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White
10-15-2007, 07:44 PM
Peace among Jews, Christians and Muslims - within reach??? :pray::pray::pray:

I met an Orthodox Jewish Man - David Friedman from Israel and his wife Margalit last week. He is a Believer in Y'SHUA and is working with Muslims and Jews together to accept Y'SHUA as MESSIAH. He is leaving in 2 weeks to go to Holland for a meeting with other Congregational Leaders (Jews, Muslims, Christians all believing in MESSIAH Y'SHUA) - I'm going to give him my Biblewheel Book to take with him. He has incredible stories to tell - including Hamas Terrorists who have converted and believe in Y'SHUA, embracing Israelis instead of killing them. David Friedman has written several books - Goggle: Dr.
David Friedman, Jerusalem/Israel - I found his book on Torah observance on Amazon- Dr. Friedman's Father was an Orthodox RABBI and Dr. Friedman is a Torah observant Jewish man who believes in Y'SHUA HA-MASHIACH as LORD and SAVIOR of all people. Isaiah 19:25 is their mission - see below:

Here is the Text of Isaiah 19:25 , actually start with 19:19:

19 In that day there will be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar to the LORD at its border. 20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the LORD because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them. 21 Then the LORD will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the LORD in that day, and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the LORD and perform it. 22 And the LORD will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the LORD, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land, 25 whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, 'Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.'


Commentary:
19:18-25 The words, In that day, do not always refer to the passage just before. At a time which was to come, the Egyptians shall speak the holy language, the Scripture language; not only understand it, but use it. Converting grace, by changing the heart, changes the language; for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. So many Jews shall come to Egypt, that they shall soon fill five cities. Where the sun was worshipped, a place infamous for idolatry, even there shall be a wonderful reformation. Christ, the great Altar, who sanctifies every gift, shall be owned, and the gospel sacrifices of prayer and praise shall be offered up. Let the broken-hearted and afflicted, whom the Lord has wounded, and thus taught to return to, and call upon him, take courage; for He will heal their souls, and turn their sorrowing supplications into joyful praises. The Gentile nations shall not only unite with each other in the gospel fold under Christ, the great Shepherd, but they shall all be united with the Jews. They shall be owned together by him; they shall all share in one and the same blessing. Meeting at the same throne of grace, and serving with each other in the same business of religion, should end all disputes, and unite the hearts of believers to each other in holy love. (end of commentary)

May the LORD have mercy on us, may HE open our eyes, our ears, our hearts to HIS LOVE and HIS TRUE SACRIFICE for all of manking and may He accomplish all that is written in HIS WORD - In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with GOD and the WORD was GOD... Shalom to all...:pray:

This is the main reason I have been going to daily Mass since Summer of 2000 to pray for the Jews and after 2001 for the Muslims as well, such as
Jews, Christians and Muslims may have PEACE / SHALOM with Y'shua in the HEART OF ALL - May the LORD bring HIS PLAN together as HE HAS IT WRITTEN from the beginning of time. Shalom :yo:

Shalom to Jerusalem and the Holy Land, SHalom among Jews, CHristians and Muslims with Y'SHUA in the heart of all people. Shalom!
Monique (White) :pray::pray::pray:

Richard writes:
Isaiah 19 is facinating. I love the vision of salvation for all people that it reveals. Egypt once was an enemy of Israel - some day they will be brothers and sisters in the Lord!


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Richard Amiel McGough
10-16-2007, 11:09 AM
Peace among Jews, Christians and Muslims - within reach??? :pray::pray::pray:

I met an Orthodox Jewish Man - David Friedman from Israel and his wife Margalit last week. He is a Believer in Y'SHUA and is working with Muslims and Jews together to accept Y'SHUA as MESSIAH. He is leaving in 2 weeks to go to Holland for a meeting with other Congregational Leaders (Jews, Muslims, Christians all believing in MESSIAH Y'SHUA) - I'm going to give him my Biblewheel Book to take with him. He has incredible stories to tell - including Hamas Terrorists who have converted and believe in Y'SHUA, embracing Israelis instead of killing them. David Friedman has written several books - Goggle: Dr.
David Friedman, Jerusalem/Israel - I found his book on Torah observance on Amazon- Dr. Friedman's Father was an Orthodox RABBI and Dr. Friedman is a Torah observant Jewish man who believes in Y'SHUA HA-MASHIACH as LORD and SAVIOR of all people. Isaiah 19:25 is their mission - see below:
Hi Monique,

How did you meet David and his wife? It sounds like you have some pretty good "connections" with the messianic community. It seems God really blesses you in this ministry.

Thanks for sharing the book with him. Please let me know if he has any questions. A local bookstore has his book They Loved the Law (http://www.amazon.com/They-Loved-Torah-Yeshuas-Followers/dp/1880226944/ref=sr_1_1/103-0757130-7718202?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1192552241&sr=8-1) so I'm going to go get it today and read it.

I stand with you completely in the prayer that Jews, Muslims, and nominal Christians would all come to a living faith in Jesus Christ. :pray: But as you know, I would not advocate "Torah observance." It seems to me to lead away from Christ, not to him. For example, the Torah commands circumcision, but Paul warns us "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." It seems to me that a person has only two choices:

1) Obey the Torah and disobey the New Testament
2) Obey the New Testament and disobey the Torah

How do you understand this? I have discussed it with other "Torah observant" messianics and they said that the Torah was "changed" so we don't have to do circumcision any more. So I said "Well, if circumcision is changed, why not the Sabbath which was only a 'shadow'"? They couldn't explain that.

Another big problem is the teaching that Christians are supposed to follow the man-made laws like KOSHER food laws that are not in the Bible. For example, the Jews say you can not eat cheese and meat together. They base that idea on the prohibition against seething a kid in its "mother's milk." But look how it contradicts the plain text of the Bible! In Genesis 18 Abraham "took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them [the angels of the Lord]; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat." What do you think about this? Is it OK to have a cheeseburger? Do you eat pork? Shellfish? It would be very interesting to know how you understand "Torah obsvervance."

It seems to me that even the kosher food laws of the Torah are abolished because Peter ate with non-kosher Gentiles until people from James came and intimidated him with their "Torah observance." Paul condemned that behaviour as "hypocrisy." To put it plainly, it seems to me that "Torah observance" is a pride-based system that re-divides the Body of Christ into Jews and Gentiles. Do you think there is any difference between Jews and Gentiles now that Christ has died to make "one new man"?

It also seems to me that literal "Torah observance" is an impossibility. Even if I wanted to "obey Torah" in a literal sense, I could not because there is no Temple in Jerusalem. And why is there no Temple in Jerusalem? Because God Almighty destroyed it after the TRUE TEMPLE - Jesus Christ - came and fulfilled the purpose of the shadow temple made of sticks and stones. That marked the end of the whole TORAH based system of sacrifices and food laws and all of that. It ended with the final sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And I guess that's the real problem with "Torah observance." It seems inevitably to denigrate Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. I just can't find anything good about it at all.

I know we differ on this, but I wonder, why can't we discuss it? I think its important that we try to understand each other. I mean, if you are hoping for peace between Muslims, Jews, and Christians, I would think we could hasten the day if we could find a common understanding between us two Christians! :hippie::tea: :hippie:

I really hope we can just discuss this without folks getting upset.

In the Peace of Christ,

Richard

White
10-16-2007, 01:42 PM
Hey Richard,

Ok, we are back at it but I have to take a work breather, just posted under the 144'000 - But I'll get back to this, soon, I promise...

Hey, do you have "classy looking lady" rather than a hippy drinking my favorite beverage / coffee? Find her and I'll answer soon, ok?

Shalom,
Monique

White
10-16-2007, 05:25 PM
Hey Richard,

I was over on the "144 000"thread - I put some of my thoughts over "there", but I'll work on this a little more tomorrow - Got to run - my Prayer evening
is at hand -


I'll say some special prayers for the BIBLEWHEEL and all who participate
Shalom
Monique

Richard Amiel McGough
10-16-2007, 10:20 PM
Hey Richard,

Ok, we are back at it but I have to take a work breather, just posted under the 144'000 - But I'll get back to this, soon, I promise...
Hey Monique,

Yeah, I saw your posts over there. Thanks! They were very interesting. I answered over there.

I just read most of David Friedman's "They Loved the Torah" and posted a few of my comments in this new thread (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2807#post2807). Unfortunately, his book didn't address any of the theological issues raised by the idea a Christian being "Torah observant."


Hey, do you have "classy looking lady" rather than a hippy drinking my favorite beverage / coffee? Find her and I'll answer soon, ok?

Shalom,
Monique
Now that's a good idea! I'll hop right to it!

Richard