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David M
09-18-2012, 09:28 AM
Comparison of the texts in the four gospels and 1 Corinthians from the time of the resurrection of Jesus to when he ascends into Heaven.
This is my reply to the Dan Barker challenge. The sequence of all the records has been maintained and divided to show a continuous timeline. The commentary can be extended in order to make one flowing text to make a complete story to include all the facts in sequence.

I think this has achieved the goal though I am prone to mistakes and I expect these will be pointed out as they are spotted.

Please use this as a basis for improvement if you find an error.

Alas, all the color formatting and some of the layout has been lost by importing this from word document. I will attach a pdf for you to download and open so as to make the table a little clearer and you can compare the spoken words to see where the text lines up




Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
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28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene
16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene,

20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Mary Magdalene is first on the scene at the tomb having set off in the dark before dawn and it was by dawn or first light when she arrives.





2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
Mary goes back not having seen anyone in the tomb and tells Peter


(1) and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
(1) and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

The other women arrive at the tomb later than Mary Magdalene and Mary Magdalene has gone to tell Peter what she had seen. Both Marys were present at the tomb but not at the same time.



2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.



After the end of the Sabbath after sunset in the evening and before Mary Magdalene arrives at the tomb in the morning there is an earthquake and the stone is rolled away and the guards flee as they see two of God’s Angels sitting on top of the stone and the open tomb. This could have happened at the same time as Mary was making her way to the tomb. She probably felt the earthquake some distance away before reaching the tomb.



3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?


As the women were nearing the tomb they wondered who would open it for them, not knowing the tomb had been opened already.



4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

The women now arrive at the tomb and the stone is rolled away but no signs of the Angels sitting on the stone. They are out of sight.



5 And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

The women did not find the body of Jesus, only one Angel of God, who looked like a young man sitting on the right side of the tomb where Jesus had been laid. This affrighted the women.


5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
6 And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.


This first Angel is talking with the women telling them not to fear and that Jesus is risen from the dead

The women are deep in thought wondering about this.




4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

Two more Angels , the same as had been sitting on the stone come into the tomb and startle the women who are preoccupied in discussion.




5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

The women became afraid again at the appearance of these two Angels, who then proceeded to ask the women a question.


7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.
6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,
7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
8 And they remembered his words,

The women remembered the words of Jesus as these Angels quoted his words saying that Jesus would be crucified and the third day rise again.


8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.


The women depart to go their separate ways. The women do as as instructed by the Angels but take their time are to go and find the other disciples to remind them they are to meet Jesus in Galilee.




9 And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest.
10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.






12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
Peter had probably not believed Mary Magdalene and it was only later when other reports came from some of the other women that Peter decides to go and investigate for himself.

Some disciples did not believe but Peter was keen to find out and goes to the tomb.
Peter arrives at the tomb by running as quickly as he could. He got there second. The women were all gone by the time he got there.
The Angels had also departed from that place.


The first disciple saw the linen cloths and napkins lying in their places but no body of Jesus and would not enter the tomb.

Peter enters the tomb and sees the clothes and the first disciple decides to follow Peter into the tomb.

Peter and the other disciple return home.



9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.


Jesus is risen but no one had seen him and did not know where he was. He makes his first appearance to Mary Magdalene.





11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Mary had returned with Peter probably arriving after Peter had left and was making his way home. Mary when she got there saw the two Angels standing inside the tomb.

Jesus at this time reveals himself to her.



10 And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.


After Mary Magdalene’s meeting with Jesus she goes and tells the other disciples while they were weeping and mourning the death of Jesus.


9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.



After Mary Magdalene, Some of the other women receive a visit from Jesus before they had found the disciples. Jesus tells them to go and tell his brethren to meet him in Galilee.





18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
Mary Magdalene returns after speaking with Jesus and joins the other women who had returned earlier to tell the disciples. Mary Magdalene and the women were able to tell the disciples later that they had all seen and spoken with Jesus.



11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.


Mary’s story and that of the other women is received with scepticism and the disciples do not believe them


11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and showed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.



While the women were returning before they had met the disciples, some of the watch who had been on guard duty and who had panicked and fled, returned to the city to tell the chief priests. These men received money as a bribe to go and spread a lie that the body of Jesus had been stolen by his disciples.



12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
(1 Corinthians 16:5)


After Jesus had appeared to Mary and the women at separate times and the disciples did not believe their stories, Jesus meets up with two disciples returning home the first disciple was Peter.



13 And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.


The few disciples who these two disciples told did not believe them.




13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34 Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35 And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.

Jesus then went and met two more disciples as they were returning to their village of Emmaus and Jesus communed with them and opened their eyes and they recognized him when Jesus broke bread with them later that day.


16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he showed them his hands and his feet.
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
20 And when he had so said, he showed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whosoever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
The disciples had gone to Galilee as instructed and some of the disciples were not in the room when Jesus appeared to them.


Thomas of the eleven disciples, who had gone to Galilee, was the only disciple not to be present in the room when Jesus first appeared to them all.

Jesus shows them his hands and feet and speaks of many things including what the disciples must go and do to spread the gospel.





24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
The disciples meet up with Thomas after the event and tell him that they had seen Jesus.

Thomas would not accept their testimony unless he had seen Jesus for himself.





26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
After 8 days when Jesus last appeared to the disciples (except Thomas), Thomas now has the opportunity to touch and feel Jesus and to prove to himself that Jesus is risen from the dead.





21:1 After these things Jesus showed himself again to the disciples at the sea of Tiberias; and on this wise showed he himself.
2 There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples.
3 Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.
4 But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: but the disciples knew not that it was Jesus.
5 Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
6 And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.
7 Therefore that disciple whom Jesus loved saith unto Peter, It is the Lord. Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was naked,) and did cast himself into the sea.
8 And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes.
9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread.
10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.
11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.
Some days later Jesus comes to the disciples again while they are fishing in the Sea of Tiberius.

This was the third time of Jesus appearing to all of his disciples at once.




41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
12 Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.
13 Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.






14 This is now the third time that Jesus showed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.





50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.
51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

This third and last meeting with his disciples concludes at Bethany and they witness the ascension of Jesus. Jesus is taken up to Heaven passing through heaven and is taken out if their sight (Acts 1: ) as he disappears behind a cloud.





23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
After Jesus had ascended into Heaven to Heaven to be with his Heavenly Father, a saying went abroad that the disciple should not die.

This is not what Jesus meant in the short-term, but they would not die a lasting death, but would be raised in the day of resurrection.




David

Richard Amiel McGough
09-18-2012, 10:45 AM
Comparison of the texts in the four gospels and 1 Corinthians from the time of the resurrection of Jesus to when he ascends into Heaven.
This is my reply to the Dan Barker challenge. The sequence of all the records has been maintained and divided to show a continuous timeline. The commentary can be extended in order to make one flowing text to make a complete story to include all the facts in sequence.

I think this has achieved the goal though I am prone to mistakes and I expect these will be pointed out as they are spotted.

Please use this as a basis for improvement if you find an error.

Alas, all the color formatting and some of the layout has been lost by importing this from word document. I will attach a pdf for you to download and open so as to make the table a little clearer and you can compare the spoken words to see where the text lines up

Great effort David!

There is only one more step required to meet the challenge. You need to take those 165 verses and write a narrative in chronological order with whatever bracketed explanatory text is needed to make it work. This will make it easier to see if it makes any sense. I will use the information in your table to show you what must be done.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene [went to the tomb alone] and [later] Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

I find this very difficult to believe. Any normal reading of the text has the women going to the tomb together. If that's not what the text means, then what happens to the rest of the Bible? If it is filled with meanings so contrary to the plain meaning, how could we have any confidence we understand any of it?

And then I get confused when I try to harmonize this with John's account because :
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. 2 Then [after an angel tells her and the other women that Jesus had risen and that they should "go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead"] she [alone? the verb is singular] runneth [with the other women who likewise "departed quickly" with "great joy"], and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Now there are many problems here. According to your timeline, Mary completely disregarded what the angel said and did not tell Peter that Jesus had risen, but rather said "We know not where they have lain him" which implies she thought he was still dead. Furthermore, the text says that Mary was filled with "great joy" after learning that Jesus had risen and that she and the other women should go tell the disciples the good news, but in fact she said nothing like that to Peter and appeared distressed at not knowing where the dead body of Jesus had been moved to. And there are many other obvious difficulties and contradictions that I'm sure you can see for yourself.

So thanks for trying, but it looks like you have not come near to finding a solution. I hope you continue with your effort. But again, making tables doesn't help. They only hide the confusion. The only way to meet the challenge is to write a coherent chronological narrative with bracketed comments.

David M
09-18-2012, 01:24 PM
Great effort David!

There is only one more step required to meet the challenge. You need to take those 165 verses and write a narrative in chronological order with whatever bracketed explanatory text is needed to make it work. This will make it easier to see if it makes any sense. I will use the information in your table to show you what must be done.
Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene [went to the tomb alone] and [later] Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. 2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

I find this very difficult to believe. Any normal reading of the text has the women going to the tomb together. If that's not what the text means, then what happens to the rest of the Bible? If it is filled with meanings so contrary to the plain meaning, how could we have any confidence we understand any of it?

And then I get confused when I try to harmonize this with John's account because :
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. 2 Then [after an angel tells her and the other women that Jesus had risen and that they should "go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead"] she [alone? the verb is singular] runneth [with the other women who likewise "departed quickly" with "great joy"], and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

Now there are many problems here. According to your timeline, Mary completely disregarded what the angel said and did not tell Peter that Jesus had risen, but rather said "We know not where they have lain him" which implies she thought he was still dead. Furthermore, the text says that Mary was filled with "great joy" after learning that Jesus had risen and that she and the other women should go tell the disciples the good news, but in fact she said nothing like that to Peter and appeared distressed at not knowing where the dead body of Jesus had been moved to. And there are many other obvious difficulties and contradictions that I'm sure you can see for yourself.

So thanks for trying, but it looks like you have not come near to finding a solution. I hope you continue with your effort. But again, making tables doesn't help. They only hide the confusion. The only way to meet the challenge is to write a coherent chronological narrative with bracketed comments.

Thank you Richard for your input. You raise a valid point, I knew I posted the result too early. I almost made the mistake of having Peter go to the tomb twice. I think on reflection, I can better explain Mary Magdalene's movements by having her arrive first and seeing an empty tomb and going off to tell Peter. The two Marys went to the tomb but not at the same time.

I have done what I stated and that is enough for me (at the moment). Until we get all the problems out of the way, I do not intend to write a flowing essay. I can see the timeline fits together and because it all fits, suitable words can be found to explain and link the separate events. I have partly done this with some of the comments in the right-hand column. I know I have not completed the challenge in the way required by Dan Barker, but Dan Barker said (if I am correct) that he could not get it all to fit together and that whichever way he looked at it, he could not get it all to fit.

I have looked at this today (longer than expected) and I see how it fits together and have it in sequence split across the four Gospel records; similar to what I did with the Olivet Discourse. I shall leave the more literary amongst the forum users to write the flowing words if they want to. It is job done as far as I am concerned.
Thanks again for spotting the confusion over Mary Magdalene.

I have edited the table to suit and changed the pdf. to correspond. Let's see what other problems you or others can find.

All the best

David

Richard Amiel McGough
09-18-2012, 01:43 PM
Thank you Richard for your input. You raise a valid point, I knew I posted the result too early. I almost made the mistake of having Peter go to the tomb twice. I think on reflection, I can better explain Mary Magdalene's movements by having her arrive first and seeing an empty tomb and going off to tell Peter. The two Marys went to the tomb but not at the same time.

I have done what I stated and that is enough for me (at the moment). Until we get all the problems out of the way, I do not intend to write a flowing essay. I can see the timeline fits together and because it all fits, suitable words can be found to explain and link the separate events. I have partly done this with some of the comments in the right-hand column. I know I have not completed the challenge in the way required by Dan Barker, but Dan Barker said (if I am correct) that he could not get it all to fit together and that whichever way he looked at it, he could not get it all to fit.

I have looked at this today (longer than expected) and I see how it fits together and have it in sequence split across the four Gospel records; similar to what I did with the Olivet Discourse. I shall leave the more literary amongst the forum users to write the flowing words if they want to. It is job done as far as I am concerned.
Thanks again for spotting the confusion over Mary Magdalene.

I have edited the table to suit and changed the pdf. to correspond. Let's see what other problems you or others can find.

All the best

David
Hey there David,

I understand that writing a full harmony would be a lot of work. But why not try just harmonizing the first few verses? That makes the project manageable and will probably prove the impossibility of the whole program. I mean, if we can't write a simple narrative of the first few verses, then there's no need to bother with the rest.

All the best,

Richard

David M
09-18-2012, 01:58 PM
Hey there David,

I understand that writing a full harmony would be a lot of work. But why not try just harmonizing the first few verses? That makes the project manageable and will probably prove the impossibility of the whole program. I mean, if we can't write a simple narrative of the first few verses, then there's no need to bother with the rest.

All the best,

Richard

Having altered the table mow to show MM arriving at the tomb first and leaving as the other women arrive or before they arrive makes more sense. The first few verses are straight forward, even you should recognize this now. I don't claim to be able to solve all the difficulties, but if you find the problems, I will try to solve them.

All the best,

David

Richard Amiel McGough
09-18-2012, 02:12 PM
Having altered the table mow to show MM arriving at the tomb first and leaving as the other women arrive or before they arrive makes more sense. The first few verses are straight forward, even you should recognize this now. I don't claim to be able to solve all the difficulties, but if you find the problems, I will try to solve them.

All the best,

David

David, if you try to write a brief narrative using your new assumptions, you will find that they don't work. I did it for you the first time. It would be good if you tried to do it yourself. We can take turns if you like.

It's really important to take a few minutes to write the narrative because it quickly exposes the contradictions.

Cheers,

Richard

Richard Amiel McGough
04-20-2014, 04:23 PM
David, if you try to write a brief narrative using your new assumptions, you will find that they don't work. I did it for you the first time. It would be good if you tried to do it yourself. We can take turns if you like.

It's really important to take a few minutes to write the narrative because it quickly exposes the contradictions.

Cheers,

Richard
Well now, this thread died long ago. David didn't even try to produce a coherent narrative of the events. I invite David (and all believers) to present a narrative of what actually happened in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If that can't be done, why should anyone believe it really happened?