The Pregnancy Pattern

[duxrow]

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Some religions idolize Mary the mother of Jesus, apparently not seeing the figurative logic for the Virgin to birth the baby. She was the precept (the physical rep) of the New Birth, and she needed Him as her savior too. A fine woman, no doubt, and no disrespect intended.

"My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you". Galatians 4:19

NEW LEAVEN! "Even the mystery which has been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY"!. Colossians 1:27

This latter scripture applies to the New Leaven for the New Testament Bread that will RISE and meet the Lord in the air. Amen? :thumb:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

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Some religions idolize Mary the mother of Jesus, apparently not seeing the figurative logic for the Virgin to birth the baby. She was the precept (the physical rep) of the New Birth, and she needed Him as her savior too. A fine woman, no doubt, and no disrespect intended.

"My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you". Galatians 4:19

NEW LEAVEN! "Even the mystery which has been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY"!. Colossians 1:27

This latter scripture applies to the New Leaven for the New Testament Bread that will RISE and meet the Lord in the air. Amen? :thumb:
Could they not see both "the figurative logic for the Virgin to birth the baby" AND "the precept (the physical rep) of the New Birth"? There is no contradiction between seeing both the literal and the figurative. Christians do that with all the types used of Christ. There was a literal passover lamb, and Christ fulfilled that figure.

I think you are using the word "rise" in two entirely different senses when you say "the New Testament Bread that will RISE and meet the Lord in the air." That pun only works in English so it can't be implied by the NT which was written in Greek.

[duxrow]

Morning Richard,:yo:
We lived for about a year near Athens, Greece -- seems to me they knew about using leaven to make their bread 'rise' -- to become light and fluffy. Don't all countries think along those same lines?

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Morning Richard,:yo:
We lived for about a year near Athens, Greece -- seems to me they knew about using leaven to make their bread 'rise' -- to become light and fluffy. Don't all countries think along those same lines?
Good morning my friend, :tea:

Are you saying that God needs to make Christians "light and fluffy" or they won't be able to "rise" in the rapture?

The idea of bread "rising" has nothing to do with moving vertically towards the sky.

[duxrow]

HaHa, hoho, :lol:
You're really a scream, but I'll be your straight man. We are "one bread", 1Cor10:17, (when we follow after the True Bread of Jesus), and not only will we "fly away" as Ps90:10 tells us, but we'll 'Rise' to meet Him in the air. Soon, I hope.:pray:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

HaHa, hoho, :lol:
You're really a scream, but I'll be your straight man. We are "one bread", 1Cor10:17, (when we follow after the True Bread of Jesus), and not only will we "fly away" as Ps90:10 tells us, but we'll 'Rise' to meet Him in the air. Soon, I hope.:pray:
I think I'm your straight man since you are the guy with all the jokes! :lmbo:

Your interpretation of Psalm 90:10 doesn't make any sense to me. It's not talking about any "rapture" (which isn't even taught in the Bible anyway):

Psalm 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

The "fly away" refers to our DEATH after we have lived our "threescore years and ten." Where did you get the idea it refers to the so-called rapture?

[duxrow]

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Chuckle,chuckle.
Maybe that's why Moses had them drink the gold -- so they'd be too heavy to float ! Because that OT 'bread' didn't rise. Instead, there was a switch made at Calvary and the Gentiles came into the Covenant instead of the Jews getting their personal government.

Similar, figuratively, the way a switch was made when Jacob thought he was marrying Rachel. Surprise!

As for the "fly away", have you contrasted that with how we'll be "drawn from the water", like Moses -- Ps90 is his ONLY psalm (that we know of..) :winking0071:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

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Chuckle,chuckle.
Maybe that's why Moses had them drink the gold -- so they'd be too heavy to float ! Because that OT 'bread' didn't rise. Instead, there was a switch made at Calvary and the Gentiles came into the Covenant instead of the Jews getting their personal government.

Similar, figuratively, the way a switch was made when Jacob thought he was marrying Rachel. Surprise!

As for the "fly away", have you contrasted that with how we'll be "drawn from the water", like Moses -- Ps90 is his ONLY psalm (that we know of..) :winking0071:
Where does the Bible say we'll be "drawn from the water", like Moses?

[duxrow]

Where does the Bible say we'll be "drawn from the water", like Moses?
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Does it say that? Maybe Ex2:10, but the "fishers of men" is from Jesus himself, and seems to indicate how on this earth we're mostly 'all wet'. ha.

But you're the real master of obfuscation so maybe the Virgin Mary or the Golden Calf should rise again. :winking0001:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

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Does it say that? Maybe Ex2:10, but the "fishers of men" is from Jesus himself, and seems to indicate how on this earth we're mostly 'all wet'. ha.

"Fishers of men" is a metaphor for evangelism. It does not imply that the folks caught in the Gospel "net" are "wet" anymore than it would imply that they have scales and fins.



But you're the real master of obfuscation so maybe the Virgin Mary or the Golden Calf should rise again. :winking0001:
You've got it backwards. If I am a master of anything, it is clarification.

For example, given your equivocation (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/equivoqu.html) about the meaning of "rise" I can't help but think of the the Golden Calf getting puffed up like the Dough Boy when you say "maybe the Virgin Mary or the Golden Calf should rise again."

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I'd say it was your equivocation that caused this obfuscation.

[duxrow]

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Bravo! Glad to hear it, and maybe understand after all... (but don't count on it)
The other kind of 'rise' is like what a hot-air-balloon does -- couldn't think of it before; must've been having a senile moment. Need a nap, maybe.:yo: