Why did God do Satan’s bidding?

[Greatest I am]

Why did God do Satan’s bidding?

Christians are too religious to follow their moral sense and spiritual natures. Religion is directing your morals instead of your God given intelligence, moral sense and spiritual nature. I urge you to follow the teachings of spiritual teachers like Bishop Spong. A moral man.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfFcAmx-Ro&feature=relmfu

Galileo -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."

Job 2; 3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Fellow believers and Gnostic Christians like me; if you are a literalist or fundamental Christian or idol worship the God you have found in the Bible, I urge you to think of the story of Job and note from the wording that God is being manipulated by Satan. Satan bid God to move against Job without just cause and God did just that. God let Satan manipulate him.

I know that your mind set is to think that God is controlling Satan but as the wording and God’s actions clearly shows, this is not so. Satan ruled God that day.

Psa 5: 5 For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee. 6 The boasters shall not stand in Thy sight; Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 4 For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you.

As Job 2;3 shows, evil definitely dwells in God and definitely sojourn.

Some of you will say that regardless of the immorality of God’s actions, you can ignore them as you have a new covenant with Jesus. I see this as a cop out on your part. Jesus was not born divine. He had to become divine as we all must according to scriptures. These say he was a Rabbi only and had to force his apotheosis the way we all must through seeking God.

Job 25; 4 How then can man be just with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Hebrew 5; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

If a man did what God did to Job, Christians would soundly condemn that man yet you elevate God for doing the same immoral actions. You do so because your fear death and crave heaven but your poor moral position insures that hell will be your end result as immoral souls do not earn heaven. Let evil be in your heart as God does but remember that recognizing it is what is important. Not the fact that it is there.

Do you realize that your morality has been compromised by religion and that you are not following the law of God that is written on your heart?
You are giving God a pass when you should be giving him a fail, ---- just as you would give an evil man?

Let your spiritual nature guide you. Not a corrupted religion.

Regards
DL

[CWH]

Why did God do Satan’s bidding?

Christians are too religious to follow their moral sense and spiritual natures. Religion is directing your morals instead of your God given intelligence, moral sense and spiritual nature. I urge you to follow the teachings of spiritual teachers like Bishop Spong. A moral man.
How do you know Bishop Sprong is a moral man? Is it because he is a pastor and you are a gnostic Christian? Are all pastors and gnostic Christians moral?


Galileo -- "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
Neither do I believe so.


Job 2; 3 And the LORD said unto Satan: 'Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a whole-hearted and an upright man, one that feareth God, and shunneth evil? and he still holdeth fast his integrity, although thou didst move Me against him, to destroy him without cause.
God was using Satan to test Job's integrity and righteousness.


Fellow believers and Gnostic Christians like me; if you are a literalist or fundamental Christian or idol worship the God you have found in the Bible, I urge you to think of the story of Job and note from the wording that God is being manipulated by Satan. Satan bid God to move against Job without just cause and God did just that. God let Satan manipulate him.

I know that your mind set is to think that God is controlling Satan but as the wording and God’s actions clearly shows, this is not so. Satan ruled God that day.
God was using SAtan to test Job's integrity and righteousness. In the end did God destroyed Job? No, in fact He rewarded him with more children, respect and riches.


Psa 5: 5 For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee. 6 The boasters shall not stand in Thy sight; Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. 4 For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you.

As Job 2;3 shows, evil definitely dwells in God and definitely sojourn.

Some of you will say that regardless of the immorality of God’s actions, you can ignore them as you have a new covenant with Jesus. I see this as a cop out on your part. Jesus was not born divine. He had to become divine as we all must according to scriptures. These say he was a Rabbi only and had to force his apotheosis the way we all must through seeking God.
I see these as God using evilness to test men since men wanted to be like God knowing good and evil. Don't bosses test and assess their employees to find out how competent are they in their jobs?


Job 25; 4 How then can man be just with God? Or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
Hebrew 5; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

If a man did what God did to Job, Christians would soundly condemn that man yet you elevate God for doing the same immoral actions. You do so because your fear death and crave heaven but your poor moral position insures that hell will be your end result as immoral souls do not earn heaven. Let evil be in your heart as God does but remember that recognizing it is what is important. Not the fact that it is there.
God tests everything like a crucible to ensure those deserved what they reaped.

Proverbs 17:3
The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the LORD tests hearts.

Proverbs 27:21
The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and a man is tested by his praise.


Do you realize that your morality has been compromised by religion and that you are not following the law of God that is written on your heart?
Is the law in your heart perfect without error? Is so, you are biased for no one is perfect, if not you are equally immoral.


You are giving God a pass when you should be giving him a fail, ---- just as you would give an evil man?Who is the examiner that gives the marks to decide pass or failure? You? and based on your standards? OMG!


Let your spiritual nature guide you. Not a corrupted religion.
Is your spiritual nature perfect? If not, it is just as corrupted.

May God test our hearts to be righteous.:pray:

[Greatest I am]

How do you know Bishop Sprong is a moral man? Is it because he is a pastor and you are a gnostic Christian? Are all pastors and gnostic Christians moral?

I listened to his words. Moral men will point out the problems with Jesus.

Neither do I believe so.



God was using Satan to test Job's integrity and righteousness.

God knows all. God has no needs of tests.
This does not negate that God did harm without just cause.
His own admission.



God was using SAtan to test Job's integrity and righteousness. In the end did God destroyed Job? No, in fact He rewarded him with more children, respect and riches.

Wouls you be happy if God murdered your children and just replaced them?
I should need say no more if you have morals.


I see these as God using evilness to test men since men wanted to be like God knowing good and evil. Don't bosses test and assess their employees to find out how competent are they in their jobs?

Do you think you would be a better person if you did not know good and evil?
Neither did A & E so thank them for you not being as bright as a brick.

Did bosses create their workers to their own specification?
Apples and oranges.



God tests everything like a crucible to ensure those deserved what they reaped.

Proverbs 17:3
The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the LORD tests hearts.

Proverbs 27:21
The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and a man is tested by his praise.


Is the law in your heart perfect without error? Is so, you are biased for no one is perfect, if not you are equally immoral.

Who is the examiner that gives the marks to decide pass or failure? You? and based on your standards? OMG!


Is your spiritual nature perfect? If not, it is just as corrupted.

May God test our hearts to be righteous.:pray:

Then you show that God lacks confidence in what he produces and expects errors. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL

[CWH]

Then you show that God lacks confidence in what he produces and expects errors. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL
Yes, you are partially correct. All knowing does not mean God knows 100% everything. There are some variables that are difficult to predict. Same as what Paul said that the Gospel has been spread to the whole world to every creature. Did the Gospel really spread to the whole wide world and to every creature?...or is it just an exaggeration that the Gospel has spread to almost everyone in the almost all the known world? God do regret greatly for creating men and have to destroy them with a flood meant that he made a mistake. God decided to end King Hezekiah's life but later changed his mind when King Hezekiah repented shows that His decision can change based on certain unpredictable variables. God never said His creation is perfect but very good. If it is perfect, there should not be any error.

Genesis 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.


2 Kings 20 In those days Hezekiah became ill and was at the point of death. The prophet Isaiah son of Amoz went to him and said, “This is what the Lord says: Put your house in order, because you are going to die; you will not recover.”

2 Hezekiah turned his face to the wall and prayed to the Lord, 3 “Remember, Lord, how I have walked before you faithfully and with wholehearted devotion and have done what is good in your eyes.” And Hezekiah wept bitterly.

4 Before Isaiah had left the middle court, the word of the Lord came to him: 5 “Go back and tell Hezekiah, the ruler of my people, ‘This is what the Lord, the God of your father David, says: I have heard your prayer and seen your tears; I will heal you. On the third day from now you will go up to the temple of the Lord. 6 I will add fifteen years to your life. And I will deliver you and this city from the hand of the king of Assyria. I will defend this city for my sake and for the sake of my servant David.’”

God Bless His Creations.:pray:

[Greatest I am]

All knowing is not all knowing. Ok.

There goes one of the great omnis.
Are there any more of Christian dogma and tradition that you would like to denounce before we continue?

How about your whole man made and man created God?

Regards
DL

[David M]

The title of this thread started by Greatest I Am is taking us to the Book of Job in which Satan appears as one of the characters in the story presented.

To answer the question in the title, is to understand the Book of Job and properly understanding the book of Job is where our difficulty begins. I recommend listening to a presentation given by Mr. John Pople. Mr Pople has read over 40 expositions of the Book of Job and having done a vast amount of study and research gives us the benefit of his explanation. It is still up to each one of us to listen to what is said and make up our own minds, but if we cannot agree with John Pople's explanation, we have to have very good reasons from scripture to support our own explanation.


The six-part series presenting an exposition of the Book of Job can be found here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGuDNd-U_gY&list=PLMSbe8IQfT69iDbliZLxKxb_lQbfKCfSp)

A book produced by John Pople is available for free on Google Books here (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=lE47SiuN5bYC&pg=PP1&lpg=PP1&dq=John+Pople+Exposition+of+Book+of+Job&source=bl&ots=jQqPetamyt&sig=WG8fV-RLtp6XpZQTlchOB3mtKo0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p-PEU9yyHfLQ7AbX7oDgCw&ved=0CFkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=John%20Pople%20Exposition%20of%20Book%20of%20Job&f=false). The book gives more information than was time to include in the video presentation.

An eight page synopsis of the book can be found here (http://wcfoundation.org/downloads/pople_job_book_synopsis.pdf)

A place to buy the book is this (http://www.lulu.com/gb/en/shop/john-pople/to-speak-well-of-god-an-exposition-of-the-book-of-job/paperback/product-6437311.html)

An independent review says this; "After reading this book I have changed the way I study and It's a good thing I finally know what Job is all about. Great reading!"

[Domenic]

John Sprong a good, or bad man? Why have him replace Jesus? Is Sprong a good Christian? What does he do for a living? Is he a plummer, Baker, candlestick maker? No, he makes his money by teaching Gods word. What does the Bible say about making money by of serving God?
Matthew 8-11 "You receive freely, give freely." Anything you do for God must not be for money...you do it because you are a servant of the most High, and commanded to serve.

"Praise the Lord good people..send in $1,000 and save ten people from a hell of fire." "Yeah right...okay...quak, quak. Should I send more?" I'm not saying John Sprong is a bad person...but he is selling Gods word, and he don't even get it right.

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John Sprong a good, or bad man? Why have him replace Jesus? Is Sprong a good Christian? What does he do for a living? Is he a plummer, Baker, candlestick maker? No, he makes his money by teaching Gods word. What does the Bible say about making money by of serving God?
Matthew 8-11 "You receive freely, give freely." Anything you do for God must not be for money...you do it because you are a servant of the most High, and commanded to serve.

"Praise the Lord good people..send in $1,000 and save ten people from a hell of fire." "Yeah right...okay...quak, quak. Should I send more?" I'm not saying John Sprong is a bad person...but he is selling Gods word, and he don't even get it right.

Perhaps not but he does show a moral and more intelligent way to think as compared to what Christians think.

When God says that Satan moved him to destroy without cause, is God admitting to doing evil?

Regards
DL

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David

Good find.

Regards
DL

[David M]

Perhaps not but he does show a moral and more intelligent way to think as compared to what Christians think.

When God says that Satan moved him to destroy without cause, is God admitting to doing evil?

Regards
DL

In part. This is what God says (Isaiah 45:7); I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


Anything which God does that affects us and is not to our personal benefit we might consider as evil. Does that mean God is bad? No!

We have to understand who the Satan was and why God was moved. God's enemy is; the carnal mind of man (Romans 8:7). The story of Job involving Satan has to be understood in the context of God's contention with man's carnal mind, or vice versa.

I will simply point you to a six-part video series dealing with an exposition of the Book of Job. You do not have to agree with every suggestion the speaker gives, but if you disagree, then you have to be able to put up your own argument based on scripture.

Here is the link to the first part of the series; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51gUjKwZ1Q

[Judith]

Hi DL -

In light of your comments about God, I think it's quite revealing when
contrasting your comments with Job's -

Job 1:22: In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

Blessings,

Judith

[Greatest I am]

In part. This is what God says (Isaiah 45:7); I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


Anything which God does that affects us and is not to our personal benefit we might consider as evil. Does that mean God is bad? No!

We have to understand who the Satan was and why God was moved. God's enemy is; the carnal mind of man (Romans 8:7). The story of Job involving Satan has to be understood in the context of God's contention with man's carnal mind, or vice versa.

I will simply point you to a six-part video series dealing with an exposition of the Book of Job. You do not have to agree with every suggestion the speaker gives, but if you disagree, then you have to be able to put up your own argument based on scripture.

Here is the link to the first part of the series; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P51gUjKwZ1Q

I do not have the time you seem to have.

I do thank you for your honest reply showing that God is responsible for all evil.

I agree and Job 2;3 says that God agrees and knows that he is evil and a sinner.

He was a murderer from the beginning.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Hi DL -

In light of your comments about God, I think it's quite revealing when
you contrast your comments with Job's -

Job 1:22: In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

Blessings,

Judith

Perhaps he realized that God had already condemned himself in the eyes of those with decent morals.

Regards
DL

[David M]

I do not have the time you seem to have.

I do thank you for your honest reply showing that God is responsible for all evil.

I agree and Job 2;3 says that God agrees and knows that he is evil and a sinner.

He was a murderer from the beginning.

Regards
DL
My reply is quoting the verse in which God says; "I create evil", which is not the same as saying; "I am evil" which is what you say of God and is incorrect (as far as I and others understand God's word), so please do not put your words in my mouth.

I know you probably do not want to see the difference between the two sentences above. The fact is, God might do something you do not like and you think is bad, and another person can see God was acting justly and true to his Word.

How you want to understand God's word is dependent upon your attitude, which was the subject of another thread in which "attitude" is man's problem.

[Greatest I am]

My reply is quoting the verse in which God says; "I create evil", which is not the same as saying; "I am evil" which is what you say of God and is incorrect (as far as I and others understand God's word), so please do not put your words in my mouth.

I know you probably do not want to see the difference between the two sentences above. The fact is, God might do something you do not like and you think is bad, and another person can see God was acting justly and true to his Word.

How you want to understand God's word is dependent upon your attitude, which was the subject of another thread in which "attitude" is man's problem.

Yes we have horrible attitudes.

Like calling out your genocidal son murderer for his sins.

Shame on us who do not believe as you do.

WE SHOULD ALL DO LIKE YOU AND IGNORE ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS AND CALL THEM GOOD.

Regards
DL