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culi26
06-27-2012, 08:36 AM
This topic is for those wishing to learn the truth about the position of the woman in Islam, especially for Rose!

By the fear that it would be boring to read a very long text, we will begin first with the marriage of women in Islam!
Then in the following days we will inform you (inshaAllah) to the other fields such as education, employment, financial matters, etc.

Marriage in Islam

Islam considers marriage as a solemn family relationship between a man and a woman, based on mercy and love.
Under Islamic law, marriage was no longer viewed as a "status" but rather as a "contract", in which the woman's consent was imperative.

The Prophet(pbuh) has stated:

"Marriage is the basis for blessings and children are an abundance of mercy."

"A woman is normally sought as a wife for her wealth, beauty, nobility, or religiousness (adherence to Islam), but choose a religious woman and you will prosper.

"The whole world is a provision, and the best object of benefit of the world is the pious woman. "


Can a woman be forced into marriage in Islam?

Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"

So according to Noble Verse 4:19, a woman can not be forced into marriage by any mean.

The Prophet(pbuh) has stated:

"A woman without a husband (or divorced or a widow) must not be married until she is consulted, and a virgin must not be married until her permission is sought. They asked the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him): How her (virgin's) consent can be solicited? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Her silence is her permission." (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3303)"

Narrated AbuHurayrah: "The Prophet (pbuh) said: An orphan virgin girl should be consulted about herself; if she says nothing that indicates her permission, but if she refuses, the authority of the guardian cannot be exercised against her will. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2088)"

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet(pbuh) allowed her to exercise her choice.


Behaviour within marriage

The Qur'an considers the love between men and women to be a Sign of God.[Quran 30:21] Husbands are asked to be kind to their wives and wives are asked to be kind to their husbands.

"The Prophet(pbuh) said:

"The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character. The best of you are those who are the best to their women."

“A believing man should not hate a believing woman. If he dislikes something in her character, he should be pleased with some other trait of hers.”

" If a man or a woman were to spend seventy years in obedience of Allah, but at the time of death attempt, in a bequest, to cause each other harm (man to woman or woman to man), hell becomes compulsory upon them.

Muslim scholars have adopted differing interpretations of An-Nisa, 34, a Sura of the Qur'an. In the event where a woman rebels against her husband, Muslim scholars disagree on what is prescribed by the Sura. According to some interpretations, it is permissible for the man to then lightly beat his spouse. However, this is disputed by many scholars who contend that the expression used alludes to temporary physical separation. Beating should not leave a mark or cause any(great) pain (the goal is that the woman feels the guilty of her rebellion).


Muslim marriage customs

Marriage within some predominantly Muslim countries still retains practices from pre-Islamic times.

According to Islamic law (sharia), marriage cannot be forced.

A marriage of pleasure, where a man pays a sum of money to a woman or her family in exchange for a temporary spousal relationship, is an ancient practice that has been revived in Iraq in recent years. Its practitioners cite sharia law as permitting the practice. Women's rights groups have condemned it as a form of legalized prostitution. This type of marriage is strictly prohibited in Islam.


Sexuality

A high value is placed on female chastity (not to be confused with celibacy). To protect women from accusations of unchaste behaviour, the scripture lays down severe punishments towards those who make false allegations about a woman's chastity. However, in some societies, an accusation is rarely questioned and the woman who is accused rarely has a chance to defend herself in a fair and just manner. This is always due to the local cultural customs and not a result of Islamic teachings.

Female genital mutilation has been erroneously associated with Islam. A UNICEF study of fourteen African countries found no correlation between religion and prevalence of female genital mutilation.
34 Islamic scholars signed a fatwa banning the practice in January 2010. Their aim was to prevent people from citing religion as a justification for genital mutilation. The authors cited the work of Islamic legal expert Ibn al-Hajj as support for their assertion that such practices were not present in the Maghreb(Arab) countries over the past centuries". FGM is "not an instinctive habit, according to the Malkis; therefore, it was abandoned in northern and western regions of the country," added the authors.


Divorce


In Islam, a woman can initiate a divorce. According to Sharia Law, a woman can file a case in the courts for a divorce in a process called Khal'a, meaning "release from". To prevent irrational decisions and for the sake of the family's stability. Islam enjoins that both parties observe a waiting period (of roughly three months) before the divorce is finalized.

"Khansa bint Khidhan who had a previous marriage, related that when her father married her and she disapproved of that, she went to the Messenger of God and he revoked her marriage." (Bukhari, Ibn Majah)

"A [girl who was not married] came to the Messenger of God and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet allowed her to exercise her choice."

Sharia Law states that divorce has to be confirmed on three separate occasions and not, as is commonly believed, simply three times at once. The first two instances the woman and the man are still in legal marriage. The third occasion of pronouncing divorce in the presence of the woman, the man is no longer legally the husband and therefore has to leave the house. The purpose of this procedure of divorce in Islam is to encourage reconciliation where possible. Even after divorce, the woman should wait three monthly cycles during which her husband remains responsible for her and her children's welfare and maintenance. He is not permitted to drive her out of the house.[92] This process may leave the woman destitute should her family not take her back or the ex-husband fail to support her and possibly his children.

After the third pronouncement they are not allowed to get back together as husband and wife, unless first the wife is divorced in another lawful and fully consummated marriage. This rule was made to discourage men from easily using the verbal declaration of divorce by knowing that after the third time there would be no way to return to the wife and thus encourage men's tolerance and patience.

Usually, assuming her husband demands a divorce, the divorced wife keeps her mahr (dowry), both the original gift and any supplementary property specified in the marriage contract. She is also given child support until the age of weaning, at which point the child's custody will be settled by the couple or by the courts.

"And for divorced women is maintenance according to what is acceptable – a duty on the righteous." [Quran 2:241]

In the western states alimentation has begun in practise only nowadays!!

"Do not judge Islam based on the behavior of people, but judge the behaviour of the people according to Islam"

Rose
06-27-2012, 09:59 AM
This topic is for those wishing to learn the truth about the position of the woman in Islam, especially for Rose!

By the fear that it would be boring to read a very long text, we will begin first with the marriage of women in Islam!
Then in the following days we will inform you (inshaAllah) to the other fields such as education, employment, financial matters, etc.

Marriage in Islam

Islam considers marriage as a solemn family relationship between a man and a woman, based on mercy and love.
Under Islamic law, marriage was no longer viewed as a "status" but rather as a "contract", in which the woman's consent was imperative.

The Prophet(pbuh) has stated:

"Marriage is the basis for blessings and children are an abundance of mercy."

"A woman is normally sought as a wife for her wealth, beauty, nobility, or religiousness (adherence to Islam), but choose a religious woman and you will prosper.

"The whole world is a provision, and the best object of benefit of the world is the pious woman. "


Can a woman be forced into marriage in Islam?

Allah Almighty said in the Noble Quran: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"

So according to Noble Verse 4:19, a woman can not be forced into marriage by any mean.

The Prophet(pbuh) has stated:

"A woman without a husband (or divorced or a widow) must not be married until she is consulted, and a virgin must not be married until her permission is sought. They asked the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him): How her (virgin's) consent can be solicited? He (the Holy Prophet) said: Her silence is her permission." (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3303)"

Narrated AbuHurayrah: "The Prophet (pbuh) said: An orphan virgin girl should be consulted about herself; if she says nothing that indicates her permission, but if she refuses, the authority of the guardian cannot be exercised against her will. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2088)"

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet(pbuh) allowed her to exercise her choice.

Hi Culi,

Thanks for the info...:signthankspin:

If a woman is given the same rights as a man in all areas of marriage then we have true equality, otherwise it is just men allowing women to have certain rights. What you have shown is that a woman has a right to choose who she wants to marry, but once that choice is made then the husband becomes the one in authority over the wife, and that is not equality of human rights.



Behaviour within marriage

The Qur'an considers the love between men and women to be a Sign of God.[Quran 30:21] Husbands are asked to be kind to their wives and wives are asked to be kind to their husbands.

"The Prophet(pbuh) said:

"The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character. The best of you are those who are the best to their women."

“A believing man should not hate a believing woman. If he dislikes something in her character, he should be pleased with some other trait of hers.”

" If a man or a woman were to spend seventy years in obedience of Allah, but at the time of death attempt, in a bequest, to cause each other harm (man to woman or woman to man), hell becomes compulsory upon them.

Muslim scholars have adopted differing interpretations of An-Nisa, 34, a Sura of the Qur'an. In the event where a woman rebels against her husband, Muslim scholars disagree on what is prescribed by the Sura. According to some interpretations, it is permissible for the man to then lightly beat his spouse. However, this is disputed by many scholars who contend that the expression used alludes to temporary physical separation. Beating should not leave a mark or cause any(great) pain (the goal is that the woman feels the guilty of her rebellion).


Muslim marriage customs

Marriage within some predominantly Muslim countries still retains practices from pre-Islamic times.

According to Islamic law (sharia), marriage cannot be forced.

A marriage of pleasure, where a man pays a sum of money to a woman or her family in exchange for a temporary spousal relationship, is an ancient practice that has been revived in Iraq in recent years. Its practitioners cite sharia law as permitting the practice. Women's rights groups have condemned it as a form of legalized prostitution. This type of marriage is strictly prohibited in Islam.


Sexuality

A high value is placed on female chastity (not to be confused with celibacy). To protect women from accusations of unchaste behaviour, the scripture lays down severe punishments towards those who make false allegations about a woman's chastity. However, in some societies, an accusation is rarely questioned and the woman who is accused rarely has a chance to defend herself in a fair and just manner. This is always due to the local cultural customs and not a result of Islamic teachings.

Female genital mutilation has been erroneously associated with Islam. A UNICEF study of fourteen African countries found no correlation between religion and prevalence of female genital mutilation.
34 Islamic scholars signed a fatwa banning the practice in January 2010. Their aim was to prevent people from citing religion as a justification for genital mutilation. The authors cited the work of Islamic legal expert Ibn al-Hajj as support for their assertion that such practices were not present in the Maghreb(Arab) countries over the past centuries". FGM is "not an instinctive habit, according to the Malkis; therefore, it was abandoned in northern and western regions of the country," added the authors.

Anytime you have one gender ruling over the other by command from a god there is no equality. No matter how you try to minimize a husbands role of disciplinarian (gently beat your wife), it is still one gender having control over the other. Much like the parent/child relationship, the child has rights, but the parent is the one in authority over the child. You say if the wife rebels against her husband he can disciple her, but what if the husband rebels against the wife? No equality there! Bottom line, the man rules!


Divorce


In Islam, a woman can initiate a divorce. According to Sharia Law, a woman can file a case in the courts for a divorce in a process called Khal'a, meaning "release from". To prevent irrational decisions and for the sake of the family's stability. Islam enjoins that both parties observe a waiting period (of roughly three months) before the divorce is finalized.

"Khansa bint Khidhan who had a previous marriage, related that when her father married her and she disapproved of that, she went to the Messenger of God and he revoked her marriage." (Bukhari, Ibn Majah)

"A [girl who was not married] came to the Messenger of God and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet allowed her to exercise her choice."

Sharia Law states that divorce has to be confirmed on three separate occasions and not, as is commonly believed, simply three times at once. The first two instances the woman and the man are still in legal marriage. The third occasion of pronouncing divorce in the presence of the woman, the man is no longer legally the husband and therefore has to leave the house. The purpose of this procedure of divorce in Islam is to encourage reconciliation where possible. Even after divorce, the woman should wait three monthly cycles during which her husband remains responsible for her and her children's welfare and maintenance. He is not permitted to drive her out of the house.[92] This process may leave the woman destitute should her family not take her back or the ex-husband fail to support her and possibly his children.

After the third pronouncement they are not allowed to get back together as husband and wife, unless first the wife is divorced in another lawful and fully consummated marriage. This rule was made to discourage men from easily using the verbal declaration of divorce by knowing that after the third time there would be no way to return to the wife and thus encourage men's tolerance and patience.

Usually, assuming her husband demands a divorce, the divorced wife keeps her mahr (dowry), both the original gift and any supplementary property specified in the marriage contract. She is also given child support until the age of weaning, at which point the child's custody will be settled by the couple or by the courts.

"And for divorced women is maintenance according to what is acceptable – a duty on the righteous." [Quran 2:241]

In the western states alimentation has begun in practise only nowadays!!

"Do not judge Islam based on the behavior of people, but judge the behaviour of the people according to Islam"

If the divorce laws (or any other laws) are not equivalent for both parties, but biased in favor of the man then equal human rights are not being enjoyed by the woman. To have equal human rights a man must be able to walk in the shoes of a woman and enjoy the same freedoms he did while walking in his male shoes. A right is something you are born with, not something given to you by a religion.

Thanks again for sharing the rules and customs of Islam, but what it all really boils down to is men making up rules to try and control other human beings, especially women. There is No equality in a man telling a woman what rights she has. True rights are not given by men!

All the best,
Rose

culi26
06-27-2012, 11:25 AM
Anytime you have one gender ruling over the other by command from a god there is no equality. No matter how you try to minimize a husbands role of disciplinarian (gently beat your wife), it is still one gender having control over the other. Much like the parent/child relationship, the child has rights, but the parent is the one in authority over the child. You say if the wife rebels against her husband he can disciple her, but what if the husband rebels against the wife? No equality there! Bottom line, the man rules!

Are you not understanding YET??!!

4:19 "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness,

"The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character. The best of you are those who are the best to their women."

“A believing man should not hate a believing woman. If he dislikes something in her character, he should be pleased with some other trait of hers.”

" If a man or a woman were to spend seventy years in obedience of Allah, but at the time of death attempt, in a bequest, to cause each other harm (man to woman or woman to man), hell becomes compulsory upon them.


Gently beat your wife

4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

First step: Advice them (then if they persist)

Second step : Forsake them in bed

You think that the woman will continue to be rebellious after taking this two steps??!! If you think so then comes:

The third step: beat them


To have equal human rights a man must be able to walk in the shoes of a woman and enjoy the same freedoms he did while walking in his male shoes.

This is not justification Rose! Because the woman doesn't know how to appreciate herself doesn't mean that man is guilty!!

I feel sorry that I express myself so, but the woman has turned herself into sexual object! This is the reason why the man cannot know the value of the woman!

The woman with no values walks half-naked (or almost naked) and plans in this way to get something with her body! But with this she becomes nothing more than a sex-toy! Don't you agree with me??!

This is the reason why the woman in Islam is not evaluated according to her body but by HER VALUES.

The west will continue with its propaganda until they reach to persuade the world that Muslim women should take off their HIJAB, AND WALK HALF-NAKED LIKE THE WESTERN WOMEN!


A right is something you are born with, not something given to you by a religion.

Who gave you that right?????!

Rose
06-27-2012, 03:09 PM
Are you not understanding YET??!!

I'm sorry, but I think you are the one who is not understanding YET! Anytime one gender is given the authority to rule over the other solely based on gender that person has been denied their equal human rights. It's all about equal human rights, not what rights the man thinks the woman should have.




Gently beat your wife

4:34 Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

First step: Advice them (then if they persist)

Second step : Forsake them in bed

You think that the woman will continue to be rebellious after taking this two steps??!! If you think so then comes:

The third step: beat them



This is not justification Rose! Because the woman doesn't know how to appreciate herself doesn't mean that man is guilty!!



I feel sorry that I express myself so, but the woman has turned herself into sexual object! This is the reason why the man cannot know the value of the woman!

The woman with no values walks half-naked (or almost naked) and plans in this way to get something with her body! But with this she becomes nothing more than a sex-toy! Don't you agree with me??!

This is the reason why the woman in Islam is not evaluated according to her body but by HER VALUES.

The west will continue with its propaganda until they reach to persuade the world that Muslim women should take off their HIJAB, AND WALK HALF-NAKED LIKE THE WESTERN WOMEN!

Why are you changing the subject of equal human rights? How women dress should be their own business, not a mans. Men need to spend there time and effort controlling their own lusts instead of trying to blame it on women. Women don't go around raping men because they are showing off their muscular bodies.

The bottom line is that the Koran, and the Bible both deny women equal human rights. It does not matter how well you say women are treated in the Koran, because they are still denied equality with men. The relationship is more like that of a parent/child instead of a partnership of equals.



http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Rose http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46604#post46604)
A right is something you are born with, not something given to you by a religion.

Who gave you that right?????!

That right is given me because I am born human, just like a man. It has always been men who try to take away others human rights under the guise of a decree from their god, whether if be that of slaves, or of women...which leads me back to the statement: any religion that denies half the population equal human rights cannot be of God.

It's all about equal human rights!

Take care,
Rose