Job 1

[gilgal]

Take a look at Job 1 and Genesis 14 (spoke 1):

Genesis 14:13 KJV - And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these [were] confederate with Abram.

Job 1:15 KJV - And the Sabeans fell [upon them], and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Job 1:16 KJV - While he [was] yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Job 1:17 KJV - While he [was] yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
Job 1:19 KJV - And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

And maybe a Spoke 18 connection with Matthew 2:

Job 1:3 KJV - His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.

Matthew 2:1 KJV - Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

And Matthew's Gospel has gone eastward whereas Mark was Rome meaning westward, Luke went to Egypt or south and John went to Ephesus or north.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hey, that's a fairly good find. I checked the whole Bible and there's only a few veses that use that language, and most are in Job 1:


Book 1 (Genesis14:13) And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

1 Samuel 19:18 So David fled, and escaped, and came to Samuel to Ramah, and told him all that Saul had done to him. And he and Samuel went and dwelt in Naioth.

1 Samuel 23:13 Then David and his men, which were about six hundred, arose and departed out of Keilah, and went whithersoever they could go. And it was told Saul that David was escaped from Keilah; and he forbare to go forth.

2 Kings 9:15 But king Joram was returned to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which the Syrians had given him, when he fought with Hazael king of Syria.) And Jehu said, If it be your minds, then let none go forth nor escape out of the city to go to tell it in Jezreel.

Job 1:15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Job 1:17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Job 1:19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
But even more interesting is the word play between escape in Gen 14 (phaliyt) which has the first and last letters of Lot's name (Lamed Tet) in it.


6412 jyliP' paliyt {paw-leet'}
Meaning: 1) refugee, fugitive, escaped one
Usage: AV - escape 20, fugitives 1; 21



3876 jAl Lowt {lote}
Meaning: Lot = "covering" 1) son of Haran and Abraham's nephew who settled in Sodom and was delivered from its destruction by God


There's a lot of "word play" like this in the Bible. It's pretty obvious to a Hebrew reader.


A slightly different word is used in Job 1:


4422 jl;m' malat {maw-lat'}
Meaning: 1) to slip away, escape, deliver, save, be delivered 1a) (Niphal) 1a1) to slip away 1a2) to escape 1a3) to be delivered 1b) (Piel) 1b1) to lay, let slip out (of eggs) 1b2) to let escape 1b3) to deliver, save (life) 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to give birth to 1c2) to deliver 1d) (Hithpael) 1d1) to slip forth, slip out, escape 1d2) to escape

[gilgal]

Hey, that's a fairly good find. I checked the whole Bible and there's only a few veses that use that language, and most are in Job 1:


Book 1 (Genesis14:13) And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.

1 Samuel 19:18 So David fled, and escaped, and came to Samuel to Ramah, and told him all that Saul had done to him. And he and Samuel went and dwelt in Naioth.

1 Samuel 23:13 Then David and his men, which were about six hundred, arose and departed out of Keilah, and went whithersoever they could go. And it was told Saul that David was escaped from Keilah; and he forbare to go forth.

2 Kings 9:15 But king Joram was returned to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which the Syrians had given him, when he fought with Hazael king of Syria.) And Jehu said, If it be your minds, then let none go forth nor escape out of the city to go to tell it in Jezreel.

Job 1:15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Job 1:16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Job 1:17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Job 1:19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
But even more interesting is the word play between escape in Gen 14 (phaliyt) which has the first and last letters of Lot's name (Lamed Tet) in it.


6412 jyliP' paliyt {paw-leet'}
Meaning: 1) refugee, fugitive, escaped one
Usage: AV - escape 20, fugitives 1; 21



3876 jAl Lowt {lote}
Meaning: Lot = "covering" 1) son of Haran and Abraham's nephew who settled in Sodom and was delivered from its destruction by God


There's a lot of "word play" like this in the Bible. It's pretty obvious to a Hebrew reader.


A slightly different word is used in Job 1:


4422 jl;m' malat {maw-lat'}
Meaning: 1) to slip away, escape, deliver, save, be delivered 1a) (Niphal) 1a1) to slip away 1a2) to escape 1a3) to be delivered 1b) (Piel) 1b1) to lay, let slip out (of eggs) 1b2) to let escape 1b3) to deliver, save (life) 1c) (Hiphil) 1c1) to give birth to 1c2) to deliver 1d) (Hithpael) 1d1) to slip forth, slip out, escape 1d2) to escape
JR Church made a study in his magazine Prophecy in the News that throughout Genesis was a walk in the spiritual Tabernacle and that Lot meaning a covering or veil represented the first veil in the tabernacle which after that the Priest Melchizedek presented himself and gave bread and wine from the table of Shewbread (I don't know if wine was tolerated in the holy place).

[gilgal]

How about Job 2 and Exodus?
They mention boils.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

How about Job 2 and Exodus?
They mention boils.
Yes, and that's a relatively rare word. But how does it form a meaningful theme? What about all the links between books and chapters that don't follow the pattern of the Wheel? How do we discern between chance and design?

[gilgal]

Yes, and that's a relatively rare word. But how does it form a meaningful theme? What about all the links between books and chapters that don't follow the pattern of the Wheel? How do we discern between chance and design?
Yes I find Job to be one of the difficult books to see the pattern of the Biblewheel ...except for chapter 38.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Yes I find Job to be one of the difficult books to see the pattern of the Biblewheel ...except for chapter 38.
I take you are talking about the Inner Cycle of it's chapters, right? I mean, the connection between Job and Spoke 18 is totally obvious to you, isn't it?

[gilgal]

I take you are talking about the Inner Cycle of it's chapters, right? I mean, the connection between Job and Spoke 18 is totally obvious to you, isn't it?
Well yes Job is considered Righteous which is the 18th letter Tsaddey or Tsadik. But There's hardly any thematic link except for the 3 men in Genesis 18 and the 3 friends of Job unless it's not discovered yet.

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Theodicy.asp

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Job.asp

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Hunted.asp

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Words.asp

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Well yes Job is considered Righteous which is the 18th letter Tsaddey or Tsadik. But There's hardly any thematic link except for the 3 men in Genesis 18 and the 3 friends of Job unless it's not discovered yet.

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Theodicy.asp

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Job.asp

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Hunted.asp

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_Words.asp
Hardly a "thematic link" with what?

[gilgal]

Hardly a "thematic link" with what?
Matthew or 1John

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Matthew or 1John
Have you read the chapters in my book where I show the connections?

[gilgal]

Have you read the chapters in my book where I show the connections?
I bought the book and must have read it but gave it to someone else.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I bought the book and must have read it but gave it to someone else.
Well, most of the essential material is available online. Just click on Spoke 18 (http://localhost/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_God.asp). It shows how Job, Matthew, and 1 John are profoundly integrated with the primary meaning of the 18th letter Tzaddi (Righteousness).

[gilgal]

Well, most of the essential material is available online. Just click on Spoke 18 (http://localhost/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_God.asp). It shows how Job, Matthew, and 1 John are profoundly integrated with the primary meaning of the 18th letter Tzaddi (Righteousness).
Your link sends to the localhost.
But I find some books can clearly divide the chapters to the pattern of the innerwheels. Or the book of Jonah (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1916&highlight=jonah) shows a pattern of similar phrases between 1 and 3 and then 2 and 4, at least the chaptering of the Masoretic Text.
More on Jonah (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/search.php?searchid=381123)

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Your link sends to the localhost.
But I find some books can clearly divide the chapters to the pattern of the innerwheels. Or the book of Jonah (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1916&highlight=jonah) shows a pattern of similar phrases between 1 and 3 and then 2 and 4, at least the chaptering of the Masoretic Text.
More on Jonah (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/search.php?searchid=381123)
Doh! :doh: I was working on my localhost and inadvertantly took the link for there (it looks like the live site). Here is the corrected link: Spoke 18 (http://biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_God.asp).

Yes, the chapter sequences (Innner Cycles) of some books do have some striking connections with the Wheel - the book of Isaiah is the most stunning example of this. But the Inner Cycles are a secondary phenomenon not nearly as impressive, convincing, or significant as the Bible Wheel itself. This is because they are not found in all the books, and they aer based on the chapter sequences which are a very late addition to the Bible and have more of an "arbitrary" sense about them than the book order (though most skeptics insist both are arbitrary). And they are simply less "lucid" than the main pattern of books on the Bible Wheel and are more difficult to understand for most people. And it's more difficult to discern between chance and design. This is why it has always seemed odd that you focus almost entirely upon the Inner Cycle. I'm now getting the impression that you don't even think the pattern of the Bible Wheel is very significant, and that all the really important stuff is found by comparing chapter sequences of books. Is this correct?

[gilgal]

Doh! :doh: I was working on my localhost and inadvertantly took the link for there (it looks like the live site). Here is the corrected link: Spoke 18 (http://biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tzaddi_God.asp).

Yes, the chapter sequences (Innner Cycles) of some books do have some striking connections with the Wheel - the book of Isaiah is the most stunning example of this. But the Inner Cycles are a secondary phenomenon not nearly as impressive, convincing, or significant as the Bible Wheel itself. This is because they are not found in all the books, and they aer based on the chapter sequences which are a very late addition to the Bible and have more of an "arbitrary" sense about them than the book order (though most skeptics insist both are arbitrary). And they are simply less "lucid" than the main pattern of books on the Bible Wheel and are more difficult to understand for most people. And it's more difficult to discern between chance and design. This is why it has always seemed odd that you focus almost entirely upon the Inner Cycle. I'm now getting the impression that you don't even think the pattern of the Bible Wheel is very significant, and that all the really important stuff is found by comparing chapter sequences of books. Is this correct?
I underlined and marked footnotes and passages in my bible. There are pages that show a lot of underlining and pages that show hardly any.

Revelation was perhaps the 1st book which proved the biblewheel and guess what, I didn't learn it on your site although it was more detailed. I learned it from JR Church's Prophecy In The News Magazine. But he never concluded in the form that you suggested that the bible is divided in 3 sets/cycles of 22 books.

My first attempt to find patterns is find alphabetic keywords. Even though it may be a coincidence, it's a start.

The next step is to find/recall similar phrases in other passages or look at the footnotes/cross references already in your bible.

The significant links most probably have phrases including an alphabetic keyword. Or it would have an alphabetic keyword with a group of other words which go along with it such as table and chair.

And if you're thinking as to what kind of words to search, look at the alphabetic poetry in the bible such as Psalm 119 or Lamentations for some hints.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Revelation was perhaps the 1st book which proved the biblewheel and guess what, I didn't learn it on your site although it was more detailed. I learned it from JR Church's Prophecy In The News Magazine. But he never concluded in the form that you suggested that the bible is divided in 3 sets/cycles of 22 books.

It sounds like you are talking about his book The Mystery of the Menorah ... and the Hebrew Alphabet. He compared the 22 letters with the 22 chapters of Revelation. His treatment is pretty superficial, but he saw many of the obvious "hits" - such as Christ identifying himself as "Alpha and Omega" in chapter 1 (Aleph), and Chapter 4 opens with reference to a door (Dalet) being open in heaven, and so forth. But he made huge errors when he tried to force-fit the Bible onto the pattern of the alphabet because he did not accept the Bible as given (as is typical for Bibilcal fundamentalists) but argued rather for the "ancient form" because the Jews tried to force-fit it into a pattern of 22 books to fit the alphabet. His scheme failed miserably and utterly destroyed most of the real connections between the letters and books. This is why he never discovered the Bible Wheel - he didn't accept the Bible as given and started with the false assumption about the "ancient form" of the OT.

And then he compounded his error by aligning the NT with the 27 Hebrew letters by including the five final forms. This destroyed all the connections between the letters and the books. And it shows how anyone can find patterns in anything which is a primary argument used against all these kinds of projects. The fact that the world - especially the religious world - is filled with sloppy thinking and erroneous "pattern finding" made it essentially impossible for me to get any rational hearing for my work on the Bible Wheel. The skeptics had good reason to ignore it as the work of another foolish religious crank finding patterns in clouds and burnt toast.




And if you're thinking as to what kind of words to search, look at the alphabetic poetry in the bible such as Psalm 119 or Lamentations for some hints.
Yes, of course. The Alphabetic Verses like Psalm 119 are the very foundation of my book! Maybe you should read it sometime.

[gilgal]

It sounds like you are talking about his book The Mystery of the Menorah ... and the Hebrew Alphabet. He compared the 22 letters with the 22 chapters of Revelation. His treatment is pretty superficial, but he saw many of the obvious "hits" - such as Christ identifying himself as "Alpha and Omega" in chapter 1 (Aleph), and Chapter 4 opens with reference to a door (Dalet) being open in heaven, and so forth. But he made huge errors when he tried to force-fit the Bible onto the pattern of the alphabet because he did not accept the Bible as given (as is typical for Bibilcal fundamentalists) but argued rather for the "ancient form" because the Jews tried to force-fit it into a pattern of 22 books to fit the alphabet. His scheme failed miserably and utterly destroyed most of the real connections between the letters and books. This is why he never discovered the Bible Wheel - he didn't accept the Bible as given and started with the false assumption about the "ancient form" of the OT.

And then he compounded his error by aligning the NT with the 27 Hebrew letters by including the five final forms. This destroyed all the connections between the letters and the books. And it shows how anyone can find patterns in anything which is a primary argument used against all these kinds of projects. The fact that the world - especially the religious world - is filled with sloppy thinking and erroneous "pattern finding" made it essentially impossible for me to get any rational hearing for my work on the Bible Wheel. The skeptics had good reason to ignore it as the work of another foolish religious crank finding patterns in clouds and burnt toast.


Yes, of course. The Alphabetic Verses like Psalm 119 are the very foundation of my book! Maybe you should read it sometime.
It's true that him along with others anticipate things trying to fit in with the hebrew alphabet in the final form. But give them credit that there is an effort to understand the connection of the books with the alphabet.

When I found your site a little after that it was by accident. I was actually searching something random, I believe the Jewish feasts or the menorah or something.

But a few of the Revelation chapters opened with the word of the consecutive letter such as Revelation 4 starts with A door Daleth being the 4th letter, Revelation 13 A beast came out of the sea Mayim being the 13th letter.