Defining Faith..

[duxrow]

In the Old Testament, the word "Faith" is found only twice. The first place is by Moses in Deut 32:20 when he speaks of the Children in whom was "no faith". That was apparently in reference to those who had turned to new gods, to strange gods, instead of the Rock of Ages. Like today, when the leaders of this nation no longer recognize the God of the Bible, but are accepting any old god who submits the proper paperwork or gets past customs with their dumb(stupid) idols.

The second place :tea: the word 'faith' occurs is in Habakkuk 2. The Lord says: "write the vision and make it plain...that he may run that reads it. For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry...but the just shall live by his faith".

One intriguing aspect of the phrase "the just shall live by faith" is how we find it repeated in three (3) books of the New Testament. They aren't all on the same spoke, obviously, but does this fit some kind of pattern?

Romans 1:17 "The just shall live by faith".
Galatians 3:11 "The just shall live by faith".
Hebrews 10:38 "The just shall live by faith".

Just these three (3) books where Faith is defined, and no others!

Romans 10:17 "..Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". (Not by reading the opinions of mortal men.)
Galatians 5:6 "..Faith works by love". (Without love, faith doesn't work!).
Hebrews 11:1 "NOW Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (not seen "physically"?)

Who cares what others (mortal men) say about it? I'm able to read it for MYSELF. Hallelujah!:thumb:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

In the Old Testament, the word "Faith" is found only twice. The first place is by Moses in Deut 32:20 when he speaks of the Children in whom was "no faith". That was apparently in reference to those who had turned to new gods, to strange gods, instead of the Rock of Ages. Like today, when the leaders of this nation no longer recognize the God of the Bible, but are accepting any old god who submits the proper paperwork or gets past customs with their dumb(stupid) idols.

The second place :tea: the word 'faith' occurs is in Habakkuk 2. The Lord says: "write the vision and make it plain...that he may run that reads it. For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry...but the just shall live by his faith".

One intriguing aspect of the phrase "the just shall live by faith" is how we find it repeated in three (3) books of the New Testament. They aren't all on the same spoke, obviously, but does this fit some kind of pattern?

Romans 1:17 "The just shall live by faith".
Galatians 3:11 "The just shall live by faith".
Hebrews 10:38 "The just shall live by faith".

Just these three (3) books where Faith is defined, and no others!

Romans 10:17 "..Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". (Not by reading the opinions of mortal men.)
Galatians 5:6 "..Faith works by love". (Without love, faith doesn't work!).
Hebrews 11:1 "NOW Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (not seen "physically"?)

Who cares what others (mortal men) say about it? I'm able to read it for MYSELF. Hallelujah!:thumb:
That's a very interesting study. The three verses you found are the three that talk about the "just living by faith." And you are right, they do not all occur on the same Spoke. This exemplifies how there are many patterns in the Bible. It's like a tapestry with everything connecting with everything else. Things are not all "mechanically" aligned according to the Wheel. It's much more complicated (and interesting) that that. But there is a very significant pattern based on Aleph KeyWords and the idea of faith that do align on Spoke 1. The search for the word "faith" in English leaves out a lot of other relevant verses because the translators sometimes translated the same Hebrew root as "believe." Thus, a more complete study of "faith" in the OT would be to look at all occurrences of Aman, Emun, and Emunah, since they are all closely related.

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Aleph_KeyWords8.gif

Now the first occurrence of the root AMN is found in this famous verse, which could rightly be called the "Genesis of the Gospel":
Genesis 15:6 And he [Abram] believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
This verse is quoted in one and only one other book of the Bible:
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
I talk about this at length in my Spoke 1 article called The Election of Abraham, the Father of our Faith (http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Aleph_Abraham.asp). Note that words Abraham, Father (Av) and Faith (Emunah) are all Aleph KeyWords.

[duxrow]

Hey Rich,
Very good.. can we add Adam ('blood of God') to your list? I'm not that versed in Hebrew but am thinking of how the woman's blood is not shared with the baby.. and maybe an idea of whether the fertilization of an egg comes into play..
Tks for the list.. I kinda miss the prev. home page, but learning to use the new..
Blessings!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hey Rich,
Very good.. can we add Adam ('blood of God') to your list? I'm not that versed in Hebrew but am thinking of how the woman's blood is not shared with the baby.. and maybe an idea of whether the fertilization of an egg comes into play..
Tks for the list.. I kinda miss the prev. home page, but learning to use the new..
Blessings!

Yes, Adam is a significant Aleph KeyWord given that he was the "First" (Aleph) man.

I'm not sure about the Aleph (God) Dalet Mem (Blood) interpretation of ADM. I'd have to think about that more. There are multiple possible connections. The Aleph has a host of associations, "God" being only one of them. The primary ideas including First, Leader, Beginning, Strength ...

As for the home page - that's really only one link away from the old home page, as I trust you have discovered. But thanks for the feedback - it's always helpful.

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

Good study;
I would focus the absence of faith mentioned in Deut 32, as the absence of faith in the incarnation of God that occurred in the unbelieving Jews who disbelieved in Jesus in the first century. Deut 32 is the chapter of the last generation of the mosaic covenant in the first century. After Christ [circumcision and indwelling of heart of Deut 30:6-15] would come the end and 'latter end' of the mosaic covenant people who's faith remained in that covenant. To continue to sacrifice in the temple after Christ fulfilled the pattern of the passover lamb and bore the law of sin/suffering/death, to continue in the mosaic covenant sacrifice was to sacrifice to God's that their fathers did not know.
But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

16They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.

17They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

I think this idea is repeated in the early part of Isaiah 66.


1Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

2For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

Post Christ and cross...of the intercovanental 40 yr time; and beyond.
3He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

4I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.


Thanks to all who have participated in these discussions.