Where did the ideas of Satan and the Fallen Angels come from?

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The Old Testament says almost nothing about Satan or fallen angels or demon possession.

But it seems like everyone in the New Testament had inherited from Jewish and Greek traditions all sorts of ideas about Satan, fallen angels, demon possession, principalities and powers, and all sorts of other metaphysical ideas that were not revealed in the Old Testament, and which now are believed as "Biblical Truths" by most fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians.

So where did that information come from? For example, folks would come to Jesus and say their kids were demon possessed. Where did they learn about demons? Why should we believe their info was correct?

Are we supposed to hold to the world view of ignorant first century peasants?

[Brother Les]

Foreign idol worship, balam.



As 'children' we always seemed to like the 'ideas' of a 'Santa Clause'.... gifts for free. But then the 'adults' inject the "he sees you when your sleeping and knows when you are awake, and knows if you are bad or good....."

Where is the hard core 'proof' that St. Nick is all seeing and knowing.... it an't there.... but 'we' want to 'believe' that it is possiable.


Or...did the 'Rabbis' not have the gumption to say "God did it" or "man(we) did it"....they took the easy way out and blamed a 'third party' that may not have even existed. 'the devil' made me 'do it' '.


Also....'stuff' happens..... it is not God caused or Man caused.... it is nature and a natural cause.....

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Foreign idol worship, balam.



As 'children' we always seemed to like the 'ideas' of a 'Santa Clause'.... gifts for free. But then the 'adults' inject the "he sees you when your sleeping and knows when you are awake, and knows if you are bad or good....."

Where is the hard core 'proof' that St. Nick is all seeing and knowing.... it an't there.... but 'we' want to 'believe' that it is possiable.


Or...did the 'Rabbis' not have the gumption to say "God did it" or "man(we) did it"....they took the easy way out and blamed a 'third party' that may not have even existed. 'the devil' made me 'do it' '.


Also....'stuff' happens..... it is not God caused or Man caused.... it is nature and a natural cause.....
I agree with those explanations .... but if they are true, why have Christians believed they are "God's truth" taught in the Bible?

Is Christianity fundamentally unbiblical?

[Beck]

My thought or guess would be that they accepted some pagan ideas and incorperated them into their lives. Another concept would have been that your past family may have caused this hardship upon you.

The idea of satan and his fallen angels is in a way told in a mystical sence bring about how men disobey God's will. In a way the Jewish nation told stories from generation to generation to hand down their heritage. Some of these ideas from neighboring nations filted into these stories and beliefs.

[Gil]

Howdy,



Richard,


Gil > It appears from your apparent shift from the Bible , as in not finding the truth you seek ; You have moved your position to more modern evolutionary thoughts and concepts.
Not Darwinism from an atheists perspective but through the search for life and truth by not supernatural means but by natural means through the creation process itself.
Your focus now being on disproving myth and Biblical concepts.
True or not true. Just my observation.
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Les,

Gil > All these stories are biblically based.
same with Halloween.
They are passed on from generation to generation to their children.
Characters that may be fictional, but are symbols of biblical truth.
Young minds beginning their journeys through Life ,that if and when they do turn to scripture they come into remembrance of things already told them that the shift from one to the other becomes an easy chore. Pre-programming of the Mind.
If they never seen a Bible there are lessons to be learned, never the less.

I see it to be a good idea.

Even Nature and natural cause had a beginning.

In the beginning there was GOD and this GOD is ONE SPIRIT as a Whole.
He himself was separated into Spirit and Soul.
There is Man in the Flesh.
There is Man in the Spirit.
In the end there is GOD and this GOD is ONE SPIRIT as a Whole.

The players are GOD - his creation and MAN
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Beck,

Gil > All Spirits dwell within Bodies.
A disembodied spirit has no Soul.
Lucifer, Satan, and his angels have the same Spirit as the Whole.
God, his Son and his angels have the same Spirit as a Whole.
Within mans mind is found heaven and hell since the time that consciousness was fully formed to be placed in man.
The dwelling place of the Spirit and Soul as Earth are still there and functioning.
Now it was Mans turn to Bara/create and fill the surface of the Earth with their kind.

Demons exist as evil thoughts within mans mind.
They are the thoughts of evil spirits made manifest in mans mind.

The cobweb of deities that there be , are named as to the purpose and function they were to manifest or perform within nature or man.
All were given the attributes of either man or nature, or a combination of both.

This would change through Jesus > Christ and Paul.