If we're "wise virgins" we'll not only be like Mary in saying "Be it unto me according to thy Word", but we'll definitely want plenty of that Holy Spirit anointing oil that has been poured out from heaven as Peter tells us in Acts2:17. Be a vessel who's filled to the brim with the Living Water of Scripture and Jesus will still do his beginning of miracles by changing your(spiritual) water into (a NEW kind of) wine! But you won't be drunken "as they supposed"... (A reference to the Day of Pentecost, and to Noah after he imbibed the fermented grape-juice -- a reaction he hadn't experienced previously.

Seen as an allegory, King Solomon is representing our incredibly wise and diversified GOD and bridegroom with many wives and the ONE special Son! You think? :winking0071:

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:talk005: Folks sometimes pooh-pooh the allegories, claiming that anybody can interpret the Bible anyway they like. Well, yes... but the Bible teaches interpretation by way of the dreams and visions and the interpretation of them. In the New Testament it's one of the gifts (or manifestations) spoken of in 1Cor12.

In the two dreams of Joseph, it was his brothers and parents who interpreted them and accused him of being the sheaf of wheat and the star that they would bow to. The two dreams of the Pharaoh were similarly interpreted, and we learned how the two were one, and that seven years could be symbolized by seven cows as well as by seven ears of corn.

Then the Butler dreamed of a VINE which grew three branches bearing grapes. In the dream he took the Pharaoh's CUP and squeezed the juice into the cup. Joseph interpreted and told him his dream meant Life -- in three days the Butler would be restored.

Now the Baker dreamed something similar -- In his dream, he had three white baskets on his head and the birds were eating the bread (bakemeats) from the uppermost basket. Again Joseph interpreted, but this time the news was not good. In three days, he told the Baker, he would be taken out and hung. His dream meant death.

The three branches and the three baskets both meant three days according to Joseph. These two dreams might be considered simply strange (some might say charming), but they happen to also concern the bread and wine sacraments of the New Covenant. Is it really coincidence that the Communion Cup represents eternal life in Christ Jesus, and that it meant LIFE for the Butler?

But what about the bread, you ask? Well, of course Jesus is the true bread (John 6), and the way I see it is that the Baker had the wrong kind of bread in his top basket. You're entitled to your own opinion (or interpretation), but when the bread comes from your own head, you're dead!

The white baskets? Jesus spoke of the religious folks of his day who were like whited sepulchres which appear outwardly beautiful but were filled with dead men's bones. Mt23:27.

So it seems to me that the Life & Death dreams of the Butler and Baker is an allegory which teaches figuratively the truth of what Jesus said plainly. It adds a further dimension to the totality of the sixty-six books and how they all fit together. :thumb:

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Classic Allegory. 2Sam12

:attention: It's the familiar story of King David and how his affair with Bathsheba led to the murder of her husband Uriah, and it's a classic example of allegory. The man of God, Nathan, comes to David and tells him about a rich man with many flocks who takes a poor man's only lamb to serve to his guests. Apparently David didn't see it coming, and declared out of his own mouth how that the rich man should die for his actions. That's when Nathan said to him "Thou art the man"!

What a shocker! David must've recognized the allegory right away -- how it was Bathsheba who was the "lamb" that Uriah loved. Nathan went on to tell him about the consequences of his action and, to his credit, David acknowledged his sin against the LORD.

The story purposely leaves out motives, like 'Did Bathsheba willingly have the affair'? and 'What did she think when she learned her husband was back in town', but wasn't coming home. ? Not to justify David, but he'd wanted Uriah to come home and sleep with his wife and believe the baby would be his own. When that didn't happen it led to the elimination of Uriah the martyr. David wasn't technically guilty, but most readers understand the hidden truth of the matter.

Buzzard food?Are you hearing from a man of God? Have you confessed your sin against the Lord? If so, then receive the "sure mercies of David", Acts 13:34, and straighten up and fly right! That's the allegory! Now we're chewing on Eagle Food instead of regurgitated buzzard food! Amen? :thumb:

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UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL? Will we be in the generation that gets to see a mushroom cloud for ourselves? Someone has noted that the "gourd" which gave shade to Jonah (4:6) has a root which means "mushroom". He was angry that his dire prediction hadn't come to pass, and all those multitudes who didn't know their right hand from their left didn't get blown away.

And "also much cattle" is a conclusion which bodes well for our pets, don't you think? :hug: Jonah had warned that "Great City of Nineveh", but the New Testament speaks of the mighty city, Rev18:9, which even the ships at sea will be able to see burning.

:dizzy: The figurative interpretation is even more revealing than the literal, illustrating how the trip to the Promised Land for Israel is like the promise of Heaven for the NT believers, and how the 'rescue' of the Israelites from Egypt is a disguised way (allegorical) of how the NT salvation rescues us from a life of slavery to sin (Egypt) and enables us to become 'new creatures' living in Babylon! That is, surrounded by unbelievers, but feeding on the 'pulse' (Word of God) like Daniel and friends. Dan 1:16 KJV.

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:talk002: David, have you noticed this pattern?

The Joseph in Egypt had two sons.. So did Naomi in the Book of Ruth, and they were replaced by one daughter.. The one daughter in Matthew is Mary, and I'm convinced that her father was named Joseph, and he had NO SONS! Its a Genesis/Ruth/Matthew compilation--not random authors, but the Holy Ghostwriter in action!

And you say? :huhsign:

[David M]

:talk002: David, have you noticed this pattern?

The Joseph in Egypt had two sons.. So did Naomi in the Book of Ruth, and they were replaced by one daughter.. The one daughter in Matthew is Mary, and I'm convinced that her father was named Joseph, and he had NO SONS! Its a Genesis/Ruth/Matthew compilation--not random authors, but the Holy Ghostwriter in action!

And you say? :huhsign:

Hello Dux

I had not come across that pattern. I shall ponder on it.

I am not good at remembering genealogies though I have heard it explained as you say that Mary's father was named Joseph. The apparent discrepancy between the two genealogies of Matthew and Luke can be harmonized when little corrections like that of Mary's father is made.

The Bible is a rich book and full of lessons. Whilst we have allegory, we have the raw stories of real people. When those stories are scrutinized there are valuable lessons to learn about life. They are not boring biblical accounts of history. The Bible is an example of the total being greater than the sum of its individual parts.

A lifetime is not long enough to learn everything there is to learn from the Bible.


David

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Roger that, David, 'bout the richness of the Bible -- a real challenge that should be taken by each individual instead of following a crowd, to my way of thinking.
I first noticed the infant/children/adult (Eph4:14) pattern, and the many subjects which fit.

8=New beginning: a new WEEK, following the 7 days of Creation, might have occurred even before the 7th day Sabbath proclaimed. There may have been some haggling about the number of souls on the Ark, prior to the NT and 1Pet3:20..

All the best. /s/ dux

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Were you upset when the horse and rider were drowned in the Red Sea? :eek: Ex15:1.
Don't worry, God loves horses too, but HE uses animals as a teaching device--the Old Covenant characters are portraying "the oxen who grind out the corn of scripture" Ps78:24 (our spiritual food) and the horses are those of us who get to CHOOSE to whom we give our reins.

Have you given your reins to the LORD, and put a bridle on your mouth.. ? Ps7:9 :winking0071:

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:woah: Allegory of Simeon
He was the HOSTAGE, taken by Joseph to ensure they would return with Benjamin (son of right hand), and until the NT was written, we weren't able to see how WE are hostages awaiting the return of Jesus. Simeon (means 'hearing') was the 2nd born of Leah: because "Faith comes by hearing and hearing", Rom10:17.

Her firstborn was Reuben ('seeing', Gen29:32) who represents the OT and those who actually saw those tremendous miracles of the iron floating and the walls coming down.
Nowadays we mostly don't see those things, but we HEAR of them.. :pray:

Ps39:12 "Hear my prayer, O LORD, and give ear unto my cry; hold not thy peace at my tears: for I am a stranger with thee, and a sojourner, as all my fathers were".

Gen42:33 And the man, the lord of the country, said unto us, Hereby shall I know that ye are true men; leave one of your brethren here with me, and take food for the famine of your households, and be gone".. This is fig. of speech 'synecdote' whereby the one person 'Simeon' is representing the millions waiting for Jesus return. Remember how our language has been CONFOUNDED.

Gen42:34 And bring your youngest brother unto me: then shall I know that ye are no spies, but that ye are true men: so will I deliver you your brother, and ye shall traffick in the land.

Gen42:24 And he turned himself about from them, and wept; and returned to them again, and communed with them, and took from them Simeon, and bound him before their eyes.

1Cor10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Are we 'hearing' what the Scripture is saying? :aim14:

[sylvius]

:woah: Allegory of Simeon
He was the HOSTAGE, taken by Joseph to ensure they would return with Benjamin (son of right hand),

I thought he took Simeon, and not one of the other brothers, because Simeon was the one who took the initative to kill him, Genesis 37:18-19,



And they saw him from afar, and when he had not yet drawn near to them, they plotted against him to put him to death. So they said one to the other, "Behold, that dreamer is coming.


Rashi on Genesis 42:24,

Simeon: He [was the one who] had cast him into the pit. It was he who said to Levi,“Behold, that dreamer is coming” (Gen. 37:19).

Joseph was a lad by then, seventeen years old (Genesis 37:2)

Rashi:

and he was a lad: He behaved childishly, fixing his hair and touching up his eyes so that he would appear handsome. [From Gen. Rabbah 84:7]

That's what Simeon took offense on, he was the moralist.

Genesis 34:31,

Thereupon, Jacob said to Simeon and to Levi, "You have troubled me, to discredit me among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and among the Perizzites, and I am few in number, and they will gather against me, and I and my household will be destroyed." And they said, "Shall he make our sister like a harlot?"

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I thought he took Simeon, and not one of the other brothers, because Simeon was the one who took the initative to kill him, Genesis 37:18-19,
And they saw him from afar, and when he had not yet drawn near to them, they plotted against him to put him to death. So they said one to the other, "Behold, that dreamer is coming. Rashi on Genesis 42:24, Joseph was a lad by then, seventeen years old (Genesis 37:2)
Rashi:That's what Simeon took offense on, he was the moralist.
Genesis 34:31, Thereupon, Jacob said to Simeon and to Levi, "You have troubled me, to discredit me among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and among the Perizzites, and I am few in number, and they will gather against me, and I and my household will be destroyed." And they said, "Shall he make our sister like a harlot?"
:thumbsdown:Sylvie, that's NOT what Gen37:18-19 says. You kidding me?
What's the word for 'moralist' in Hebrew. And never mind using the name 'rashi'--he's no authority to me!
Do you suppose "when money fails" might be the next item on the agenda??
Gen47:15"And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth".

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:thumbsdown:Sylvie, that's NOT what Gen37:18-19 says. You kidding me?
What's the word for 'moralist' in Hebrew. And never mind using the name 'rashi'--he's no authority to me!
Do you suppose "when money fails" might be the next item on the agenda??
Gen47:15"And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth".

"Moralist" I actually took from the Baal Haturim.

The moralist's end was in Shittim, Numbers 25:1,

Israel settled in Shittim, and the people began to commit harlotry with the daughters of the Moabites.
v.6-8,
Then an Israelite man came and brought the Midianite woman to his brethren, before the eyes of Moses and before the eyes of the entire congregation of the children of Israel, while they were weeping at the entrance of the Tent of Meeting.
Phinehas the son of Eleazar the son of Aaron the kohen saw this, arose from the congregation, and took a spear in his hand. He went after the Israelite man into the chamber and drove [it through] both of them; the Israelite man, and the woman through her stomach, and the plague ceased from the children of Israel.

Rashi:

]through her stomach: Heb. קֳבָתָהּ, as in,“the jaw and the maw (וְהַקֵּבָה)” (Deut. 18:3). He aimed for the male organ of Zimri and her female organs and everyone saw that he had not killed them for nothing. Many miracles happened to him…, as it is related there (Sanh. 82b).


v.14,
The name of the Israelite man who was killed, who was slain with the Midianite woman was Zimri the son of Salu, the chieftain of the Simeonite paternal house.


Phinehas (Pinchas) is said to ahve been Elijah in his zealous act, Elijah the forerunner of the Messiah.

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Sylvie claims: Elijah the forerunner of the Messiah. :nono: NO, Elijah ate strange food like John the Baptist -- it was Elisha who was type of Jesus; who added the salt, and added healing to the poisoned pot..
The ten 'heads' of ten of the tribes, were called "Spies" by Joseph, and now everyone who reads the Bible is 'Spying out Heaven's Land' -- :p

[sylvius]

Baal Haturim,

"None of the names contain the letter Ayin, except Simeon. For that letter alludes to the verse Job 24:15, "v'ein (ayin) noeif shamrah geshef" = The eye of an adulterer waits for the twilight, an allusion to the immoral deed perpetrated by Zimri, the tribal prince of Simeon (Numbers 25)"

On Genesis 37:24 , THEN THEY TOOK HIM - "vayikachhuhu" - this word is spelled defectively (without a "vav"), indicating that it was only one of the brothers, Simeon, who physically took Joseph [to the pit]. Therefore, alter in Egypt, Joseph took Simeon from them.

I couldn't find back so quick that the Baal Haturim calls Simeon the moralist.

Same kind of thing you can find in NT:

Matthew 23:2-3,
The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.

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or
Romans 2:21
you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal?

[duxrow]

:confused2: What are you saying, Sylvie? The subject was Allegory of Simeon, so I'm not following your train of thought. :confused:

[sylvius]

:confused2: What are you saying, Sylvie? The subject was Allegory of Simeon, so I'm not following your train of thought. :confused:


Simeon was the moralist who murdered Shechem because of his making love with Dinah, and who wanted to kill Joseph because of his gay behaviour.

Yet he was also the one (in his descendant Zimri) who was ready to make love with a strange woman.

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:talk008: Am considering how we are 'like Simeon' in being a hostage awaiting The Return, and also hating rapist of sister Dinah.. Neither did Jesus intercede physically on behalf of others at Calvary, and seems to me that we can care for others, but not rapists, liars, thieves, etc. Wouldn't that be a case of "rightly dividing" ? :eek:

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:talk008: Am considering how we are 'like Simeon' in being a hostage awaiting The Return, and also hating rapist of sister Dinah.. Neither did Jesus intercede physically on behalf of others at Calvary, and seems to me that we can care for others, but not rapists, liars, thieves, etc. Wouldn't that be a case of "rightly dividing" ? :eek:


Matthew 7:1-5 seems to be about it:



1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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You got it right, Sylvie, but who said anything about 'judging'?
"Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated, saith the Lord". So aren't you glad your name isn't Esau? or Ghangis Khan or Hitler?

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You got it right, Sylvie, but who said anything about 'judging'?
"Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated, saith the Lord". So aren't you glad your name isn't Esau? or Ghangis Khan or Hitler?

Maybe I am not any better than them

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I doubt that, Sylvie -- However, there's always the chance they may have turned to the Lord in those final moments, so maybe we're both content in knowing we didn't personally end their careers. You think? :D

[sylvius]

I doubt that, Sylvie -- However, there's always the chance they may have turned to the Lord in those final moments, so maybe we're both content in knowing we didn't personally end their careers. You think? :D

I am not an expert in morals. I don't know.
Maybe it was a good thing if someone had killed Hitler in the 1930's.
Or maybe not.
Maybe after all anything is good.

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Fresh from the net:


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Rabbi Y. Ginsburgh ‏@RabbiGinsburgh 5m

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The Hebrew word for “ark” (תֵּבָה) also means “word.” Sometimes a compassionate word is all it takes to save an entire situation.

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cf. Matthew 8:8

But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say a word, and my boy will be healed".

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Fresh from the net:
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That's really good to know, Sylvie, Never heard that before!

So "Being in The Word" (the Bible), is like being in the Ark! Delicious! :signthankspin:

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The things written in the Old Testament were "for our LEARNING", Rom15:4. If the Pharaoh hadn't been so obstinate, but

had said "goodbye and good riddance" to the pesky ♫ Israeli's, then we would never have had the allegory and metaphor

of the Passover Lamb-of-God, Jesus! :cool3:

[David M]

Fresh from the net:


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Rabbi Y. Ginsburgh ‏@RabbiGinsburgh 5m

The Hebrew word for “ark” (תֵּבָה) also means “word.” Sometimes a compassionate word is all it takes to save an entire situation.

Why is it that when we look up Strong reference for the word "ark" or the word "word" we do not find any correlation?

I searched for the Hebrew word; תֵּבָה and was taken to the following link. http://biblehub.com/hebrew/8392.htm There is no mention of the meaning; word.

I do not find the any agreement with Rabbi Ginsburgh on any other website.

Moses was placed in an ark of bulrushes (a basket) the same Hebrew word for the ark which Noah built.

The word of God can be thought of as our ark of safety and deliverance, but there is no alternative meanings as said by the Rabbi. Just goes to show that we should not trust the word of men, however qualified they appear to be.

Of course, Strong does not get everything correct, so if you have a dictionary reference to תֵּבָה which supports the Rabbi, then please show it. I will alter my opinion based on reliable evidence.

[Snakeboy]

Such a curious object, the ark.

For such an important item that had been deemed to have incredible " special powers ", it's strange there are no contemporary extra-biblical references to it.

You'd think that the news or knowledge of such an item would be quite commonplace.

[David M]

Such a curious object, the ark.

For such an important item that had been deemed to have incredible " special powers ", it's strange there are no contemporary extra-biblical references to it.

You'd think that the news or knowledge of such an item would be quite commonplace.

The ark of the covenant has a different Hebrew word for ark which is used for Noah's ark. Strong's number is H727 for the ark of the covenant. Noah's ark, or that of the basket Moses was put in has the Strong number; H8392. Both Hebrew words have "box" as a common meaning.

If it is the ark of the covenant that disappeared and has been found beneath Mount Moriah, how will it be handled when it is finally brought out?

If the ark of the covenant has been placed in a stone sarcophagus with a lid on it, how was the ark placed in the sarcophagus? The ark of the covenant has been reported as seen, but its details have not been released.

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ARK #3. This golden boat was constructed of shittim wood, Ex25:10, and measured 2½ long by 1½ wide by 1½ high (cubits), Ex25:10, and was carried on the shoulders of the designated Levites. I'd have called it a box, or a chest, because it contained the (1) Golden pot of Manna, (2) Aaron's Rod that budded, and (3) Tables of the Covenant. Heb 9:4.

NO WATER!! :nono: They aren't even close to a lake! This third Ark is built according to God's specs, in the desert, a long way from any water. And covered with so much gold there's a possibility it wouldn't have floated anyway...??

This 3rd Ark signified the presence of God! Sometime's we hear it said that "You can't put God in a box -- He's sovereign and can do whatever He wants". Sounds good, but it isn't really true. God is not a man that he should lie, and He MUST conform to His Word. That's the box He's put himself in!

:talk002: Neither does God dwell in man-made structures--He wants to dwell in the "CHEST" of man -- in the heart of the believer! And He's truly a trinity of His Word (the tablets), and True Bread (the pot of manna), and New Birth (the Rod that budded). This chest isn't the physical kind that carpenters use or people eye-ball, but rather is the figurative or spiritual that is carried around and along by the five-fold ministry of Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers. Eph4:11.

[Snakeboy]

The ark of the covenant has a different Hebrew word for ark which is used for Noah's ark. Strong's number is H727 for the ark of the covenant. Noah's ark, or that of the basket Moses was put in has the Strong number; H8392. Both Hebrew words have "box" as a common meaning.

If it is the ark of the covenant that disappeared and has been found beneath Mount Moriah, how will it be handled when it is finally brought out?

If the ark of the covenant has been placed in a stone sarcophagus with a lid on it, how was the ark placed in the sarcophagus? The ark of the covenant has been reported as seen, but its details have not been released.

I've read most if not all the woo stories surrounding the various arks, I don't buy any of them as literal.

[David M]

I've read most if not all the woo stories surrounding the various arks, I don't buy any of them as literal.

Just as I do not buy your signature statement; "The worst thing about being attacked by mimes is that nobody will ever hear you yelling for help"


Have you thought how incorrect that statement could be? For starters, it assumes the attacked person is also a mime. It also assumes that mimes are deaf.

[Snakeboy]

Just as I do not buy your signature statement; "The worst thing about being attacked by mimes is that nobody will ever hear you yelling for help"


Have you thought how incorrect that statement could be? For starters, it assumes the attacked person is also a mime. It also assumes that mimes are deaf.

...damn you for sucking all the fun out of my day

*runs away sobbing hysterically*