Tabernacle Blueprint and the Gospel

[debz]

Since Richard and I have found another point of agreement in the typology of the tabernacle, I wanted to "run" with that more :winking0071:

In the tabernacle design, I see three "levels," if you will, of knowing the Lord: as The Way (Outer Court), The Truth (Holy Place) and The Life (Most Holy Place). The scriptures where Jesus claims to be the "gate" refer to knowledge of Him in this "Outer Court" realm; the ones about being a "Door" refer to that "Holy Place" realm, and all of it is leading to "The Life" -- Mature Sonship, "Perfection," and "Righteousness." I believe a lot of scripture has been misapplied simply from not understanding these different "realms."

Attached is a document detailing this more--I do not go into a lot of detail on all the typology in the tabernacle, just enough to get the general idea. But I do apply a lot of scripture that I believe is related, and not traditionally taught this way. Interested to know if this brings more agreement, and what others' thoughts are.

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[kathryn]

Since Richard and I have found another point of agreement in the typology of the tabernacle, I wanted to "run" with that more :winking0071:

In the tabernacle design, I see three "levels," if you will, of knowing the Lord: as The Way (Outer Court), The Truth (Holy Place) and The Life (Most Holy Place). The scriptures where Jesus claims to be the "gate" refer to knowledge of Him in this "Outer Court" realm; the ones about being a "Door" refer to that "Holy Place" realm, and all of it is leading to "The Life" -- Mature Sonship, "Perfection," and "Righteousness." I believe a lot of scripture has been misapplied simply from not understanding these different "realms."

Attached is a document detailing this more--I do not go into a lot of detail on all the typology in the tabernacle, just enough to get the general idea. But I do apply a lot of scripture that I believe is related, and not traditionally taught this way. Interested to know if this brings more agreement, and what others' thoughts are.

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Hi Deb,
Thank you for a very clear and concise teaching on Tabernacle typology. I love it when someone can take the bone structure of scripture and build on it. Contrary to what many believe, it is NOT of private interpretation...and despite the often confusing path to get to it, in the end it is so breathtakingly simple a child can understand it. (and thank God for that!)

I don't want to distract from the document you sent, but I'm wondering if you've read any of the posts on the laver/molten sea and how it is also the "cervix" of the Bride? I know you'd be interested if you haven't already discovered this for yourself. Thanks again Deb!

[debz]

Hi Deb,
Thank you for a very clear and concise teaching on Tabernacle typology. I love it when someone can take the bone structure of scripture and build on it. Contrary to what many believe, it is NOT of private interpretation...and despite the often confusing path to get to it, in the end it is so breathtakingly simple a child can understand it. (and thank God for that!)

I don't want to distract from the document you sent, but I'm wondering if you've read any of the posts on the laver/molten sea and how it is also the "cervix" of the Bride? I know you'd be interested if you haven't already discovered this for yourself. Thanks again Deb!

Thanks, Kathryn. And no, haven't read those posts yet, but hopefully will get around to it soon.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Since Richard and I have found another point of agreement in the typology of the tabernacle, I wanted to "run" with that more :winking0071:

In the tabernacle design, I see three "levels," if you will, of knowing the Lord: as The Way (Outer Court), The Truth (Holy Place) and The Life (Most Holy Place). The scriptures where Jesus claims to be the "gate" refer to knowledge of Him in this "Outer Court" realm; the ones about being a "Door" refer to that "Holy Place" realm, and all of it is leading to "The Life" -- Mature Sonship, "Perfection," and "Righteousness." I believe a lot of scripture has been misapplied simply from not understanding these different "realms."

Attached is a document detailing this more--I do not go into a lot of detail on all the typology in the tabernacle, just enough to get the general idea. But I do apply a lot of scripture that I believe is related, and not traditionally taught this way. Interested to know if this brings more agreement, and what others' thoughts are.

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Good morning Deb, :yo:

I wish I had more hours in the day! There's a lot of good stuff in the article you linked. I can see why you "fell in love" with the Number 5. I have a kabbalistic book by the famous Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto called Secrets of the Future Temple that analyzes the Temple in Ezekiel 40-48. Have you ever looked at that Temple much? Luzzatto was convinced (obviously) that the specific dimensions were given by HaShem to reveal many secret truths. The dimensions are, of course, saturated by the Numbers 4 and 5.

Wish I had more time! But I gotta update the site some more (there's some bugs in some software - :mad: - ) and I have to answer some more posts.

Thanks for your great contributions to this forum!

Richard

[debz]

Good morning Deb, :yo:

I wish I had more hours in the day! There's a lot of good stuff in the article you linked. I can see why you "fell in love" with the Number 5. I have a kabbalistic book by the famous Rabbi Moshe Chaim Luzzatto called Secrets of the Future Temple that analyzes the Temple in Ezekiel 40-48. Have you ever looked at that Temple much? Luzzatto was convinced (obviously) that the specific dimensions were given by HaShem to reveal many secret truths. The dimensions are, of course, saturated by the Numbers 4 and 5.

Wish I had more time! But I gotta update the site some more (there's some bugs in some software - :mad: - ) and I have to answer some more posts.

Thanks for your great contributions to this forum!

Richard

I have looked at the Ezekiel Temple, but it's been a while. It's the same typology, just more detailed. However, I didn't "fall in love" with the number 5 - I have seen the sequence of 555 every day, some days more than others, for over 20 years and over time the Lord revealed to me the meaning behind that, also connected to the number 15 and 120.

Hopefully you will have some time to read some of this, because it would really help explain more of what Kathryn and I are both referring to. Not to mention you might get some interpretation on "how a beginner can win the Crown in 15 steps..."

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I have looked at the Ezekiel Temple, but it's been a while. It's the same typology, just more detailed. However, I didn't "fall in love" with the number 5 - I have seen the sequence of 555 every day, some days more than others, for over 20 years and over time the Lord revealed to me the meaning behind that, also connected to the number 15 and 120.

Hopefully you will have some time to read some of this, because it would really help explain more of what Kathryn and I are both referring to. Not to mention you might get some interpretation on "how a beginner can win the Crown in 15 steps..."
Hey there Deb,

I didn't mean to diminish the sense that God was talking to you by frequently presenting the number 555 to you. My point was only that as a consequence you "fell in love" with it because of its great explanatory (and revelatory) powers. I'm sorry if I didn't express myself well. I didn't know you wouldn't like the implications of the phrase "fell in love" in that context.

And now that I'm "waking up" to synchronicities and symbolic numbers after many years of slumber, I'm sure I'll find the time to thoroughly review your research on 5, 15, 555 and related matters. I really do want to know what he meant when he showed me that book in which a beginner "won the crown in 15 moves." Hey! I just had a new insight while typing this. The "game" he wanted to play was pool! And how many balls in a standard game? 15! How could I have missed this??? Wow --

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And they are explicitly displaying the Triangular form of the Number 5, and this played the "key" role in my Dumbo Dream because 12 x 44 = 528 = T(32), the triangular form of the number 32. Man! How did I miss this?

And 32 = 25 = two to the fifth power!

[kathryn]

Hey there Deb,

I didn't mean to diminish the sense that God was talking to you by frequently presenting the number 555 to you. My point was only that as a consequence you "fell in love" with it because of its great explanatory (and revelatory) powers. I'm sorry if I didn't express myself well. I didn't know you wouldn't like the implications of the phrase "fell in love" in that context.

And now that I'm "waking up" to synchronicities and symbolic numbers after many years of slumber, I'm sure I'll find the time to thoroughly review your research on 5, 15, 555 and related matters. I really do want to know what he meant when he showed me that book in which a beginner "won the crown in 15 moves." Hey! I just had a new insight while typing this. The "game" he wanted to play was pool! And how many balls in a standard game? 15! How could I have missed this??? Wow --

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And they are explicitly displaying the Triangular form of the Number 5, and this played the "key" role in my Dumbo Dream because 12 x 44 = 528 = T(32), the triangular form of the number 32. Man! How did I miss this?

And 32 = 25 = two to the fifth power!

Hi Richard....This is unraveling before our eyes! I had a very vivid dream a year ago also concerning pool. In the dream, a Canadian Christian TV talk show host named "Audrey" was sitting on the side of a pool table giving birth. The baby had emerged half way out and was moving upwards. She was laughing and talking to people around her as it was birthing. When its mid-section was revealed, the black 8 ball was sunk.

As I've also had a dream about the Key of David (which I've shared on the Matthew 17 thread) I'm of course avidly watching yours unfold. While I was dreaming, I felt that aside from the birthing...the "midway" concept was very important...and the 8 ball. Oddly enough, it was D Day...6/6...which also marked the Battle of Midway in the 2nd WW and the sinking of the USS Hamman. (although I didnt know these details until much later) Just running it past you in case you have any thoughts on the 8 ball.

[kathryn]

Oh my! I never thought to divide the key 528 with the 8 ball! 66!! The two dreams were years apart!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard....This is unraveling before our eyes! I had a very vivid dream a year ago also concerning pool. In the dream, a Canadian Christian TV talk show host named "Audrey" was sitting on the side of a pool table giving birth. The baby had emerged half way out and was moving upwards. She was laughing and talking to people around her as it was birthing. When its mid-section was revealed, the black 8 ball was sunk.

As I've also had a dream about the Key of David (which I've shared on the Matthew 17 thread) I'm of course avidly watching yours unfold. While I was dreaming, I felt that aside from the birthing...the "midway" concept was very important...and the 8 ball. Oddly enough, it was D Day...6/6...which also marked the Battle of Midway in the 2nd WW and the sinking of the USS Hamman. (although I know these details until much later) Just running it past you in case you have any thoughts on the 8 ball.
Well ... you probably already noticed this. The eight-ball is "midway" between the 1 and the 15 balls. And it is in the center (midway) of the triangle. And it is sunk when the game is won.

And it is 23 = two to the third power. When I didn't want to play the master because the bet was too large, he said "Ok - two or three bucks." Meaning we'd play the game for two or three bucks. That played an important role in confirming the synchronicities that happened 5:28 on 12/22 when the price of the pill (pool) box changed from $3 to 2$ so the total came to $12.44.

And those are the two digits in the 32nd path, and 528 = T(32).

And 2 + 3 = 5.

Etc., etc., etc.!

One point - I prefer the word "unfolding" over "unraveling" since the latter has the connotations of coming apart and I see things as "coming together" at an amazing pace!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Oh my! I never thought to divide the key 528 with the 8 ball! 66!! The two dreams were years apart!
Oh yeah - that really impressed me some years ago.

The Key to the Bible = 8 x 66 ( = galgal/wheel = Number of books)

But I didn't connect it with the eight ball because that didn't specifically figure in the dreams. But now your dreams are coming into play. What are we going to see next? The idea that we may have received different fragments of the same dream-scape is very exciting!

[kathryn]

Well ... you probably already noticed this. The eight-ball is "midway" between the 1 and the 15 balls. And it is in the center (midway) of the triangle. And it is sunk when the game is won.

And it is 23 = two to the third power. When I didn't want to play the master because the bet was too large, he said "Ok - two or three bucks." Meaning we'd play the game for two or three bucks. That played an important role in confirming the synchronicities that happened 5:28 on 12/22 when the price of the pill (pool) box changed from $3 to 2$ so the total came to $12.44.

And those are the two digits in the 32nd path, and 528 = T(32).

And 2 + 3 = 5.

Etc., etc., etc.!

One point - I prefer the word "unfolding" over "unraveling" since the latter has the connotations of coming apart and I see things as "coming together" at an amazing pace!

Wow..no...I didnt think of the 8 ball in the midway position. I was too excited !:-) Wow!
Well..ok, I'll say unfolding...although you could say we're in the process of having the carnal mind "unraveled" so that the Mind of Christ can be unfolded. :p:p:p:D:p:p:p A release from captivity, so to speak:pray:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard....This is unraveling before our eyes! I had a very vivid dream a year ago also concerning pool. In the dream, a Canadian Christian TV talk show host named "Audrey" was sitting on the side of a pool table giving birth. The baby had emerged half way out and was moving upwards. She was laughing and talking to people around her as it was birthing. When its mid-section was revealed, the black 8 ball was sunk.

As I've also had a dream about the Key of David (which I've shared on the Matthew 17 thread) I'm of course avidly watching yours unfold. While I was dreaming, I felt that aside from the birthing...the "midway" concept was very important...and the 8 ball. Oddly enough, it was D Day...6/6...which also marked the Battle of Midway in the 2nd WW and the sinking of the USS Hamman. (although I didnt know these details until much later) Just running it past you in case you have any thoughts on the 8 ball.
You mention birth - that idea is centered on the number 4, and always involves blood = DM = 44 ==> 4 + 4 = 8, Octave! new beginning, baby circumcised on eighth day.

I have a deep intuition that the Dumbo Dream is associated with spiritual birth - the central theme of the Bible.

Maybe that's why there's so much blood in the Bible.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Wow..no...I didnt think of the 8 ball in the midway position. I was too excited !:-) Wow!
Well..ok, I'll say unfolding...although you could say we're in the process of having the carnal mind "unraveled" so that the Mind of Christ can be unfolded. :p:p:p:D:p:p:p A release from captivity, so to speak:pray:
That's what I love about the word "Dumbo" being given in that dream. On the one hand, the dream involves lots of heady intellectual constructs, but it leads to the blood of Christ, the foolishness of God. DUMBO! Gotta love it.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

You mention birth - that idea is centered on the number 4, and always involves blood = DM = 44 ==> 4 + 4 = 8, Octave! new beginning, baby circumcised on eighth day.

I have a deep intuition that the Dumbo Dream is associated with spiritual birth - the central theme of the Bible.

Maybe that's why there's so much blood in the Bible.
I forgot to mention to mention why I associate the Dumbo Dream with birth.

DM (Blood) = 44 = YLD = to give birth! This word first occurs in Genesis 4:

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The word "bare" is from the root YLD = 44. But it is written as "TLD" because of it's tense, mood, and voice. And TLD is DLT (Dalet = 4th letter) spelled backwards!

[kathryn]

You mention birth - that idea is centered on the number 4, and always involves blood = DM = 44 ==> 4 + 4 = 8, Octave! new beginning, baby circumcised on eighth day.

I have a deep intuition that the Dumbo Dream is associated with spiritual birth - the central theme of the Bible.

Maybe that's why there's so much blood in the Bible.

Wow again! I didn't think of the birth/blood connection between the two dreams! I have thought of the USS Hammann as possibly the "Haman" in the bible too. He was hung...which is similar to the sinking of the 8 ball and relates to the dalet 4 root of hanging.
And yes...the octave/circumcision is very significant as well me thinks.

[kathryn]

That's what I love about the word "Dumbo" being given in that dream. On the one hand, the dream involves lots of heady intellectual constructs, but it leads to the blood of Christ, the foolishness of God. DUMBO! Gotta love it.

yes! That's wonderful! There is a divine sense of humor , no doubt in my mind! (kinda like when I heard I would be the ass h-le before I could be the bride...heh):lol: (gosh I appreciate the freedom on this forum!)

[Richard Amiel McGough]

yes! That's wonderful! There is a divine sense of humor , no doubt in my mind! (kinda like when I heard I would be the ass h-le before I could be the bride...heh):lol: (gosh I appreciate the freedom on this forum!)
I'm so glad to see you opening up to the freedom you have here. I'm only discovering it myself! I didn't even no how inhibited I was in my own house.

People are very funny about "bad" words. It seems very childish to me. Sure, there are very good reasons to avoid offending others with words, especially when things get hot while "debating" over things. But to say a word like "asshole" should not cause an adult to faint! Especially when it's funny.

I remember the first time I said "Bullshit" on this forum. :eek:

But then some users get carried away and start calling names and insulting people. I try to stop that because it doesn't help the conversations.

So breath deep my friend! The air is fresh and clean and you are in a place where you are free as bird to sing to your heart's delight.

:talk008:

[debz]

Wow, where do I start?! This is amazing to watch all this unfold, or unravel, or whatever term you two finally agreed on. :woohoo:

We are having fun now!!

:talk005: "FREEDOM!!!!"

[debz]

Hey there Deb,


I didn't mean to diminish the sense that God was talking to you by frequently presenting the number 555 to you. My point was only that as a consequence you "fell in love" with it because of its great explanatory (and revelatory) powers. I'm sorry if I didn't express myself well. I didn't know you wouldn't like the implications of the phrase "fell in love" in that context.

No worries....I am not offended, just wanted to make clear that it was seeing the fives first that led me into all this, and not that I "loved the number 5," and therefore went looking for all the ways this could be speaking...I think that is a significant distinction to make.


And now that I'm "waking up" to synchronicities and symbolic numbers after many years of slumber, I'm sure I'll find the time to thoroughly review your research on 5, 15, 555 and related matters. I really do want to know what he meant when he showed me that book in which a beginner "won the crown in 15 moves." Hey! I just had a new insight while typing this. The "game" he wanted to play was pool! And how many balls in a standard game? 15! How could I have missed this??? Wow --

163

And they are explicitly displaying the Triangular form of the Number 5, and this played the "key" role in my Dumbo Dream because 12 x 44 = 528 = T(32), the triangular form of the number 32. Man! How did I miss this?

And 32 = 25 = two to the fifth power!

"Waking up" is a good term! LOVE the new insight on the 15 balls in the pool game, too!!! It's all pointing to the same thing! :anim_32:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

"Waking up" is a good term! LOVE the new insight on the 15 balls in the pool game, too!!! It's all pointing to the same thing! :anim_32:
Another log of the fire!

It's getting HOT in here (synchronistically speaking!) ~ :sunny:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

yes! That's wonderful! There is a divine sense of humor , no doubt in my mind! (kinda like when I heard I would be the ass h-le before I could be the bride...heh):lol: (gosh I appreciate the freedom on this forum!)
And don't forget your Fred-dom either!

Here's a post from June 9, 2010 (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?404-Noah-Ark) where you and I were rejoicing in the same thing - only now I think it's much more intense ....




yeah!!!!:D It's very freeing indeed....but it's certainly part of our maturing process isn't it, being able to shed previous mindsets with joy and anticipation, rather than dread of it robbing us of something.
Yabba Dabba Doo! You got it my friend!

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!!!FREEDOM!!!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I forgot to mention to mention why I associate the Dumbo Dream with birth.

DM (Blood) = 44 = YLD = to give birth! This word first occurs in Genesis 4:

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The word "bare" is from the root YLD = 44. But it is written as "TLD" because of it's tense, mood, and voice. And TLD is DLT (Dalet = 4th letter) spelled backwards!
Continuing the theme of birth and Dumbo, I just learned that the gestation period of an elephant is 22 months. I like that number ...

[Bob May]

I forgot to mention to mention why I associate the Dumbo Dream with birth.

DM (Blood) = 44 = YLD = to give birth! This word first occurs in Genesis 4:

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The word "bare" is from the root YLD = 44. But it is written as "TLD" because of it's tense, mood, and voice. And TLD is DLT (Dalet = 4th letter) spelled backwards!

Hi Richard,

Here's one for you. You thought the world or univese card had somrthing to do with your dream and you mentioned new birth.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/BobMay2008/21.gif

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/BobMay2008/V.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/BobMay2008/third-eye-ajna-chakra-1.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/BobMay2008/V3.jpg

The 32nd path is the letter Tav and the World or Universe card. Between Malkuth and Yesod.
You felt naked like the woman in the card but also she is hovering in a Vesica piscis. The womb of the universe.
Your mathmatical mind aught to be able to find some more relevant numbers there.
By the way the third symbol down is the symbol for the third eye chakra.

Bob

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard,

Here's one for you. You thought the world or univese card had somrthing to do with your dream and you mentioned new birth.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/BobMay2008/21.gif

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/BobMay2008/V.jpg

The 32nd path is the letter Tav and the World or Universe card. Between Malkuth and Yesod.
You felt naked like the woman in the card but also she is hovering in a Vesica pistis. The womb of the universe.
Your mathmatical mind aught to be able to find some more relevant numbers there.

Bob
Hummm .... :sCo_hmmthink:

I've got a book called A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe by Michael Schneider. He goes into the cicles and vesica and all that to construct the basic pattern for each number from zero to ten. He does the same construction you show to create the circle and the cross (as well as the square). I never really gave that approach much thought ... it just didn't "grab me" for some reason. Perhaps I should give it another look now.

I would be curious to know what numbers you think I might find interesting in that construct. There are too many for me to guess ... (like infinity, ya know?) ... :winking0071:

[Bob May]

Hummm .... :sCo_hmmthink:

I've got a book called A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe by Michael Schneider. He goes into the cicles and vesica and all that to construct the basic pattern for each number from zero to ten. He does the same construction you show to create the circle and the cross (as well as the square). I never really gave that approach much thought ... it just didn't "grab me" for some reason. Perhaps I should give it another look now.

I would be curious to know what numbers you think I might find interesting in that construct. There are too many for me to guess ... (like infinity, ya know?) ... :winking0071:

Oh, I don't know. There might be a correct proportion width to height or how much overlap on the circles to find the "correct" proportions.
It seems to be showing the precession of the pole in the one illustration but who knows if that is an accurate depiction.
It was just a thought. I'll see if I cn find anything out there.

Bob

[Bob May]

Oh, I don't know. There might be a correct proportion width to height or how much overlap on the circles to find the "correct" proportions.
It seems to be showing the precession of the pole in the one illustration but who knows if that is an accurate depiction.
It was just a thought. I'll see if I cn find anything out there.

Bob

Try this one,

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr150/BobMay2008/vesica-piscis.gif
Bob

[Bob May]

Hi Richard and all,

One idea I do see here is that it is the "overlap" that forms the Vesica.
Similar to what I've been thinking on with the tree of life.
I overlap three trees putting the Sephirah Daath over the Sephirah Yesod.
The overlap signifies a change in awareness. Coming out of the womb.
As you said with your Dumbo dream, it is the foundation of a lot of what you have learned since.

So the vesica shape is formed from the convergence of two circles.
Just as the Dumbo dream is the convergence of two worlds.

Bob

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard and all,

One idea I do see here is that it is the "overlap" that forms the Vesica.
Similar to what I've been thinking on with the tree of life.
I overlap three trees putting the Sephirah Daath over the Sephirah Yesod.
The overlap signifies a change in awareness. Coming out of the womb.
As you said with your Dumbo dream, it is the foundation of a lot of what you have learned since.

So the vesica shape is formed from the convergence of two circles.
Just as the Dumbo dream is the convergence of two worlds.

Bob

That makes some sense, but the circles aren't "illuminated" in my mind yet. This reminds me of when I first encountered Vernon Jenkins work on Genesis 1:1. I had independently developed a lot of the mathematics myself before encountering his work which was largely based on the geometry of triangular, hexagonal, and star numbers and it all seems sorta "silly" to me at first. But then I started digging into it and a whole world opened up. Perhaps the same thing will happen with this "sacred geometry" based on intersecting circles. I probably just need to put my mind to it for a while. Indeed, all the geometric numbers that I use in my analysis of Genesis 1:1 can be constructed with circles and lines. So I'll just need meditate on it all for a while.

BTW - I love your signature Bob!

Harry Potter,.. "Is this all happening in my head, or is it real?"
Professor Dumbledor,.. "Of course it's all happening in your head. What makes you think that means it isn't real?"

:thumb:

[Bob May]

That makes some sense, but the circles are "illuminated" in my mind yet. This reminds me of when I first encountered Vernon Jenkins work on Genesis 1:1. I had independently developed a lot of the mathematics myself before encountering his work which was largely based on the geometry of triangular, hexagonal, and star numbers and it all seems sorta "silly" to me at first. But then I started digging into it and a whole world opened up. Perhaps the same thing will happen with this "sacred geometry" based on intersecting circles. I probably just need to put my mind to it for a while. Indeed, all the geometric numbers that I use in my analysis of Genesis 1:1 can be constructed with circles and lines. So I'll just need meditate on it all for a while.


Sounds like a plan. Also I forgot the Vesica also relates to the fish symbol.




BTW - I love your signature Bob!

Harry Potter,.. "Is this all happening in my head, or is it real?"
Professor Dumbledor,.. "Of course it's all happening in your head. What makes you think that means it isn't real?"

:thumb:

Yeah, insn't that great?
I watched the new/last Harry Potter movie about a week and a half ago and that conversation took place near the end of the movie. I had to have it.

Bob

[heb13-13]

Really interesting stuff, guys and gals. I was thinking of Cheow as I read this thread and then it just popped into my head to see what a very old civilization thinks of the number 8. I'm just going to post the whole thing. In Chinese, there are auspicious numbers and inauspicious numbers. Here are the definitions. Seven is considered "spiritist or ghostly".

Any number of repeated 5s: "五" (wǔ) sounds like an onomatopoeia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Onomatopoeia) for crying, and is sometimes used in internet slang (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Internet_slang).



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In Chinese culture (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_culture), certain numbers are believed by some to be auspicious (吉利) or inauspicious (不利) based on the Chinese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_language) word that the number name sounds similar to. However some Chinese people regard these beliefs to be superstitions (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Superstition).
Lucky numbers are based on Chinese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_language) words that sound similar to other Chinese words. The numbers 6 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/6_(number)), 8 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/8_(number)), and 9 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/9_(number)) are believed to have auspicious meanings because their names sound similar to words that have positive meanings.


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1 Lucky numbers (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Lucky_numbers)

1.1 Two (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Two)
1.2 Three (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Three)
1.3 Five (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Five)
1.4 Six (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Six)
1.5 Seven (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Seven)
1.6 Eight (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Eight)
1.7 Nine (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Nine)

2 Unlucky numbers (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Unlucky_numbers)

2.1 Four (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Four)
2.2 Five (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Five_2)
2.3 Six (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Six_2)
2.4 Seven (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Seven_2)

3 Combinations (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Combinations)
4 See also (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#See_also)
5 References (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#References)
6 External links (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#External_links)



[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=1)] Lucky numbers[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=2)] TwoThe number 2 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/2_(number)) (二 or 兩, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): èr or liăng) is most often considered a good number in Chinese culture. There is a Chinese saying: "good things come in pairs". It is common to use double symbols in product brandnames, such as double happiness, double coin and double elephants. In Cantonese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Cantonese), two (jyutping: yi6) is a homophone (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Homophone) of the character for "easy" (易). In Northern China, the number, when used as an adjective, can also mean "stupid".[1] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-0)
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=3)] ThreeThe number 3 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/3_(number)) (三, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): sān, jyutping: saam1) sounds similar to the character for "birth" (生, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): shēng, jyutping: saang1), and is considered a lucky number.[citation needed (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=4)] FiveThe number 5 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/5_(number)) (五, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wŭ) is associated with the five elements (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wu_Xing) (Water, Fire, Earth, Wood, and Metal) in Chinese philosophy (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_philosophy), and in turn was historically associated with the Emperor of China (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Emperor_of_China). For example, the Tiananmen (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Tiananmen) gate, being the main thoroughfare to the Forbidden City (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Forbidden_City), has five arches. It is also referred to as the pronoun "I"[citation needed (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], as the pronunciations of "I" (我, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wŏ, and 吾, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wú) and 5 are similar in Mandarin.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=5)] SixThe number 6 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/6_(number)) (六, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): liù) in Mandarin is pronounced the same as "lio" (溜, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): liù) and similar to "fluid" (流, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): liú) and is therefore considered good for business. The number 6 also represents happiness. In Cantonese, this number is a homophone for blessings (祿 Lok). In I-Ching (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/I-Ching), the number 6 stands for "yin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Yin)".
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=6)] SevenThe number 7 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/7_(number)) (七, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): qī) symbolizes "togetherness". It is a lucky number for relationships. It is also recognized as the luckiest number in the West, and is one of the rare numbers that is great in both Chinese and many Western cultures. It is a lucky number in Chinese culture, because it sounds alike to the Chinese character 起 (Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): qǐ) meaning arise.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=7)] EightThe word for "eight" (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/8_(number)) (八 Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): bā) sounds similar to the word which means "prosper" or "wealth (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wealth)" (發 (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%99%BC) – short for "發財", Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): fā). In regional dialects the words for "eight" and "fortune" are also similar, e.g. Cantonese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Standard_Cantonese) "baat3" and "faat3".
There is also a visual [2] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-1) A total of 43 intermediate floor numbers are omitted from 39 Conduit Road: those missing include 14, 24, 34, 54, 64, all floors between 40 and 49; the floor number which follows 68 is 88.[3] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-hks20091022-2)

The switchboard telephone number of the Swiss investment bank Credit Suisse in London is +44 (0)207 8888888, where 44 is the country code for the UK and 0207 is the city code for central London. Credit Suisse has been rapidly expanding its business in investment banking, private wealth and other financial services in Asia in recent years.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=8)] NineThe number 9 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/9_(number)) (九, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): jiŭ, jyutping: gau2), was historically associated with the Emperor of China (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Emperor_of_China), and the number was frequently used in matters relating to the Emperor, before the establishment of the imperial examinations (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Imperial_examinations) officials were organized in the nine-rank system (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nine-rank_system), the nine bestowments (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nine_bestowments) were rewards the Emperor made for officials of extraordinary capacity and loyalty, while the nine familial exterminations (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations) was one of the harshest punishments the Emperor sentenced; the Emperor's robes often had nine dragons, and Chinese mythology (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_mythology) held that the dragon has nine children. It also symbolizes harmony.
Moreover, the number 9 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/9_(number)) is a homophone of the word for "longlasting" (久), and as such is often used in weddings (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wedding).
Some Chinese today believe that nine is lucky (or believed by others to be lucky) because it is the largest single-digit (Arabic) number. However, this does not derive from any Chinese tradition, as the largest single-digit Chinese number is ten (十).
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=9)] Unlucky numbers[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=10)] FourMain article: Tetraphobia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Tetraphobia)
Number 4 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/4_(number)) (四; accounting (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_numbers#Numeral_characters) 肆; pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin) sì) is considered an unlucky number (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Unlucky_number) in Chinese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_culture) because it is nearly homophonous (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Homophonous) to the word "death" (死 pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin) sǐ). Due to that, many numbered product lines skip the "4": e.g. Nokia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nokia) cell phones (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Cell_phones) (there is no series beginning with a 4),[4] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-3) Palm (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/PalmOne,_Inc.)[citation needed (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] PDAs (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant), Canon PowerShot G (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Canon_PowerShot_G)'s series (after G3 goes G5), etc. In East Asia, some buildings do not have a 4th floor. (Compare with the Western practice of some buildings not having a 13th floor because 13 is considered unlucky.) In Hong Kong (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Hong_Kong), some high-rise residential buildings literally miss all floor numbers with "4", e.g. 4, 14, 24, 34 and all 40–49 floors, in addition to not having a 13th floor. As a result, a building whose highest floor is number 50 may actually have only 35 physical floors.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=11)] FiveAlthough five (五, pinyin: wǔ, jyutping: ng5) can represent "me" (吾, pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wú) in Mandarin, it is usually associated with "not" (Mandarin 無, pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin) wú, and Cantonese 唔 m4). If used for the negative connotation it can become good by using it with a negative. 54 means "not die" or "no death". If used for the positive it can be used as a possessive. 528 is a way of saying "no easy fortune for me". 53 ("ng5 saam1" in Cantonese) sounds like "m4 sang1 （唔生）" – "not live".
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=12)] SixSix in Cantonese which has a similar pronunciation to that of "lok6" (落, meaning "to drop, fall, or decline") may form unlucky combinations.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=13)] SevenSeven is considered spiritist or ghostly. The seventh month of the Chinese calendar (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_calendar) is also called the "Ghost Month". See Ghost Festival (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Ghost_Festival) for more detail. During July , the gates of hell are said to be open so ghosts and spirits are permitted to visit the living realm. However, the Chinese lunar calendar also has July 7 as Chinese Valentine's Day (七夕 qi xi), so the number 7 is not generally associated with bad luck. In most of the regions in China number 7 remains neutral or associated with luck.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=14)] Combinations

28, 38: As eight means prosperity, twenty eight equates to 'double prosperity', 38 being one of the luckiest, often referred to as 'triple prosperity'. Especially lucky on monetary items such as coins.
167, 169, 1679: In Hong Kong, seven (七) and nine (九) both have similar pronunciations to and, respectively, two of "the five most insulting words (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Cantonese_profanity)" in Cantonese – the male genital. Six in Cantonese also has a similar pronunciation to an impolite word which is used to count the number of cylindrical objects. Therefore, 167, 169, 1679 and other creative combinations (such as the infamous taboo (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Taboo) "on-9-9") are dirty jokes in Hong Kong culture.
250: In Mandarin, 250 can mean "imbecile" if read in a certain way. 二百五 (èr bǎi wǔ), while literally being a correct way of reading 250 in informal speaking, is usually used to insult someone the speaker considers extremely foolish. Alternative ways such as 兩百五 (lǐang bǎi wǔ) and 二百五十 (èr bǎi wǔ shÃ*) do not have this meaning. There are several different versions of the origin of the use of 250 as an insult, and it is unclear which one is correct.
5354: "唔生唔死" (m4 saang1 m4 sei2 in Cantonese) sounds like "not alive, not dead". This often refers to something that is half dead or on the verge of death.
1314: This sounds like "one life, one death" in both Mandarin and Cantonese, and is often used romantically, akin to "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part" in English.
768: "七六八" (jyutping: cat1 luk6 baat3) rhymes with the phrase "一路發" (jyutping: jat1 lou6 faat3) in Cantonese, which means "fortune all the way." Alternatively, 168 "一六八" is sometimes used for the same term in Mandarin.
7456: In Mandarin, 7456 (qī sì wǔ liù) sounds marginally like "氣死我了"　(qì-sǐ wǒ -le, "to make me angry," "to piss me off"), and is sometimes used in internet slang (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Internet_slang).[5] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-Gao_CMC-4)
9413: "九死一生" (gau2 sei2 yat1 saang1 in Cantonese) – nine die to one live, meaning 90% chance of being dead and only 10% chance of being alive, or survived from such situations (a narrow escape).
521/5211314: In mandarin it is pronounced wu er yi, it sounds similar to wo ai ni. Which means I love you. 1314: also sounds like forever in cantonese. yut sung yut sei. which means one life one death in literal terms. Therefore 5211314 means I love you forever.
748: "七四八" In mandarin this number is pronounced "qì sǐ ba". If these numbers are stated in certain tones, it has a meaning which roughly translates into: "Why don't you go die?" This combination is more commonly used as an insult to others, or rather, an indirect death threat.
Any number of repeated 5s: "五" (wǔ) sounds like an onomatopoeia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Onomatopoeia) for crying, and is sometimes used in internet slang (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Internet_slang).

[CWH]

Really interesting stuff, guys and gals. I was thinking of Cheow as I read this thread and then it just popped into my head to see what a very old civilization thinks of the number 8. I'm just going to post the whole thing. In Chinese, there are auspicious numbers and inauspicious numbers. Here are the definitions. Seven is considered "spiritist or ghostly".

Any number of repeated 5s: "五" (wǔ) sounds like an onomatopoeia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Onomatopoeia) for crying, and is sometimes used in internet slang (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Internet_slang).



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In Chinese culture (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_culture), certain numbers are believed by some to be auspicious (吉利) or inauspicious (不利) based on the Chinese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_language) word that the number name sounds similar to. However some Chinese people regard these beliefs to be superstitions (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Superstition).
Lucky numbers are based on Chinese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_language) words that sound similar to other Chinese words. The numbers 6 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/6_(number)), 8 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/8_(number)), and 9 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/9_(number)) are believed to have auspicious meanings because their names sound similar to words that have positive meanings.


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1 Lucky numbers (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Lucky_numbers)

1.1 Two (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Two)
1.2 Three (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Three)
1.3 Five (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Five)
1.4 Six (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Six)
1.5 Seven (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Seven)
1.6 Eight (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Eight)
1.7 Nine (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Nine)

2 Unlucky numbers (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Unlucky_numbers)

2.1 Four (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Four)
2.2 Five (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Five_2)
2.3 Six (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Six_2)
2.4 Seven (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Seven_2)

3 Combinations (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#Combinations)
4 See also (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#See_also)
5 References (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#References)
6 External links (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#External_links)



[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=1)] Lucky numbers[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=2)] TwoThe number 2 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/2_(number)) (二 or 兩, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): èr or liăng) is most often considered a good number in Chinese culture. There is a Chinese saying: "good things come in pairs". It is common to use double symbols in product brandnames, such as double happiness, double coin and double elephants. In Cantonese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Cantonese), two (jyutping: yi6) is a homophone (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Homophone) of the character for "easy" (易). In Northern China, the number, when used as an adjective, can also mean "stupid".[1] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-0)
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=3)] ThreeThe number 3 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/3_(number)) (三, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): sān, jyutping: saam1) sounds similar to the character for "birth" (生, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): shēng, jyutping: saang1), and is considered a lucky number.[citation needed (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=4)] FiveThe number 5 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/5_(number)) (五, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wŭ) is associated with the five elements (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wu_Xing) (Water, Fire, Earth, Wood, and Metal) in Chinese philosophy (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_philosophy), and in turn was historically associated with the Emperor of China (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Emperor_of_China). For example, the Tiananmen (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Tiananmen) gate, being the main thoroughfare to the Forbidden City (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Forbidden_City), has five arches. It is also referred to as the pronoun "I"[citation needed (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)], as the pronunciations of "I" (我, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wŏ, and 吾, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wú) and 5 are similar in Mandarin.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=5)] SixThe number 6 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/6_(number)) (六, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): liù) in Mandarin is pronounced the same as "lio" (溜, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): liù) and similar to "fluid" (流, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): liú) and is therefore considered good for business. The number 6 also represents happiness. In Cantonese, this number is a homophone for blessings (祿 Lok). In I-Ching (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/I-Ching), the number 6 stands for "yin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Yin)".
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=6)] SevenThe number 7 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/7_(number)) (七, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): qī) symbolizes "togetherness". It is a lucky number for relationships. It is also recognized as the luckiest number in the West, and is one of the rare numbers that is great in both Chinese and many Western cultures. It is a lucky number in Chinese culture, because it sounds alike to the Chinese character 起 (Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): qǐ) meaning arise.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=7)] EightThe word for "eight" (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/8_(number)) (八 Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): bā) sounds similar to the word which means "prosper" or "wealth (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wealth)" (發 (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%99%BC) – short for "發財", Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): fā). In regional dialects the words for "eight" and "fortune" are also similar, e.g. Cantonese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Standard_Cantonese) "baat3" and "faat3".
There is also a visual [2] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-1) A total of 43 intermediate floor numbers are omitted from 39 Conduit Road: those missing include 14, 24, 34, 54, 64, all floors between 40 and 49; the floor number which follows 68 is 88.[3] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-hks20091022-2)

The switchboard telephone number of the Swiss investment bank Credit Suisse in London is +44 (0)207 8888888, where 44 is the country code for the UK and 0207 is the city code for central London. Credit Suisse has been rapidly expanding its business in investment banking, private wealth and other financial services in Asia in recent years.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=8)] NineThe number 9 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/9_(number)) (九, Pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): jiŭ, jyutping: gau2), was historically associated with the Emperor of China (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Emperor_of_China), and the number was frequently used in matters relating to the Emperor, before the establishment of the imperial examinations (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Imperial_examinations) officials were organized in the nine-rank system (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nine-rank_system), the nine bestowments (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nine_bestowments) were rewards the Emperor made for officials of extraordinary capacity and loyalty, while the nine familial exterminations (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nine_familial_exterminations) was one of the harshest punishments the Emperor sentenced; the Emperor's robes often had nine dragons, and Chinese mythology (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_mythology) held that the dragon has nine children. It also symbolizes harmony.
Moreover, the number 9 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/9_(number)) is a homophone of the word for "longlasting" (久), and as such is often used in weddings (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wedding).
Some Chinese today believe that nine is lucky (or believed by others to be lucky) because it is the largest single-digit (Arabic) number. However, this does not derive from any Chinese tradition, as the largest single-digit Chinese number is ten (十).
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=9)] Unlucky numbers[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=10)] FourMain article: Tetraphobia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Tetraphobia)
Number 4 (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/4_(number)) (四; accounting (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_numbers#Numeral_characters) 肆; pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin) sì) is considered an unlucky number (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Unlucky_number) in Chinese (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_culture) because it is nearly homophonous (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Homophonous) to the word "death" (死 pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin) sǐ). Due to that, many numbered product lines skip the "4": e.g. Nokia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Nokia) cell phones (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Cell_phones) (there is no series beginning with a 4),[4] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-3) Palm (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/PalmOne,_Inc.)[citation needed (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] PDAs (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Personal_digital_assistant), Canon PowerShot G (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Canon_PowerShot_G)'s series (after G3 goes G5), etc. In East Asia, some buildings do not have a 4th floor. (Compare with the Western practice of some buildings not having a 13th floor because 13 is considered unlucky.) In Hong Kong (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Hong_Kong), some high-rise residential buildings literally miss all floor numbers with "4", e.g. 4, 14, 24, 34 and all 40–49 floors, in addition to not having a 13th floor. As a result, a building whose highest floor is number 50 may actually have only 35 physical floors.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=11)] FiveAlthough five (五, pinyin: wǔ, jyutping: ng5) can represent "me" (吾, pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin): wú) in Mandarin, it is usually associated with "not" (Mandarin 無, pinyin (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Pinyin) wú, and Cantonese 唔 m4). If used for the negative connotation it can become good by using it with a negative. 54 means "not die" or "no death". If used for the positive it can be used as a possessive. 528 is a way of saying "no easy fortune for me". 53 ("ng5 saam1" in Cantonese) sounds like "m4 sang1 （唔生）" – "not live".
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=12)] SixSix in Cantonese which has a similar pronunciation to that of "lok6" (落, meaning "to drop, fall, or decline") may form unlucky combinations.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=13)] SevenSeven is considered spiritist or ghostly. The seventh month of the Chinese calendar (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Chinese_calendar) is also called the "Ghost Month". See Ghost Festival (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Ghost_Festival) for more detail. During July , the gates of hell are said to be open so ghosts and spirits are permitted to visit the living realm. However, the Chinese lunar calendar also has July 7 as Chinese Valentine's Day (七夕 qi xi), so the number 7 is not generally associated with bad luck. In most of the regions in China number 7 remains neutral or associated with luck.
[edit (http://www.biblewheel.com/w/index.php?title=Numbers_in_Chinese_culture&action=edit&section=14)] Combinations

28, 38: As eight means prosperity, twenty eight equates to 'double prosperity', 38 being one of the luckiest, often referred to as 'triple prosperity'. Especially lucky on monetary items such as coins.
167, 169, 1679: In Hong Kong, seven (七) and nine (九) both have similar pronunciations to and, respectively, two of "the five most insulting words (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Cantonese_profanity)" in Cantonese – the male genital. Six in Cantonese also has a similar pronunciation to an impolite word which is used to count the number of cylindrical objects. Therefore, 167, 169, 1679 and other creative combinations (such as the infamous taboo (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Taboo) "on-9-9") are dirty jokes in Hong Kong culture.
250: In Mandarin, 250 can mean "imbecile" if read in a certain way. 二百五 (èr bǎi wǔ), while literally being a correct way of reading 250 in informal speaking, is usually used to insult someone the speaker considers extremely foolish. Alternative ways such as 兩百五 (lǐang bǎi wǔ) and 二百五十 (èr bǎi wǔ shÃ*) do not have this meaning. There are several different versions of the origin of the use of 250 as an insult, and it is unclear which one is correct.
5354: "唔生唔死" (m4 saang1 m4 sei2 in Cantonese) sounds like "not alive, not dead". This often refers to something that is half dead or on the verge of death.
1314: This sounds like "one life, one death" in both Mandarin and Cantonese, and is often used romantically, akin to "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part" in English.
768: "七六八" (jyutping: cat1 luk6 baat3) rhymes with the phrase "一路發" (jyutping: jat1 lou6 faat3) in Cantonese, which means "fortune all the way." Alternatively, 168 "一六八" is sometimes used for the same term in Mandarin.
7456: In Mandarin, 7456 (qī sì wǔ liù) sounds marginally like "氣死我了"　(qì-sǐ wǒ -le, "to make me angry," "to piss me off"), and is sometimes used in internet slang (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Internet_slang).[5] (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/#cite_note-Gao_CMC-4)
9413: "九死一生" (gau2 sei2 yat1 saang1 in Cantonese) – nine die to one live, meaning 90% chance of being dead and only 10% chance of being alive, or survived from such situations (a narrow escape).
521/5211314: In mandarin it is pronounced wu er yi, it sounds similar to wo ai ni. Which means I love you. 1314: also sounds like forever in cantonese. yut sung yut sei. which means one life one death in literal terms. Therefore 5211314 means I love you forever.
748: "七四八" In mandarin this number is pronounced "qì sǐ ba". If these numbers are stated in certain tones, it has a meaning which roughly translates into: "Why don't you go die?" This combination is more commonly used as an insult to others, or rather, an indirect death threat.
Any number of repeated 5s: "五" (wǔ) sounds like an onomatopoeia (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Onomatopoeia) for crying, and is sometimes used in internet slang (http://www.biblewheel.com/wiki/Internet_slang).


Thanks heb 13-13 for your thoughts.

Wow, you seems to well-versed in Chinese and Chinese numerology. BTW, I am not very keen on Chinese numerology and I obviously understand what you are saying here. I am more interested in what is the hidden meaning in Chinese numbers and I have written some of my views in this forum. For example, the character of six 六 looks like a man with outstretched arms and legs and 666 looks like 3 persons (1ST BEAST, SECOND BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET), three 三 looks like 3 sticks or men stacked one on top of another (?TRINITY), four looks like a door as in hebrew Dalet, seven 七 looks a cross with a bended leg, eight 八 looks like a man standing, ten looks like a cross.

May Gods Blessings be with everyone of you. :pray:

[heb13-13]

Thanks heb 13-13 for your thoughts.

Wow, you seems to well-versed in Chinese and Chinese numerology. BTW, I am not very keen on Chinese numerology and I obviously understand what you are saying here. I am more interested in what is the hidden meaning in Chinese numbers and I have written some of my views in this forum. For example, the character of six 六 looks like a man with outstretched arms and legs and 666 looks like 3 persons (1ST BEAST, SECOND BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET), three 三 looks like 3 sticks or men stacked one on top of another (?TRINITY), four looks like a door as in hebrew Dalet, seven 七 looks a cross with a bended leg, eight 八 looks like a man standing, ten looks like a cross.

May Gods Blessings be with everyone of you. :pray:

Hi Cheow,

On the contrary, I don't understand any Chinese numerology, but I can read (and sometimes understand). No, did you not see that what I posted came from Wikipedia?

"Numbers in Chinese culture

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

I thought you and the community would find it interesting. I always find your insights into Chinese letters very interesting and thanks for telling me about some more.

God's blessings and peace to you,
Rick

[Bob May]

Since Richard and I have found another point of agreement in the typology of the tabernacle, I wanted to "run" with that more :winking0071:

In the tabernacle design, I see three "levels," if you will, of knowing the Lord: as The Way (Outer Court), The Truth (Holy Place) and The Life (Most Holy Place). The scriptures where Jesus claims to be the "gate" refer to knowledge of Him in this "Outer Court" realm; the ones about being a "Door" refer to that "Holy Place" realm, and all of it is leading to "The Life" -- Mature Sonship, "Perfection," and "Righteousness." I believe a lot of scripture has been misapplied simply from not understanding these different "realms."

Attached is a document detailing this more--I do not go into a lot of detail on all the typology in the tabernacle, just enough to get the general idea. But I do apply a lot of scripture that I believe is related, and not traditionally taught this way. Interested to know if this brings more agreement, and what others' thoughts are.

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By the way, Deb. We have digressed from your original topic.
It looks like you put a lot into it and I have printed it out and will read it. After just a few pages it is really good. I like how you found Grace and the number five to be synonymous.

Ge 43:29 And he lifted up his eyes, and saw his brother Benjamin, his mother's son, and said, Is this your younger brother, of whom ye spake unto me? And he said, God be gracious unto thee, my son.
Ge 43:30 And Joseph made haste; for his bowels did yearn upon his brother: and he sought where to weep; and he entered into his chamber, and wept there.

Ge 43:33 And they sat before him, the firstborn according to his birthright, and the youngest according to his youth: and the men marvelled one at another.
Ge 43:34 And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.

Ge 44:23 And thou saidst unto thy servants, Except your youngest brother come down with you, ye shall see my face no more.

Ge 45:3 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I am Joseph; doth my father yet live? And his brethren could not answer him; for they were troubled at his presence.
Ge 45:4 And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.
Ge 45:5 Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.

Jesus is revealed by Grace.
Paul was the Apostle of Grace and of the tribe of Benjamin. At the reunion Benjamin was the 13th counting Jacob and the brothers. Paul was and apostle born out of the time of the other 12. The 13th apostle.
The brothers dwelt together in Goshen after the reunion. Goshen is 13 and means Unity.

Both Benjamin and Joseph are 15 in Greek. None of the other brothers add up to that number.
Both were sons of Rachel who died/buried in Bethlehem and who's blood cried out for her children "for they were not." This was shortly after the birth of Christ when Herod commanded all the Boys from 2 years old and younger be killed.

Just some connections there you may want to think about.
And one question that has always puzzled me.
Why wasn't Rachel there at the reunion to fulfill the dreams of Joseph as a child.
Was she there in Joseph and Benjamin? Or is the idea of direct revelation being alluded to rather than reflected.

Remember, she was the Moon and Jacob the son in the Dream. And the moon is reflected light.
The dream was fulfilled but she was not there.
I know it is an important thing.
Bob

[debz]

By the way, Deb. We have digressed from your original topic.
It looks like you put a lot into it and I have printed it out and will read it. After just a few pages it is really good. I like how you found Grace and the number five to be synonymous.

Ge 43:29 And he lifted up his eyes, and saw his brother Benjamin, his mother's son, and said, Is this your younger brother, of whom ye spake unto me? And he said, God be gracious unto thee, my son.
Ge 43:30 And Joseph made haste; for his bowels did yearn upon his brother: and he sought where to weep; and he entered into his chamber, and wept there.

Ge 43:33 And they sat before him, the firstborn according to his birthright, and the youngest according to his youth: and the men marvelled one at another.
Ge 43:34 And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin's mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.

Ge 44:23 And thou saidst unto thy servants, Except your youngest brother come down with you, ye shall see my face no more.

Ge 45:3 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I am Joseph; doth my father yet live? And his brethren could not answer him; for they were troubled at his presence.
Ge 45:4 And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.
Ge 45:5 Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.

Jesus is revealed by Grace.
Paul was the Apostle of Grace and of the tribe of Benjamin. At the reunion Benjamin was the 13th counting Jacob and the brothers. Paul was and apostle born out of the time of the other 12. The 13th apostle.
The brothers dwelt together in Goshen after the reunion. Goshen is 13 and means Unity.

Both Benjamin and Joseph are 15 in Greek. None of the other brothers add up to that number.
Both were sons of Rachel who died/buried in Bethlehem and who's blood cried out for her children "for they were not." This was shortly after the birth of Christ when Herod commanded all the Boys from 2 years old and younger be killed.

Just some connections there you may want to think about.
And one question that has always puzzled me.
Why wasn't Rachel there at the reunion to fulfill the dreams of Joseph as a child.
Was she there in Joseph and Benjamin? Or is the idea of direct revelation being alluded to rather than reflected.

Remember, she was the Moon and Jacob the son in the Dream. And the moon is reflected light.
The dream was fulfilled but she was not there.
I know it is an important thing.
Bob

Bob, thank you for all this. The attached article you're reading is actually part of a larger book that I have written, describing the revelation/interpretation the Lord gave me after seeing the number "555" every day for 20 years. Most of the things you point out here are related and included in that book. It is interesting that you pointed out that Joseph and Benjamin both add to 15 -- I didn't know that...but it is VERY significant. I have seen in your posts all the revelation/understanding you are getting on Joseph...these are all related! If you'd like to read the whole book, PM me your email address :)