Psalm 44

[Rose]

This Psalm is addressed to the Chief Musician: It is a cry to God to answer the question of why they are being unjustly punished....the question goes unanswered.
Psalm 44:8-16 In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah. But thou hast cast off, and put us to shame; and goest not forth with our armies. Thou makest us to turn back from the enemy: and they which hate us spoil for themselves. Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen. Thou sellest thy people for nought, and dost not increase thy wealth by their price. Thou makest us a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and a derision to them that are round about us. Thou makest us a byword among the heathen, a shaking of the head among the people. My confusion is continually before me, and the shame of my face hath covered me, For the voice of him that reproacheth and blasphemeth; by reason of the enemy and avenger.
Psalm 44:17-19 All this is come upon us; yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant. Our heart is not turned back, neither have our steps declined from thy way; Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.

Psalm 44:23-26 Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever. Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression? For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth. Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

The author of this Psalm does not seem to be afraid of accusing God of unjust treatment when they have neither strayed from keeping the Covenant, or turned from following God....in fact they boast of God all the day long! The author also questions God as to why he is sleeping, and hiding his face from them when they are being afflicted and oppressed without a cause by their neighbors. These are very strong accusations directed at God and we who read the Bible today are left without an answer to this very important question.

Rose

[CWH]

This is a good example of how faithful and persevere those people were even in the face of tribulations and death. They questioned God and plead for His interventions knowing that their faith and perserverance will be rewarded whether on earth or in heaven.....remember whoever perservered will be saved. We all should be like them for we do not know if God is testing us for our faith and perseverance..... knowing that God will reward us in life or in death for our faith in Him.

Many Blessings.

[Charles Wade]

Hi Rose, I hope you don't mind me quoting your blog.

This is my first annual Progress Report on how far I have come since I started my Blog a year ago. It began as a journey to discover what I actually believed about my faith in the Bible, vowing to keep an open mind and to be free in declaring what I found. My first post was titled Metamorphosis, reflecting the Avatar of my Blog, a Butterfly; in it I tried to capture the idea of transformation and change….the question in my mind being: What is the Bible, and how does it reflect on mankind? Is it the literal word of God, or merely a collection of myths and stories expressing ideas of ancient man?

Your last thoughts on Genesis 1 & 2 creation stories so far [I presume] has led you to believe this:This negative theme that emerges in chapter 2 continues on into chapter 3 and beyond in striking contrast to the theme of the overall goodness of life presented in chapter 1, giving the strong impression that these two accounts of creation were not written by the hand of the same person, nor given by the mouth of the same god.

Given the fact that there are two renditions of how God created man, one positive and one negative, and knowing that both cannot be true, it seems likely that neither is true in the literal sense, but rather they are two different mythological accounts influenced by the prevailing ideas of the time periods in which they were written.

My question :Does this in your mind leave the Bible just a book of myths, and of no valid use for instructions on how to ascend to our previous home with our creator ?
Thanks, Chas.

[Rose]

Hi Rose,

My question :Does this in your mind leave the Bible just a book of myths, and of no valid use for instructions on how to ascend to our previous home with our creator ?
Thanks, Chas.

Hi Chas,

I hold the Bible to be a very valuable piece of ancient literature, reflecting ideas of how humans thought they experienced God going back 3000 years. Myths from all cultures are extremely important to the understanding of the collective Archetypes common to us all, and while I don't believe God to actually be the way he is portrayed in the Bible, I do believe that the Bible accurately reflects what man has understood God to be.

All the Best,
Rose

[Rose]

This is a good example of how faithful and persevere those people were even in the face of tribulations and death. They questioned God and plead for His interventions knowing that their faith and perserverance will be rewarded whether on earth or in heaven.....remember whoever perservered will be saved. We all should be like them for we do not know if God is testing us for our faith and perseverance..... knowing that God will reward us in life or in death for our faith in Him.

Many Blessings.

My point was that the question of the Psalmist was not answered regarding why they were chosen for unjust persecution from God when they were faithful to His Covenant? Is this what is to be expected when one follows after God? It appears so....at least according to Psalm 44.


Rose

[Charles Wade]

Rose I have to agree with you. Not to long ago I would have not been able to agree with what we both now agree on, but maybe in a little different degree of light. I see your faith in the creator is still intact, but open season on the nature of our God, by the contradictions that you & I discern in so called scripture. Our adversary has hidden the deity of God very well, by misinforming us of our creators nature by every opportunity given to him.
I am content in knowing the truth of this matter to the extent: I know the letter of the law, kills the spirit, so the myths or contradictions/inaccuracies/discrepancies no longer bother me at all.

Knowing that our garment was re-devised or re-fabricated by the creator of all spirits, and all spirits were originally created pure, but also with free will. This new garment/flesh/body that houses our soul & spirit also came without a memory from whence we came. But, we are given free will & intellect[most rely on this alone] and a spirit inside us to to guide us and presents truths to us to accept or deny. This allows us to figure out [once the thought is presented] why our memory has been erased of our origin & our first apostasy. Look @ the message to the church in Ephesus which was nearly perfected, but God still had somewhat against them, because they had not yet repented of leaving their first love. God told them to remember from where they had fallen and to repent.....

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
And then backed it up with a promise to the churches.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Very few humans will take the thought of life & afterlife and really ponder past what the unlearned Christians overlook daily.
What in hell did we do to be here now on this earth and have no memory of our spiritual origin/home. Many Christians say they want to go home, but they don't seem to know from whence they came, as Jesus the son of man certainly figured out @ an early age, and proclaimed as to where He was from & where He was going.That's our brother,remember?

Christians, even knowing of the fallen stars/angels of rev 12, still seem to think that rebellion started with Adam & Eve. Still even overlooking the power Adam & Eve were given;that is creative powers, called pro-creation,while here on earth, which is necessary for God's eternal plan of salvation to be fulfilled in the many ages to come.This being allegoric/parable to God's creative powers and His image/personage as a loving Father with a Son.How else could a human come close to fathom a spirit full of pure love, that can not be seen nor has a personage, except by parables or analogies.

Then, these first two cats get captured by the tree of Knowledge[it speaks for itself],forsaking the tree of life [pure truth & wisdom from our creator just by asking ] and left us,their earthly children to grapple in the darkness.
Just by letting our adversary preach a Damning sermon on this tree of death/knowledge and also with their memory erased of why they are in flesh on earth, they believed his lie again, and again acted on his word. So, here it is all over again; the intellect/knowledge overruling the spirit of life ,the spirit that God breathed into Adam & how Adam became a living soul in the flesh.

Thanks for the response Rose and the opportunity to put my 2 cents in.

Hi Chas,

I hold the Bible to be a very valuable piece of ancient literature, reflecting ideas of how humans thought they experienced God going back 3000 years. Myths from all cultures are extremely important to the understanding of the collective Archetypes common to us all, and while I don't believe God to actually be the way he is portrayed in the Bible, I do believe that the Bible accurately reflects what man has understood God to be.

All the Best,
Rose


BD 7884 received 3.5.1961



THE LETTER KILLS.... LIFELESS PROCLAIMERS OF THE WORD....

It is the spirit which gives life.... and every letter read with an unawakened spirit kills; it will remain incomprehensible to the human being regardless of how much effort he intellectually exerts in order to fathom its meaning.... And this has led to many errors, insofar as that My Word was translated or preached to fellow human beings by people who were spiritually unawakened themselves and who let their intellect dictate where the heart alone should have been able to judge or clarify matters had My spirit been allowed to express itself through it.

I Myself was no longer able to speak to people through a preacher; instead he provided them with his own teachings and explanations which no longer corresponded to the truth. And thus the meaning of the Gospel, which I Myself taught on earth, became increasingly more distorted in due course, and only a few read 'My Word' with an awakened spirit and derive the right benefit from it for their souls.
For all others, however, the strength of My Word remains ineffective, they listen to it, but because they don't understand it correctly, they don't live accordingly and therefore cannot attain spiritual awakening either....

For rarely will preachers mention the 'working of the spirit in the human being' because they don't understand it themselves.... because they don't know that it is the direct result of a life of love and that they would be able to convince themselves that they become brightly illuminated if they lived a life of love themselves.... They read the sentence: The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.... and don't know what it means.... for they are still spiritually unawakened themselves.

And this is why one can almost speak of a dead Christendom, this is why My Word, which is contained in the Book of Books, does not do a lot for people anymore, this is why the faith has become faint and weak, it lacks the strength of life, for it can only come alive through love, and love awakens the spirit....

And if only a tender seedling grows from the warmth of love, then it will soon become strong and vigorous.... A living faith will develop and everything will awaken to life which so far had lain dormant in the person.... The soul will arise and allow itself to be influenced by the spark of spirit, it will come alive and never ever lose this life again. But then the person will also understand every Word which originated from Me.... he will be able to distinguish error from truth and by no means fall prey to error, for then he will be instructed by the spirit and empty letters will mean nothing to him, he will know the spiritual meaning of the Word.... And every Word that once came forth from Me and reaches his ears and heart will grant him life.

Then he will truly no longer be a dead Christian and also be able to vividly testify to Me, he will not just use the Words of the Scriptures but also be capable of clarifying their spiritual meaning.... he will in truth be a teacher of his fellow human beings in accordance with My will, for he then will let Me Myself be in him so that I can express Myself through the spirit when he instructs his fellow human beings....

And only those who work on My instructions are My true servants.... For I do not call a pro-claimer of My Word who only knows the letters without understanding their spiritual meaning My servant.... because he has appointed himself and not made himself worthy of My calling first, which requires that a person wanting to work for Me is spiritually awake. Yet as soon as he not only teaches love, which is the epitome of My Gospel.... as soon as he also lives a life of love, he will also awaken the spirit in him to life, and then he will be a welcome servant for Me through whom I will be able to work, through whom I will be able to address people Myself who then can also perceptibly feel the strength of My Word.... And those who allow themselves to be awakened will come to life again, who look for Me with a sincere will and appeal to Me for the strength of My spirit.... For they will make an effort to live My Word.... by living a life of love they will awaken the spirit within them, they will no longer be lifeless proclaimers of My Word but full of life and bearing witness to Me....

Amen

[joel]

Given the fact that there are two renditions of how God created man, one positive and one negative, and knowing that both cannot be true, it seems likely that neither is true in the literal sense, but rather they are two different mythological accounts influenced by the prevailing ideas of the time periods in which they were written.

My question :Does this in your mind leave the Bible just a book of myths, and of no valid use for instructions on how to ascend to our previous home with our creator ?
Thanks, Chas.


Chas,

Please consider that Genesis 1, and Genesis 2 are not two different renditions of the same event......but........two different phases altogether.

Genesis 1 is the creation of the system, and the finishing of all of the hosts thereof.
Genesis 2 is the beginning of the process of God placing His created creatures into the system, introducing the prototype first. In the case of humanity, all of which we already created......in that all of the hosts of heaven and earth were completed......Adam was the first of humanity that was placed into a body.....out of whom would come forth all subsequent humans which all existed before Genesis 2 and the process of placing them in physical bodies began.

Joel

[Charles Wade]

Rose, I found something[among many by BD] that very accurately describes your answer.I will post one & bold it in red.I am amazed as to how a person can entertain such thoughts,whether they read it [like in my case] or studied into it & then just received the thoughts and then ponder the thoughts for the truth.

Either way it still leaves free will to accept or deny the pure truth, and it also takes a strong determination for truth, just to entertain the thoughts & to deeply ponder the new strange thoughts. Thoughts that many people think they had actually generated from their intellect/ego.

It just don't work that way because most believers have read,but are not enlightened enough to the concept that the flesh can not understand the things of the spirit.There is where God has leveled the playing field of intellect for all contestants that choose to enter this race for the truth.
Here is a link if you are interested. There are many comments on this subject that you already have the concept of.These comments bolster your concepts. http://bertha-dudde.info/english/search/index.php?suchausdruck=pre+adam&Submit=start+search&neue_suche=1&von_Month=01&von_Year=1937&bis_Month=12&bis_Year=1965

Hi Chas,I hold the Bible to be a very valuable piece of ancient literature, reflecting ideas of how humans thought they experienced God going back 3000 years. Myths from all cultures are extremely important to the understanding of the collective Archetypes common to us all, and while I don't believe God to actually be the way he is portrayed in the Bible, I do believe that the Bible accurately reflects what man has understood God to be.All the Best,
Rose

An old prospector on his mule arrived in town at the assay office in the 1800's in Arizona territory U.S.A.. A crowd quickly gathered in & around the assay office because the old prospector pulled a big 13 lb gold nugget from a sack as he got off his mule.
A man asked the old prospector: "Where did you dig that gold up at"?
The old prospector replied: I didn't dig it up,I watched a coyote dig it up!
The crowd roar, and the inquisitive fellow said: " Ahhh old man, you just don't want to tell the truth as how and where you dug this up at.
The old man replied: "Does it matter that a coyote dug it up,evidence of the truth remains, because it is still gold".

That is how I feel about B.D. and her claim as to the source of her revelations." It is still gold " to me, while it is fool's gold to others.

Sorry I just can't cut & paste the part because I have agreed that I will not change in anyway, and also post the entire proclamation in its context to avoid confusion. This is the only requirement asked of the very very few that have the desire to present what they consider as truth delivered by the servant & maiden, hand of Bertha Dudde, by the power of her God.

Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

I have added all the bold & the red highlight in bold and this proclamation is actually a continuation of the previous one http://bertha-dudde.info/english/wordofgod/07_html/8/8236.html

BD 8237 received 11.8.1962

Was Adam the only human being created by God?.... (Continuation of no. 8236)

You are most certainly working according to My will when you distribute the spiritual knowledge which is conveyed to you from above. For it is important to provide clarification to many more people who genuinely want to receive it.... Time and again I tell you that people have considerably diverted from the truth but that they hold on to their wrong thinking because even a correct clarification does not seem acceptable to them.

However, it is the time of the end, and the length of time from the start of a period of Salvation until now is too long that evidence could be produced regarding the events which took place when the first human beings took possession of the earth. Yet even the first people themselves lacked a correct realisation, since they were burdened by the original sin, from which they could have liberated themselves had they passed their test of will....

They were spiritually still unenlightened and unaware of the correlations between the spiritual and the earthly kingdom, since due to Lucifer's temptation they changed their love when the pure spark of love from Me became clouded due to their fall into sin.... otherwise it would have been impossible for people to descend ever further until the human race, Adam's descendants, lost itself in unbelief, for the sin to get out of hand....

They didn't recognise the correlations and lived a purely earthly life. And although time and again beings of light embodied themselves on earth, too, in order to give people instructions and explain the purpose of existence to them their thinking nevertheless remained limited, and thus limited thinking was then also reproduced, the condition for profound wisdoms didn't exist.... which includes My reign and activity throughout the whole of Creation. But neither did people's limited thinking allow for such clarifications relating to the broad scope of Creation, which can be noted on earth alone and which My might and wisdom, My love for all created beings always and forever animated with the apostatised spirits, which were to accomplish their return to Me on this said work of creation called Earth. And according to their narrow field of vision they also only described the narrow region which they themselves occupied.... And an account was given of the earthly process of development since Adam and Eve, the ancestral parents which, however, does not mean that the same happened in other places on earth, since these were still so far apart for the first human beings and partly separated by large areas of water, that every territory was a world in itself where the once fallen spirits were able to mature and embody themselves in a human being.

However, every nation has a different idea about its origin, its emergence and its concept of God. And neither does it lack teachers which descend from above, so that people also perceive their earthly task to strive towards an as yet unknown Deity, to call upon it and to endeavour to live in a good and righteous way. And as soon as they develop divine love, unselfish neighbourly love, within themselves, their thinking will also come close to the truth.... Yet time and again it has to be emphasised that all nations endorse different schools of thought but that the knowledge about Jesus Christ and His act of Salvation has to be taken to every single nation so that their liberation from the body can still be completed on earth. And although the various schools of thought and religions do not match each other, the teaching of love in each one will nevertheless be the decisive factor, and maturity will be attained by the one who lives up to love, and the disposition for this is indeed inherent in every nation.... But people will intensify and deepen their contact with each other around the world and that also means that they can all be informed of Jesus Christ and His act of Salvation, so that He can be acknowledged and the dedication to Him can follow, which then will also lead to unity with Me, to the return to Me, and that release from the physical form will be guaranteed, so that the once fallen original spirit reaches its goal and returns home again into its Father's house to be blissfully happy, as it was in the beginning....

Amen