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02-02-2011, 07:24 PM

Shalom Mishpocah
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"Jews around the world observed the holiday of Sukkot's Hoshana Rabbah on Friday, 10/09/2009. (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-339998?ref=feeds%252Flatest)

Hoshana Rabbah
The day is known as the day of the final sealing of judgment for the coming year" Seven circuits are made in the celebration
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The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html) , Awarded On Friday, 10/09/2009 Barack H. Obama
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Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold 'a white horse' and 'he that sat on him had' 'a bow and a crown 134' was given unto him 200' and 'he went forth 142' conquering and to conquer 270. = 1225 - 10395
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Crown: Stephanos 1) Noun, Strong # 4735 <> ...1 ) the wreath or garland which was given as a PRIZE to victors in public games.
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Daniel 9:27 And he shall Confirm the Covenant with Many for one week:
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Strong's Concordance = 207 a1 b2 c3 - z26
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Confirm: Gabar (gaw-bar’); Verb, Strong # 1396: to prevail, have strength, strengthen, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
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Covenant: B@riyth (ber-eeth’); Noun Feminine, Strong # 1285: covenant, alliance, pledge, treaty, league, constitution, ordinance, agreement
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Many: Rab (rab); Adjective, Strong # 7227: much, many, great, abounding in, abundant, enough
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.Contrary to what many believe, The covenant of death (Isaiah 28:18) will be strengthened by the king of babylon, It is a pre-existing treaty w/ many ...Roadmap to Peace > Joel 3:2 ...Parted My Land

Standard English Method A1 B2 C3 until Z26 <> Masoretic & Received Text totals
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Hoshana Rabbah 2009 until Erev Pesach 2011 (http://lionlamb.net) Yeshua ate the Passover Seder with His disciples on This Day

10/9/2009 - 4/17/2011 = 555 days
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555th vs. Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is The Lamb for a burnt offering? 1347 - 2778.
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Shavuot Acts 2:15 , third hour of Day.

10/9/2009 - 6/12/2011 = 611 days
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611th vs. Gen 24:19 And when she had done giving him drink, she said, I will draw water for thy camels also, until they have done drinking 1035 - 3725 .

Hoshana Rabbah 2009 until Yom Kippur 2011

10/9/2009 - 10/9/2011 = 730 days = two years...five years = 110

730th vs. Gen 27:2 And he said, Behold now, I am old, I know not the day of my death 498 -1972.
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Sukkot .

10/09/2009 - 10/14/2011 = 735 days
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735th vs. Gen 27:7 Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat and Bless thee before the LORD before my death. 890 - 1935.
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Hoshana Rabbah 2009 + 1260 = 3/22/2013/ AdarII 16 + 1290 = Elul 29 - Tishri 1 YOM TERUAH 2016
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Hoshana Rabbah 2009 + 1260 + 1290 Dan 12:11 = YOM TERUAH
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YOM TERUAH, the day no man knows the day or hour / Rosh Chodesh .

One thousand two hundred sixty = 365.

Baruch atah YESHUA haMashiyach Melech haOlam, Amayn .
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April 6, 2009

a few lines of Obama speech to the turkish parliament
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The United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security. That is a goal shared by Palestinians, Israelis, and people of goodwill around the world. That is a goal that the parties agreed to in the Road map and at Annapolis. That is a goal that I will actively pursue as President of the United States...... like the United States, you seek a future of opportunity and statehood for the Palestinians.
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Speech in egypt June 4, 2009

and a few from obama's speech at cairo university
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the only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security. .

I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience that the task requires. The obligations that the parties have agreed to under the Road Map are clear. For peace to come, it is time for them — and all of us — to live up to our responsibilities. ....
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The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop....
..... when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed (peace be upon them) joined in prayer.

September 23, 2010 politico
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Obama devotes UN address to Middle East peace
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Obama devoted the bulk of his address to the UN General Assembly Thursday to the Middle East peace process.
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1,060 words out of a 4,090 word speech, to be precise.

" former U.S. Middle East peace negotiator Aaron David Miller said.
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Obama "sees this as his signature issue," Miller added.

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The Roadmap to peace has its origin in the usa 1)camp david 2) oslo 3) Roadmap 4) annapolis to pressure Israel to remove far from their borders 3:6, to the 1948 borders of U.N 181/ with a divided Jerusalem Zechariah 14:2
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1) Camp David /Jimmy Carter brokered the Camp David Accords there in September 1978 to Divide Israel signed in washington d.c. on the 17th
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2) Olso accords, the Accords were subsequently officially signed at a public ceremony in Washington, DC on 13 September 1993, in the presence of PLO chairman Yasser Arafat, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and US President Bill Clinton to Divide Israel
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3) The Road map to peace were first outlined by U.S. President George W. Bush in a speech on June 24, 2002, in which he called for an independent Palestinian state living side by side with Israel in peace
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4) The Annapolis Conference was a Middle East peace conference held on November 27, 2007, at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, United States. The conference marked the first time a two-state solution was articulated as the mutually agreed-upon outline for addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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Who is leading the world to divide Israel ? .

Following the conference in Annapolis they had follow-up meetings in Jerusalem, Israel, george arrived in Israel at noon on Jan 9th, he left the usa on Jan 8th, on Jan 8th an early season tornado landed in Jerusalem Ark. next to Mt Zion Rd. went through town destroying Mt Zions Community church killing one person in Appleton named Billy joe Carter/ president carter's brother was Billy Alton Carter
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following the first meeting bush was scheduled to fly to ramallah to have a meeting with the palatinian authority, But Heavy fog prevented bush's helicopter from making the less than 10-mile flight from Jerusalem, <> On Jan 9th Florida has it worst traffic accident in the states history in fog, seventy cars Video / Seventy cars in george bush's Motercade and 70 cars in florida's worst accident while his brother jeb was governor of the state. > 70 the number of the nations scattered at babel
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Katrina hit the usa at the exact midpoint 7/29/2005 of the gaza withdrawl, a deal brokered by the usa.

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obama was born on 7/04/1961 <> 7/4—Titus destroys the Second Temple in Jerusalem. 9th Av 70 A.D

whirlwind

02-03-2011, 11:58 AM

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02-03-2011, 12:31 PM

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many 383 + for one week 500: and 'in the midst of the week' he shall cause + the sacrifice and the oblation to cease', and 'for the overspreading of abominations' he shall make it desolate', even until the consummation, and that determined' shall be poured upon the desolate. 2582 - 5872

Covenant: B@riyth (ber-eeth’); Noun Feminine, Strong # 1285: covenant, alliance, pledge, treaty, league, constitution, ordinance, agreement

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Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom 83. Let 37 him that hath 37 understanding count 73 the number 73 of the beast, for it is the number 73 of a man, and his number 73 is Six hundred threescore and six.= 1451

The 1451st vs. Genesis 47:30 = 1318

W 23
I 9
S 19
D 4
O 15
M 13 = 83 2+3+9+1+9+4+1+5+1+3 = 38

Hebrew Hokmah = 73 & 37 Tishri one two thousand sixteen = 373

Greek Sophia = 781

Four verses equal 1717 in the scriptures, standard Hebrew method

1) 7373rd vs. 160th vs. 1st Samuel 8:3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment. 987 <> 1717

2) 11878th vs. 683rd vs. 2 Chronicles 32:2 And when Hezekiah saw that sennacherib was come, and that he was purposed to fight against Jerusalem 909 <> 1717

3) 13258th vs. 388th vs. Job 16:19 Also now, behold, my witness is in Heaven, and my Record is on High. 607 <> 1717

4) 14610th vs. 670th vs. Psalms 45:12 And the daughter of tyre shall be there with a gift, even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. 987 <> 1717

1717th vs. 184th vs. Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of egypt, and the frogs came up, and covered the land of egypt. 987 <> 3795

9+8+7 = 24 <> 3+7+9+5 = 24

10/09/2009 +Ninety one weeks 184 Revelation 18:4 O babylon 86 Hidden Manna 87

a little more will be added each day YAH Willing

Baruch haSHEM

144

02-03-2011, 05:44 PM

king of babylon 133 whitehouse 133 roadmap to peace 133 Parted My Land 133 Joel 3:2

george bush 107 1 & 2

barack hussein obama 163 > soetoro 107

One hundred sixty three 261 163 is the first number spelled out that equals 261

the united states of america 261

20601 bohemian grove = 134

O babylon 86_Exact phrase occurs 1x 20191st vs. 1244th vs. Jeremiah 50:24

I Have Laid 71 a snare for thee 206
and 19
thou art also taken 201 ... נלכדת 504 five hundred four 176 O babylon 86
and 19
thou wast not aware 224
thou art found 163 ... נמצאת 581 five hundred eighty one 224
and 19
also caught 107 + because 163
thou hast striven 219
against the LORD 153 = 1472 -5315

In the day 86 This day 86 Tishri twenty one (http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2009&month=10&country=34)224

the nobel peace prize for 224

october ninth two thousand nine = 345

Genesis fourteen - eight 231

345 th vs. Genesis 14:8 And "there went out 174" "the king of sodom 161", and "the king of gomorrah 190", and "the king of admah 122", and "the king of zeboiim 174", and "the king of bela 115", "the same is 99" zoar 60, and "they joined battle 175"with them in 129""the vale of siddim 152. 1665 - 3123

white 65 horse 65 av nine 65

total gematria of president's remarks @ the acceptance of the nobel peace prize = 231662 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-acceptance-nobel-peace-prize)

231662 / 31102 = 7.448459906115362

31102 x 7 = 217714

231662 - 217714 = 13948th vs. Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth 199 set themselves 172, and "the rulers take counsel together 350" "against the LORD 153", and "against HIS Anointed 189", saying > 1176 <> 1972

one hundred eighty nine = 224

1)Your Majesties Your Royal Highnesses , distinguished members 223 of the Norwegian Nobel Committee 290, citizens of America 176, and 'citizens of the world 231 = 1403

october ninth 143 the president 143

Richard Amiel McGough

02-03-2011, 07:40 PM

Hey there 144,

Do you realize that your posts do not make any sense?

You have not written any statements like "Here is my understanding. Let me explain ..."

What is your point? What is your purpose of posting? If you want to express an idea, you must use language that can be understood.

1 Corinthians 14:7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? 8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle? 9 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.

All the best,

Richard

Clifford

02-03-2011, 09:21 PM

This is a fascinating post :clap2: I don't yet understand all of it but some deep truths are being shown. What an undertaking.

A few weeks ago I completed a thread about 2009 being "the beginning of the last days," so your post truly caught my eye.

Thank you and many blessings.

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Hi Whirlwind,

The post by 144 seems like a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me. Your statement that 2009 is "the beginning of the last days" counterdicts what Peter said in Acts 2:14-21

14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: 'Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, THIS is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 '‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]

Did you see that. Peter told those assembled before him what they were witnessing was what had been foretold by the prophet Joel who said in the last days those events they were now seeing would take place. So if the last days were taking place at that time how can you say the last days began in 2009???

Clifford

144

02-03-2011, 10:01 PM

Follow Me 101

MESSIAH YESHUA 153 JESUS YESHUA 153

The Law is a parable 153 Psa 78:1-2

a1 b2 c3 - z26

John 21:10-11Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.
Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an Hundred and Fifty and Three 153 (http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/gr_153.asp) and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken

The Kingdom of GOD 153 The House of Jacob 153 The Land of Goshen 153 Hebrew Aramaic Greek 153 "The Number of GOD" 153 The Children of GOD 153 "The Water of Life" 153 'The Good Ground' 153 "The Paradise of GOD" 153 "The Oracles of GOD" 153 "HE shall send them" 153 "Secret Wisdom" 153 "The Holy Word" 153 "Sealed Treasure" 153 "Rose of Sharon" 153 "The Whirlwind" 153 "Bow and Arrows" 153 "House of Israel" 153 "Water the sheep" 153 "The Revealed SON" 153 "Latter Glory" 153 'Creation Language' 153
'Language of Israel ' 153
Original Language 153 The Last Signs 153 Plain English code 153 Wisdom-Proof 153 The Faith is a Verb 153 A Divine Sequence 153 Elijah Generation 153 God’s Basic Gematria 153 Logos archives 153 Find the Truth 153 Secret Wisdom 153 The Truth Gate 153 God’s Precision 153 Wisdom Archived 153 Encrypted manna 153 Encrypted K.J.V. 153 Signs of Israel 153 Valley of bones 153 Encoded of The Lord 153 A Sealed Puzzle 153 Teaching Mine Elect 153 The Lord’s Earth 153
The Deeper Evidence 153 The Sum Evidence 153
The Sabbath Evidence 153 Restore Sabbath 153 Appointed Sabbath 153 Alpha - Jesus - Omega 153 Alpha - Messiah - Omega 153 His alphabet Door 153 Reveal Holy Bible 153 The Pyramid Inch 153 Numeric Proof 153 Numeric Secret 153 K.J.V. Prophetic 153 Messiah's Word 153 English Words 153 The Messianic Lamb 153 ' I AM ' The Holy place 153 Alphabet Messages 153 Teach this Word 153 The Christians 153 The Planet Earth 153

Richard Amiel McGough

02-03-2011, 10:17 PM

Follow Me 101

MESSIAH YESHUA 153 JESUS YESHUA 153

The Law is a parable 153 Psa 78:1-2

a1 b2 c3 - z26

John 21:10-11Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.
Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great fishes, an Hundred and Fifty and Three 153 (http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/gr_153.asp) and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken

The Kingdom of GOD 153 The House of Jacob 153 The Land of Goshen 153 Hebrew Aramaic Greek 153 "The Number of GOD" 153 The Children of GOD 153 "The Water of Life" 153 “The Good Ground” 153 "The Paradise of GOD" 153 "The Oracles of GOD" 153 "HE shall send them" 153 "Secret Wisdom" 153 "The Holy Word" 153 "Sealed Treasure" 153 "Rose of Sharon" 153 "The Whirlwind" 153 "Bow and Arrows" 153 "House of Israel" 153 "Water the sheep" 153 ]"The Revealed SON" 153[/COLOR] "Latter Glory" 153 “Creation Language” 153
“Language of Israel ” 153
Original Language 153 The Last Signs 153 Plain English code 153 Wisdom-Proof 153 The Faith is a Verb 153 A Divine Sequence 153 Elijah Generation 153 God’s Basic Gematria 153 Logos archives 153 Find the Truth 153 Secret Wisdom 153 The Truth Gate 153 God’s Precision 153 Wisdom Archived 153 Encrypted manna 153 Encrypted K.J.V. 153 Signs of Israel 153 Valley of bones 153 Encoded of The Lord 153 A Sealed Puzzle 153 Teaching Mine Elect 153 The Lord’s Earth 153
The Deeper Evidence 153 The Sum Evidence 153
The Sabbath Evidence 153 Restore Sabbath 153 Appointed Sabbath 153 Alpha - Jesus - Omega 153 Alpha - Messiah - Omega 153 His alphabet Door 153 Reveal Holy Bible 153 The Pyramid Inch 153 Numeric Proof 153 Numeric Secret 153 K.J.V. Prophetic 153 Messiah's Word 153 English Words 153 The Messianic Lamb 153 “ I AM ” The Holy place 153 Alphabet Messages 153 Teach this Word 153 The Christians 153 The Planet Earth 153
Why do you think the "alphabetic messages" teach truth?

Do you believe the numbers prove that Jesus(74) is Lucifer(74)?

Do you believe the numbers prove Muhammad(74) taught the Gospel(74)?

Do you believe the numbers prove that God(26) is a Lie(26)?

And what do you think these identities based on the number 144 "prove"?

Allah is the Lord = 144
In the name of Allah = 144

Anyone playing with words and numbers the way you do could prove anything they want. How then do they prove anything?

All the best,

Richard

144

02-03-2011, 10:51 PM

YHWH (Yod, Hey, Waw, Hey) 10+5+6+5 26 (Hebrew Standard Method)

GOD G 7 O 15 D 4__ 26 (Standard English Method)

YHWH

1+5+6+5 17.

GOD 7+1+5+4 = 17

EL 17

TORAH 62 and 26

Simple 74 English 74 Gematria 74 Hundred 74 To Fill 74 Greater 74 Fruit 74
JESUS 74 MESSIAH 74 / GOD SON 74 GOSPEL 74 / CROSS 74 THE KEY 74 / Parables 74 Lag BaOmer 74 THE KING 74

Mark four eight = 152

Thirty = 100 <> Hundred = 74

Sixty = 97 <> Ninety seven = 152

100 Hundred = 74 <> Seventy four = 170

Mark 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some Thirty 100, and some Sixty 97, and some an Hundred 74

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Hebrew-English Languages 222

Shalt thou trust 222 Letters as numerals 222 Alphanumeric system 222 The Great Triple Two 222 Simple English gematria 222 Knowledge shall increase 222 The Parable of the sower 222 The secret of the alphabet 222 A thousand years as a day 222 six thousand years 222 It is hidden in the alphabet 222
Vengeance for His Temple 222 The great men of the earth 222 The end from the beginning 222 Isaiah forty-six ten 222

Daniel 2:22 HE revealeth the deep and secret things, HE knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him

In the KJV, the English word "Wisdom" occurs in 222 verses (http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=WISDOM&t=KJV)

'Survivor' 144 'Forty four' 144 'Sons of light' 144 'Wise apostle' 144 'Secret songs' 144 'Secret jewels' 144 'Perfect pearls' 144 'Body of Christ' 144 "His Strange Act" 144 'Sanctify a fast' 144 'Yom Kippur' 144 'Eternal people' 144 'Secret parables' 144 'The day of battle 144 "Shall be in rest" 144 'Come out of her' 144 "Day of Trouble" 144 'The GOD of Zion' 144 'Wedding garment' 144 'LORD ALMIGHTY' 144 'The GOD Of Israel' 144 'The chosen of GOD' 144 'The dead in Messiah' 144

'I AM GOD ALMIGHTY' 144

Richard Amiel McGough

02-03-2011, 11:13 PM

Simple 74 English 74 Gematria 74 Hundred 74 To Fill 74 Greater 74 Fruit 74
JESUS 74 MESSIAH 74 / GOD SON 74 GOSPEL 74 / CROSS 74 THE KEY 74 / Parables 74 Lag BaOmer 74 THE KING 74

Mark four eight = 152

Thirty = 100 <> Hundred = 74

Sixty = 97 <> Ninety seven = 152

100 Hundred = 74 <> Seventy four = 170

Mark 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some Thirty 100, and some Sixty 97, and some an Hundred 74

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Hebrew-English Languages 222

Shalt thou trust 222 Letters as numerals 222 Alphanumeric system 222 The Great Triple Two 222 Simple English gematria 222 Knowledge shall increase 222 The Parable of the sower 222 The secret of the alphabet 222 A thousand years as a day 222 six thousand years 222 It is hidden in the alphabet 222
Vengeance for His Temple 222 The great men of the earth 222 The end from the beginning 222 Isaiah forty-six ten 222

Daniel 2:22 HE revealeth the deep and secret things, HE knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him

In the KJV, the English word "Wisdom" occurs in 222 verses (http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=WISDOM&t=KJV)
I don't understand why you keep posting more numbers without addressing the real issue. You have not explained why the numbers you list are supposed to prove anything. The numerical value of the vast majority of English words (83%) fall between 50 and 150. That means that most words are all crammed into a very narrow range of 100 numbers. This means that you will find many meaningless coincidences like Jesus = 74 and Lucifer = 74. Is there any reason to think these coincidences mean anything? The answer is obviously "no." There are many more random and MEANINGLESS "connections" than meaningful. I've explained this in great detail in another thread (http://biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=686) devoted to English Gematria:

The problem with English Gematria calculated from the place values is based on the fact that 83% of all the words are compressed into a numerical range between 50 and 150. I analyzed a dictionary with about 79,000 words, and found that about 66,000 of them had a value between 50 and 150. Here is a graph that shows the distribution:

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/EnglishGemGraph.gif

This means that all the information stored in the pattern of the letters is lost. Any structure that could have been there has been compressed to such an extent that all distinctions are lost and we have nothing but a meaningless smooshed mess o' porridge.

Note in particular that most of the numbers ccc used in his post - 73, 74, and 88 - are found near the peak of the distribution where there were over 700 choices to choose from. And that's not counting the foreign transliterated words like Y'shua (note that he could have chosen Yeshua if that had fit the pattern he was looking for).

Now don't mistake what I am trying to demonstrate here. Lists of words can be useful if the reality of divine design based on gematria has already been proven by other means. But such lists, especially when based on ordinal systems which have an extremely high compression ratio, lose too much information to be useful by themselves.

Richard

And in that thread I provided a list of a few of the words that have the value 74, with a few of the more "contradictory" words highlighted red:

abandoner
ablation
abnegates
abominable
accesses
according
accursed
acquire
additive
adequate
adverbial
adverse
advocacy
aerobatic
agedness
agency's
aggrieve
agonised
aileron
ailment
airily
airpark
aliment
alkalised
allergen
alleys
alley's
alloyed
alludes
amalgamate
anagrams
anagram's
anaphora
anecdotic
angular
antedated
antennae
anyone
appealer
aptly
archival
areaway
arietta
arrearage
artefact
ascendible
assayed
atomy
atones
attained
attendee
audibly
audient
audits
aurora
auspice
avoidance
avoider
avowal
awakens
backfires
bagpiper
balderdash
balkanise
ballerina
balmily
baloney
barkers
bathtub
beauty
bedspread
beefsteak
beetling
beginner
belongs
belying
benighted
benzoic
between
biannual
biconcave
billabong
bitchier
bitter
blanketed
blither
blouse
boatels
bollix
bombards
bombers
bottle
braggart
braining
breasted
breathable
brigands
brigand's
brocket
brouhaha
bruise
brutal
buckshee
bumbles
bumboat
burdock
buries
burns
burro
bushes
busier
busload
campanile
camphor
canners
canner's
canopy
cantles
capstan
caressed
cartload
carving
cashbook
cationic
catnaps
causey
causing
cellarer
censor
chanson
chapeaus
chapleted
chapping
chariot
chests
chiliasm
chilling
chloride
chordate
chuffing
clammier
clarify
clinician
clocking
cloddish
clogging
cloning
clonks
closet
clouds
clumber
clumped
cockamamie
cocktail
coequal
coercing
collages
collier
colloq
colure
conceding
concur
condoned
confider
connect
cooking
copepod
cordite
couches
coups
coveted
cowbird
cowherb
cratered
craving
crested
cringer
crones
crooned
cross
crumble
cubicles
cubist
cuddling
curbing
cygnet
dandruff
dashers
datelined
dawdling
dazzle
deadlocks
debaters
decametre
deepest
defecating
deflects
delighted
demarcated
demerit
demises
denudate
descry
detailer
devalued
diagnose
dialogue
diatomic
diction
dietician
diffused
dignify
dingdong
discharge
ditching
diverged
dollop
domiciled
donkey
donut
doodles
dragoon
drastic
dressed
drills
drown
drumhead
duckbill
ductile
dully
dunlin
dutiable
eatery
ectype
edentate
eerily
efflux
egrets
eidolon
eighty
elaterid
element
elevated
embroil
enchanted
enduing
energy
engirdle
engulfed
enkindle
enrapt
enteric
enticer
entrap
envies
erratic
error
escaping
ethereal
etudes
evanesce
exclude
exhales
exiles
expiable
eyeful
fabricant
facture
falconer
families
fastened
fawning
feaster
featherbed
feculence
feeblest
fetter
fictive
fieldpiece
fiendish
fifties
figment
figural
filefish
finished
fishier
fitful
flagpole
flamers
flanking
flapper
flasket
flaunt
fleshes
flirted
flopped
florin
flout
focalised
focally
foliages
follicle
fondant
fondler
fonts
font's
foreboded
foreign
forgave
frangible
freeboard
frogman
fruit
frump
fuller
fusible
gadroon
gaillardia
gawkier
gelidly
geminate
giblets
ginning
girdles
glaciers
glacier's
gliders
gloats
globule
glycol
godson
goitre
goodies
goodie's
gorilla
gospel
gouges
grainy
gramps
granite
grapier
gratis
greases
greater
greets
grimacer
gripes
groans
guacharo
guarder
gubbins
gunmen
gurgled
habitual
hairdos
hairpiece
halftime
haricot
harlot
hastate
haulier
haunch's
hawser
headlight
hearers
heavens
heaven's
hernias
hernia's
heroine
hexagon
hiccough
highboy
hightail
hippy
hoarier
holiday
homicidal
hooky
hoopoe
horns
hosier
hundred
hurrah
hutchie
hyaline
idealess
idyllic
illicit
immerged
impearl
impels
impish
implacable
implode
increase
indecent
indicant
infuse
ingest
ingrate
inhaling
inhumed
initial
insole
invades
inveigh
jailers
jangling
jerking
jewels
jilter
jolly
jotted
jury
katydid
kidnaps
killing
kindles
kingbird
kneecaps
labelling
labialised
lacewing
lamellar
lamented
landmark
langlauf
largish
lasers
laser's
latching
latticed
laxly
legalised
legally
lenses
leonine
lesion
lessen
letup
liaises
lichenin
likely
lingered
linkman
linnet
liplike
loaders
loaves
locater
looms
lounge
loveable
lymph
macaroni
machinate
mainly
makings
manacling
mandarin
manifold
mannered
marital
martial
masking
mastiff
maudlin
measles
megacycle
meiotic
melanoma
melody
menorah
merino
merited
messiah
minion
misname
monoacid
moorage
moping
motile
moulded
moves
mower
muddier
mutable
mutt
neonate
nicknamed
nifty
ninebark
nooks
nook's
noseband
nuclear
nugget
nuts
nut's
obedient
objects
object's
obviate
occult
officiate
oldwife
oleander
operable
operas
opera's
opium
optima
ordeals
ordnance
organs
organ's
oriole
oxeye
pairing
palates
palate's
pallor
pappy
parables
parcels
parent
parts
payload
peavey
peering
pellicle
pemmican
pendant
penny
perches
perfecta
pergola
pesos
phasing
photo
pianos
piano's
picnicked
pigfish
pigtail
pinches
pinnacle
pinto
pitiable
piton
pitted
pixy
placards
placard's
platy
playable
pledging
plodder
plunk
podgier
point
pokier
polkas
polka's
pollen
polls
pommel
poses
posse
pounce
preacher
prickle
prize
proud
prune
pucker
puffy
pupil
quakes
quanta
quota
raiders
rainier
ranching
ranking
rapper
rattan
readily
rearms
rededicate
reducer
reeves
refuse
relent
reloads
remediable
renewed
rennin
repeated
resole
retailed
retold
retraced
rickrack
risible
rivet
rollback
ropy
rout
rubies
ruler
rundle
sabotaged
saddlebags
sailor
salamis
salmon
salvable
sarcasm
sarong
saucing
savages
scalper
scanner
scribbled
scriber
scrubbed
scrum
scuffs
searchable
seaway
selfdom
semblance
settee
severe
shaggier
shaping
shaves
shines
shingle
shinleaf
shirt
shoal's
shoals
shorn
showed
sidling
signet
silos
simple
sizable
skater
skidpan
skimmed
skips
skulk
sky's
slackened
sledding
sliding
slinked
sloth
snail's
snails
snatched
sneeze
softie
soils
song's
songs
spangle
sparked
speedy
spent
sprat
spume
spur
squeak
stabbing
stackable
stayed
steady
steeped
stoked
strake
strap
streak
stuck
stun
subbing
suite
surged
swarm
swatch
syndic
takers
talking
tangelo
tangier
tarot
tartan
tearing
telly
tempt
tenant
terraced
theism
thicker
thinned
thrash
threw
throbbed
tiddly
toper
tots
toucan
tour
tramcar
trap's
traps
trauma
trawl
trekked
trepan
trifled
trochee
troika
trope
tucks
turbid
unafraid
unbelief
unchecked
uncle's
unclear
uncles
uncoil
unfix
unpick
unpin
upkeep
upside
uptake
usual
vagary
vaguer
validate
varies
vassal
videos
vixen
waddling
waggish
waggles
wandered
warier
warms
washer
weapon
weaver
weekday
weepy
weirdo
weirs
welding
welkin
whaling
widens
widow
wiener
wildcard
wiling
winkle
wires
wiser
wombat
yields
zanies

So do you really believe that these numbers and words prove that Jesus(74) is an abominable(74) accursed(74) wombat(74)? If not, why not? Is there any logic to your posts or not?

I know I've used a little sarcasm(74) but it seemed appropriate to expose your error(74). I'm sure you do not want to believe balderdash(74)! I'm sure you don't want to let the donkey(74) doodles(74) turn you into a weirdo(74). Just trying to help! :winking0071:

So please explain how you deal with these facts. Why do you believe that the numbers prove anything? Why do you not understand that your numbers and words are just coincidences?

All the best,

Richard

144

02-03-2011, 11:53 PM

144

02-04-2011, 09:44 AM

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week : and 'in the midst of the week' he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease', and 'for the overspreading of abominations' he shall make it desolate', even until the consummation, and that determined' shall be poured upon the desolate. 2582 - 5872

Covenant: B@riyth (ber-eeth’); Noun Feminine, Strong # 1285: covenant, alliance, pledge, treaty, league, constitution, ordinance, agreement

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"Jews around the world observed the holiday of Sukkot's Hoshana Rabbah on Friday, 10/09/2009. (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-339998?ref=feeds%252Flatest)

Hoshana Rabbah
The day is known as the day of the final sealing of judgment for the coming year" Seven circuits are made in the celebration
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The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html) , Awarded On Friday, 10/09/2009 Barack H. Obama
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Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold 'a white horse' and 'he that sat on him had' 'a bow and a crown 134' was given unto him 200' and 'he went forth 142' conquering and to conquer 270. = 1225 - 10395
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Crown: Stephanos 1) Noun, Strong # 4735 <> ...1 ) the wreath or garland which was given as a PRIZE to victors in public games.
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Daniel 9:27 And he shall Confirm the Covenant with Many for one week:
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Strong's Concordance = 207 a1 b2 c3 - z26
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Confirm: Gabar (gaw-bar’); Verb, Strong # 1396: to prevail, have strength, strengthen, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
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Covenant: B@riyth (ber-eeth’); Noun Feminine, Strong # 1285: covenant, alliance, pledge, treaty, league, constitution, ordinance, agreement
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Many: Rab (rab); Adjective, Strong # 7227: much, many, great, abounding in, abundant, enough
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.Contrary to what many believe, The covenant of death (Isaiah 28:18) will be strengthened by the king of babylon, It is a pre-existing treaty w/ many ...Roadmap to Peace > Joel 3:2 ...Parted My Land

Standard English Method A1 B2 C3 until Z26 <> Masoretic & Received Text totals
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Hoshana Rabbah 2009 until Erev Pesach 2011 (http://lionlamb.net) Yeshua ate the Passover Seder with His disciples on This Day

10/9/2009 - 4/17/2011 = 555 days
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555th vs. Gen 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is The Lamb for a burnt offering? 1347 - 2778.
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Shavuot Acts 2:15 , third hour of Day.

10/9/2009 - 6/12/2011 = 611 days
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611th vs. Gen 24:19 And when she had done giving him drink, she said, I will draw water for thy camels also, until they have done drinking 1035 - 3725 .

Hoshana Rabbah 2009 until Yom Kippur 2011

10/9/2009 - 10/9/2011 = 730 days = two years...five years = 110

730th vs. Gen 27:2 And he said, Behold now, I am old, I know not the day of my death 498 -1972.
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Sukkot .

10/09/2009 - 10/14/2011 = 735 days
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735th vs. Gen 27:7 Bring me venison, and make me savoury meat, that I may eat and Bless thee before the LORD before my death. 890 - 1935.
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Hoshana Rabbah 2009 + 1260 = 3/22/2013/ AdarII 16 + 1290 = Elul 29 - Tishri 1 YOM TERUAH 2016
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Hoshana Rabbah 2009 + 1260 + 1290 Dan 12:11 = YOM TERUAH
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YOM TERUAH, the day no man knows the day or hour / Rosh Chodesh .

One thousand two hundred sixty = 365.

Baruch atah YESHUA haMashiyach Melech haOlam, Amayn .
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April 6, 2009

a few lines of Obama speech to the turkish parliament
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The United States strongly supports the goal of two states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace and security. That is a goal shared by Palestinians, Israelis, and people of goodwill around the world. That is a goal that the parties agreed to in the Road map and at Annapolis. That is a goal that I will actively pursue as President of the United States...... like the United States, you seek a future of opportunity and statehood for the Palestinians.
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Speech in egypt June 4, 2009

and a few from obama's speech at cairo university
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the only resolution is for the aspirations of both sides to be met through two states, where Israelis and Palestinians each live in peace and security. .

I intend to personally pursue this outcome with all the patience that the task requires. The obligations that the parties have agreed to under the Road Map are clear. For peace to come, it is time for them — and all of us — to live up to our responsibilities. ....
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The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop....
..... when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed (peace be upon them) joined in prayer.

September 23, 2010 politico
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Obama devotes UN address to Middle East peace
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Obama devoted the bulk of his address to the UN General Assembly Thursday to the Middle East peace process.
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1,060 words out of a 4,090 word speech, to be precise.

" former U.S. Middle East peace negotiator Aaron David Miller said.
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Obama "sees this as his signature issue," Miller added.

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The Roadmap to peace has its origin in the usa 1)camp david 2) oslo 3) Roadmap 4) annapolis to pressure Israel to remove far from their borders 3:6, to the 1948 borders of U.N 181/ with a divided Jerusalem Zechariah 14:2
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1) Camp David /Jimmy Carter brokered the Camp David Accords there in September 1978 to Divide Israel signed in washington d.c. on the 17th
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2) Olso accords, the Accords were subsequently officially signed at a public ceremony in Washington, DC on 13 September 1993, in the presence of PLO chairman Yasser Arafat, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and US President Bill Clinton to Divide Israel
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3) The Road map to peace were first outlined by U.S. President George W. Bush in a speech on June 24, 2002, in which he called for an independent Palestinian state living side by side with Israel in peace
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4) The Annapolis Conference was a Middle East peace conference held on November 27, 2007, at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, United States. The conference marked the first time a two-state solution was articulated as the mutually agreed-upon outline for addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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Who is leading the world to divide Israel ? .

Following the conference in Annapolis they had follow-up meetings in Jerusalem, Israel, george arrived in Israel at noon on Jan 9th, he left the usa on Jan 8th, on Jan 8th an early season tornado landed in Jerusalem Ark. next to Mt Zion Rd. went through town destroying Mt Zions Community church killing one person in Appleton named Billy joe Carter/ president carter's brother was Billy Alton Carter
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following the first meeting bush was scheduled to fly to ramallah to have a meeting with the palatinian authority, But Heavy fog prevented bush's helicopter from making the less than 10-mile flight from Jerusalem, <> On Jan 9th Florida has it worst traffic accident in the states history in fog, seventy cars Video / Seventy cars in george bush's Motercade and 70 cars in florida's worst accident while his brother jeb was governor of the state. > 70 the number of the nations scattered at babel
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Katrina hit the usa at the exact midpoint 7/29/2005 of the gaza withdrawl, a deal brokered by the usa.

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obama was born on 7/04/1961 <> 7/4—Titus destroys the Second Temple in Jerusalem. 9th Av 70 A.D

whirlwind

02-04-2011, 09:50 AM

Hi Whirlwind,

The post by 144 seems like a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me. Your statement that 2009 is "the beginning of the last days" counterdicts what Peter said in Acts 2:14-21

14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: 'Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, THIS is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 '‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
20 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
21 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved.’[c]

Did you see that. Peter told those assembled before him what they were witnessing was what had been foretold by the prophet Joel who said in the last days those events they were now seeing would take place. So if the last days were taking place at that time how can you say the last days began in 2009???

Clifford

What does "last" mean to you? :) The last days were not millennia ago.

What they witnessed on Pentecost day was foretold to happen and we know it will again happen as prophesied for it is slated for...the last days. In other words, the event Peter spoke of was a type for what will again happen.

2009 saw the ending of 3,500 years since the 1491 BC Exodus (some place it at 1493) I don't know which is correct but as 2009 seemed to be a marker for many things I see it as the date.

The last days, I believe, began on 9/28/09...Feast of Trumpets. He tells us that we shall have "seventy weeks" to accomplish certain goals. Did that time begin at the Feast of Trumpets?

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whirlwind

02-04-2011, 10:01 AM

144

02-04-2011, 12:12 PM

The great fish being pulled in, the 153. The number of God, the children of God.

The whirlwind, The pyramid inch, the 153 great fish, deeper evidence, secret wisdom, Israel, etc....so many of these I have discussed this week!

Dear #144....(those are my numbers too...I see them all the time)...

I'm not at all certain what you are teaching but I know something of importance is there. I know nothing of gematria but many of the dates you are listing were given to me too. Time is short.

Many blessings....Whirlwind

Shalom

time is short, and you are real close on your timeline, but YOM TERUAH , the Feast of Trumpets was on Tishri 1, as always, the first day of seventh month, the start the fall feasts, ending the yearly cycle on the seventh day of The Feast of Booths/ Sukkot's Hoshana Rabbah > the new Cycle starts on the Eighth day Simchat Torah.

In 2009 Yom Teruah / the Feast of Trumpets was on 9/19/2009 (http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2009&month=9&country=34)

The last days, I believe, began on 9/28/09...Feast of Trumpets. He tells us that we shall have "seventy weeks" to accomplish certain goals. Did that time begin at the Feast of Trumpets?

He is speaking to His People in many different ways, His Watchman are awakening, giving Him no rest day or night and not remaining silent, Until He makes Jerusalem a praise in all the earth.

Thank Yeshua

my view of prophecy is Hebraic Historic and i have learned so much by this Torah Teacher, (http://www.waytozion.org/video/eddie/eddie.htm) that has really opened up the Scriptures to understand the last days

a good teacher will be able to teach the bible as one book, comparing spiritual things with spiritual, scripture with scripture until maturity, when you no longer needing milk....having a solid foundation, then everything else will fall into place

His People perish for lack of Knowledge

This Knowledge

Psalms 119:142

blessings Whirlwind and to all the House of Jacob Luke 1:33

whirlwind

02-04-2011, 12:33 PM

Shalom

time is short, and you are real close on your timeline, but YOM TERUAH , the Feast of Trumpets was on Tishri 1, as always, the first day of seventh month, the start the fall feasts, ending the yearly cycle on the seventh day of The Feast of Booths/ Sukkot's Hoshana Rabbah > the new Cycle starts on the Eighth day Simchat Torah.

In 2009 Yom Teruah / the Feast of Trumpets was on 9/19/2009 (http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2009&month=9&country=34)

He is speaking to His People in many different ways, His Watchman are awakening, giving Him no rest day or night and not remaining silent, Until He makes Jerusalem a praise in all the earth.

Thank Yeshua

my view of prophecy is Hebraic Historic and i have learned so much by this Torah Teacher, (http://www.waytozion.org/video/eddie/eddie.htm) that has really opened up the Scriptures to understand the last days

a good teacher will be able to teach the bible as one book, comparing spiritual things with spiritual, scripture with scripture until maturity, when you no longer needing milk....having a solid foundation, then everything else will fall into place

His People perish for lack of Knowledge

This Knowledge

Psalms 119:142

blessings Whirlwind and to all the House of Jacob Luke 1:33

Yes, He is calling His chosen....by name, literally by name.

Thank you for the correction on the date. May I ask, as I may also be wrong on the following...what is the corresponding date of this Hebrew time in 2011? It is, I believe, a vital marker.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

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144

02-04-2011, 02:12 PM

Yes, He is calling His chosen....by name, literally by name.

Thank you for the correction on the date. May I ask, as I may also be wrong on the following...what is the corresponding date of this Hebrew time in 2011? It is, I believe, a vital marker.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

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i am quite familiar with that date and the one promoting its significance prophetically, there is Not going to be a Rapture until the end of the last week...the week is comprised of 1260 days and 1290 days/ Just short of seven years, unless those days are shortened.

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
Dan 9:27 Matt 24:15 Mark 13:14

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent

Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months

Ezekiel 20:33 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a Mighty Hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:

34
And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.

35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD.

37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against Me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I Am the LORD.

Hosea 2:14 Therefore, behold, I will allure her, and bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfortably unto her.

15 And I will give her her vineyards from thence, and the valley of Achor[trouble] for a door of hope: and she shall sing there, as in the days of her youth, and as in the day when she came up out of the land of egypt.

Blessed is He, who comes in the name of YAHUWAH, the Good Shepherd who gathers the outcast of Yisra'EL

Isaiah 4:2 In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:

For a detailed timeline chart, that alligns in many different markers, that the seventh day of Sukkot/ Hoshana Rabbah 2009 was the start of the seventieth week DanielsTimeline.com (http://www.danielstimeline.com/studies.htm)

Come quickly Adonai YESHUA

144

02-05-2011, 06:27 PM

Shalom everybody

Watchman of Zion (http://www.watchmanofzion.com/)

You may view the 5 minute update this week via audio:

1) Listen to the audio (http://www.hebroots.org/yeshiva/5_Min_Feb_5_2011.mp3)

In this week’s 5 minute update, we focused on several things:

1) The current status of the Israel / PLO peace process and the situation with Egypt

2) World Food prices at historic highs

Consider also the following verses as you listen to this weeks update

Isaiah Chapter 19

1 The burden of egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into egypt: and the idols of egypt shall be moved at His presence, and the heart of egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

2 And I will set the egyptians against the egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.
Matt 24:7 Mark 13:8 Luke 21:10

4 And the egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.

Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

The following symmetry and connections of these four verses in the Hebrew and English are amazing, here again for your contemplation, in case you missed it on the first page.

Standard English Gematria Calculator (http://rantworld.blogs.com/arcanadei/2007/02/gematria_calcul.html)

English Total <> Masoretic Total

Four verses equal 1717 in the scriptures, standard Hebrew method (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?SearchBy_Gematria=1717)

1) 7373rd vs. 160th vs. 1st Samuel 8:3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment. 987 <> 1717

2) 11878th vs. 683rd vs. 2 Chronicles 32:2 And when Hezekiah saw that sennacherib was come, and that he was purposed to fight against Jerusalem 909 <> 1717

3) 13258th vs. 388th vs. Job 16:19 Also now, behold, my witness is in Heaven, and my Record is on High. 607 <> 1717

4) 14610th vs. 670th vs. Psalms 45:12 And the daughter of tyre shall be there with a gift, even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. 987 <> 1717

1717th vs. 184th vs. Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of egypt, and the frogs came up, and covered the land of egypt. 987 <> 3795

9+8+7 = 24 <> 3+7+9+5 = 24

10/09/2009 +Ninety one weeks 184 Revelation 18:4 O babylon 86 Hidden Manna 87

144

02-05-2011, 11:26 PM

Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Jeremiah 51:45 "My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD."

The command to leave babylon will come in one year and then in another.

Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the Rumour that shall be heard in the land; a Rumour shall both come one year, and after that in another year shall come a Rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler. 1943 - 5723

Rumour: shemuw`ah, Noun, Strong # 8052 1) Report, News, rumour / pass part of Shema: 1) To hear, listen to, obey

The End of the age is when all this will come about and is clearly defined as such in Jeremiah 50 and 51

50:4 and 20 in those days and at that time Joel 3:2 when Judah has returned to Jerusalem.

51:2 day of trouble <=> Jacob's trouble Jeremiah 30:7.

51:33 time of harvest <=> the harvest is the end of the world Matthew 13:39

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Seven times in Jeremiah 50 and 51, HIS people are commanded to flee, escape, run for their lives from THE LAND of this Hindermost nation 50:12 , Hindermost = last in place or time

Jeremiah 50 and 51 x7

Jeremiah 50:8: "Remove out of the midst of babylon, and go forth out of the Land of the chaldeans, and be as the he goats before the flocks."

chaldean: Kasidy, noun, Strong # 3778 3) those persons considered the wisest in the land (by extension) Dan 2:2 (http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B27C002.htm)

[ Land of the experts, pundits, lobbyist, liars]

50:16: "Cut off the sower from babylon , and him that handleth the sickle in the Time of Harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land."

50:28: "The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of His Temple."

50:45: "Therefore hear ye the counsel of the LORD, that He hath taken against babylon; and His purposes, that He hath purposed against the Land of the chaldeans: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely He shall make their habitation desolate with them."

51:6: "Flee out of the midst of babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is The Time of the LORD's vengeance; He will render unto her a recompense." Rev 18:4

51:9: "We would have healed babylon , but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies." Revelation 18:5

51:45: "My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD."

Revelation 18:4 (1x )

51:50: "Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the LORD afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind."

Isaiah 13 and 49 (x2)

Isaiah 13:1 burden against Babylon...... 14 "And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land."

Isaiah 49: 20 Go ye forth of babylon, flee ye from the chaldeans, with a voice of singing declare ye, tell this, utter it even to the end of the earth; say ye, The LORD hath redeemed His servant Jacob.

10 Ten Times, Leave the Hindermost nation who's land is Modern day babylon (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap11.htm)

In all these verses the inhabitants of this Hindermost Nation are fleeing escaping the Land of babylon that YHWH calls the daughter of the chaldeans Isaiah 48, the land of astrologers and mediums, the daughter of babylon/ confusion Jeremiah 50:42, 51:33

It is very clear, to be a survivor, leaving the Land of this Hindermost Nation is commanded / Jeremiah 50:12 during the Day of YHWH

Isaiah 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the Report

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jer 50:4 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.

Tomorrow, YAH willing, i will post another Amazing Wonder in Gematria that points to 10/09/2009 & Revelation 18:4

144

02-06-2011, 02:26 AM

Search the National Security Archive Website (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/search.html)

Find EXACT phrase: July 8,
Found 29 documents, showing 1 - 10.
[1-10] [11-20] [21-29]

Thy Kingdom 126
Thy Redeemer 126
A Fire in Zion 126
Hear My Speech 126

The Atomic Bomb (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/index.htm) 126
Tinian Island (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/little-boy-1.jpg) 126

Hiroshima (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/hiroshima-1.jpg)-Nagasaki (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/nagasaki-1a.jpg) = 163 - barack hussein obama 163

one hundred sixty three 261

the united states of america 261 Citizens of america 176

7/06/1945 - 10/09/2009 = 23,440 days

7/09/1945 - 10/09/2009 = 23,437 days

23,440th vs. 295th vs. Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for My Name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 790 - 8635

23,437 days 292nd vs. Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 1357 - 8617

"Little Boy" 120 (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/little-boy-model.jpg) o babylon 86

Rev 18:7 "I Sit a Queen" (http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B66C018.htm) 120

The Truth 120
King Yeshua 120
The Merciful 120
Rosh Hashanah 120
The Face of a Lion 120

The sixth day 143

Into the gates 143

Jacob’s trouble 143

the president 143

Justice delayed 143

I come quickly 143

Ninety one weeks 184 = 7/8/2011

23,440th vs. 295th vs. Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for My Name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 790 - 8635

7/06/1945 - 10/09/2009 = 23,440 days + 637 days = 24077

24077th vs. 932nd vs. Mat 26:22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto Him, LORD, is it I?. 870 - 8377

23,437 days 292nd vs. Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 1357 - 8617

7/09/1945 - 10/09/2009 = 23,437 days + 637 days = 24074

24074th vs. 929th vs. Mat 26:19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover. 719 - 6877

144

02-06-2011, 04:27 AM

Nolan Ryan's seven no hitters

The 3 reference points for each verse are days until 10/9/2009, days until 7/ 8/ 2011
and the attendance as recorded In the Baseball Almanac for each of the seven no hitters...the days until and the attendance <> 7 no hitters 21 verses.

a) days until 10/9/2009 Obama given nobel prize Rev 6:2
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b) days until 7/8/2011
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c) Attendance

1-7 Totals

1a) 13296th vs. 426th vs. Job 18:19 = 842 - 1254
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1b) 13933rd vs. 1063rd vs. Job 42:10 = 1084 - 3984

1c) At = 12205th vs. 188th vs. Ezra 8:3 = 1155 - 3143

2a) 13235th vs. 365th vs. Job 15:31 = 784 - 2774
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2b) 13872nd vs. 1002nd vs. Job 40:7 = 699 - 1155

2c) At = 41411-31102 = 10309th vs. 56th vs. 1 Ch 2:2 = 342 - 1452
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3a)12795th vs. 432nd vs. Est 6:1 = 1180 - 3760

3b) 13432nd vs. 562nd vs. Job 23:12 = 1143 - 2855

3c) At = 10872nd vs. 619th vs. 1 Ch 17:8 = 1520 - 4940

4a) 12549th vs. 252nd vs. Neh 9:37 = 1957 - 5645
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4b) 13186th vs. 316th vs. Job 14:4 = 453 - 864

4c) At 18492nd vs. 837th vs. Is 42:11= 1727 - 3873
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5a) 10240th vs. 706th vs. 2 Ki 25:17 = 2497 - 9558
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5b) 10877th vs. 624th vs. 1Ch 17:13 = 1140 - 2830

5c) At 32115-31102 = 1013th vs. Ge 35:1 = 1494 - 3886

6a) 7060th vs. 550th vs. Jdg 20:5 = 1427 - 4073
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6b) 7697th vs. 484th vs. 1Sa 18:20 = 702 - 2939

6c) At 33436 – 31102 = 2334th vs. 801st vs. Ex 28:40 = 1332 - 5528
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7a) 6736th vs. 226th vs. Jdg. 8:16 = 1075 - 4040

7b) 7373rd vs. 160th vs. 1st Sa 8:3 = 987 - 1717

7c) At 33439-31102= 2337th vs. 804th vs. Ex 28:43 = 2532 - 5136

whirlwind

02-06-2011, 08:43 AM

Hiroshima (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/hiroshima-1.jpg)-Nagasaki (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/nagasaki-1a.jpg) = 163 - barack hussein obama 163

one hundred sixty three 261

Sundown, April 8, 2009 Passover, we were given a "sign in the sun," with the Jewish...Blessing The Sun. That feast date I believe ended the 70 years of desolations, ended the 40 years of probation and ended the 3 1/2 Lord's days (3,500 years) from the beginning of the Exodus.

The next feast day....Sundown, September 18, 2009 was the beginning of The Feast of Trumpets, Rosh Hashanah.

There were 163 days between the two feast days.

What do the number of those days signify? I don't know, perhaps nothing and then.....

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Richard Amiel McGough

02-06-2011, 05:33 PM

144

02-06-2011, 05:55 PM

Sixty four weeks 220

one year two2 months twenty20 two2 days = 444

10/09/2009 until 12-31-2010 = 448 days

12/31/2010 tornado kills 3 in Arkansas (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110101/ap_on_re_us/us_tornadoes)
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In Arkansas, Gerald Wilson, 88, and his wife, Mamie, 78, died in their home and Dick Murray, 78, died after being caught by the storm while milking cows, Washington County Sheriff Tim Helder said

448th vs. Gen 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 787 -2339

gerald wilson,139 age 88 mamie wilson,133 age 78 dick murray,123 age 78
washington county sheriff tim helder,393

448/2 - 224

Tevet twenty four = 239 The tenth month of the biblical year on the Hebrew calendar. {12/31/2010 = Tevet 24}

The Annapolis Conference was a Middle East peace conference held on November 27, 2007, at the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, United States. The conference marked the first time a two-state solution was articulated as the mutually agreed-upon outline for addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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Following the conference in Annapolis there were follow-up meetings in Jerusalem, Israel (http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=bf9dcc45-4fc1-498d-9cab-17759d4edc41&k=74396), george arrived in Israel at noon on Jan 9th 2008 (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-15081999.html), he left the usa for Israel on Jan 8th, on Jan 8th an early season tornado landed in Jerusalem Ark (http://www.couriernews.com/archivedstory.php?ID=17302). just off Mt Zion Rd. went through the town destroying Mt Zions Community church (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/blogs/20080120112744.jpg)killing one person in Appleton named Billy joe Carter/ president carter's brother / Billy Alton Carter
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following the first meeting bush was scheduled to fly to ramallah to have a meeting with the palestinian authority, But Heavy fog prevented bush's helicopter from making the less than 10-mile flight from Jerusalem, (http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2008/01/10/4376189-snags-bedevil-bushs-mideast-plans) <> On Jan 9th Florida has it worst traffic accident in the states history in fog, seventy cars Video (http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/four-dead-in-70-car-florida-pileup/6gch7qm?fg=rss&from=34)/ Seventy cars in george bush's Motercade and 70 cars in florida's worst accident while his brother jeb was governor of the state. > 70 the number of the nations scattered at babel (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/2539)

Lam 2:18 Their heart cried unto the Lord, O wall of the daughter of Zion, let tears run down like a river day and night: give thyself no rest; let not the Apple of Thine Eye cease.

Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of babylon.

Zec 2:8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath He sent Me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the Apple of His Eye

Richard Amiel McGough

02-06-2011, 06:00 PM

144

02-06-2011, 10:00 PM

Hebraic Heritage Newsletter/ shortened with some additional wording

The Duty of a Watchman

The God of Israel (YHVH) has set watchmen on the walls of Jerusalem for Zion's sake (Is 62:1, 6). The watchmen will cry, 'Let Us Go Up To Zion' (Jer 31:6).

The Hebrew word for 'watchman' is NATZAR. It consists of the three Hebrew letters: Nun, Tzadde, Resh. There is another Hebrew word that contains the same three Hebrew letters for 'watchman' which is 'Notzri" or "Notzrim" (plural). Notzri is the Hebrew word for 'Christian'. Notzri (Christian) contains the same Hebrew letters as 'watchman' (Notzar) which is: Nun, Tzadde, Resh.

In his book, "Ephraim: The Gentile Children of Israel" by Yair Davidi who is an Orthodox Jew who lives in Jerusalem, he explains that words in the Hebrew language have a basic three letter root and that each word that contains the same basic Hebrew root letters can have a similar internal meaning.

Therefore, the Bible implies that the 'watchmen' in the end of days who declares, 'Let Us Go Up To Zion' (Jer 31:6) will be regarded as being 'Christians' (believers in Yeshua as the Messiah).

A WATCHMAN BLOWS A SHOFAR (sounds a warning) TO WARN OF JUDGMENT COMING UPON A LAND

In Ezekiel 33:1-7, we are told that a duty of a watchman is to 'blow the shofar' (declare a prophetic warning) when he sees a 'sword' coming upon the land. If he blows the shofar and the people take warning then the people are the better for it. If the people don't take warning then the blood of judgment is upon the people and not the watchman.

In the end of days, a trumpet is to be 'blown in Zion' (Joel 2:1). Interestingly, I have had this Scripture at the top of the HHMI (hebroots.com) or (hebroots.org) website since 1996.

The reason why the trumpet is to be 'blown in Zion' (Joel 2:1) is that the 'DAY OF THE LORD' (YHVH) is at hand (Joel 2:1). The reason why a trumpet needs to be 'blown in Zion' is that Zion is SPIRITUALLY ASLEEP and doesn't recognize that the 'DAY OF THE LORD' (YHVH) is at hand.

WHY IS ZION SPIRITUALLY ASLEEP IN JUDAISM ?

Zion is spiritually asleep in traditional Judaism for several reasons.

#1) They spend more time studying the Talmud than the prophets of Israel

#2) They have a theology that 'bad things' written by the prophets don't have to come to pass. In other words, NOT ALL the words of the prophets MUST come to pass. The BAD THINGS (judgment) is OPTIONAL. As a result, traditional Judaism doesn't focus on the prophetic 'bad things'. Rather, they focus on studying more Talmud and following Rabbinic tradition.

WHY IS ZION SPIRITUALLY ASLEEP IN CHRISTIANITY ?

Zion is spiritually asleep in traditional Christianity for several reasons.

#1) Because of dispensational theology (age of law / age of grace) wherein the OT is written about the Jews and the NT is written about the Christians, dispensationalists believe that Zion is a term that refers to THEM (the Jews) and THEIR LAND (the land of Israel) and the covenant that YHVH through Abraham (Genesis 12, 15) made with THEM. Dispensationalists believe that the prophecies about Zion pertain to THEM (the Jews) while the Christians get to be blessed with a pre- tribulation rapture for believing in Yeshua as the Messiah. Those who espouse this doctrine are commonly called: Evangelical Christians or Christian Zionists. While Christian Zionists might protest the potential creation of a PLO state and dividing the city of Jerusalem, it is only for "love" purposes toward the Jewish people and the land of Israel.

While Christian Zionists want to "love" THEM on behalf of the covenant made with Abraham (Genesis 12, 15), the irony is that we are told in Galatians 3:29 that those who accept Yeshua as the Messiah are HEIRS of what was promised to Abraham (the land). As a result, Christian Zionists are ASLEEP not realizing that the covenant made with "THEM" is in reality made with THEM AND US. Therefore, Christian Zionists don't realize that they ARE ZION along with THEM (the Jews). So, there is a need to 'blow the shofar' to Christian Zionists.

#2) Because of dispensational theology (age of law / age of grace) and the prevalent view of a pre-tribulation rapture, most Christians believe that the tribulation events don't pertain to them. While believing in a 7 year tribulation based upon Daniel 9:24-27, they don't believe that the CURRENT Israel / PLO peace process to divide the land of Israel (Joel 3:2) and the city of Jerusalem (Zech 14:2) is the 'covenant of death' (Is 28:15) which the "anti-Christ" signs with the nation of Israel.

Because of the blindness of dispensational theology and the belief in the pre-tribulation rapture, most Christians don't consider that the CURRENT PRESIDENT of the USA (George Bush) is fulfilling the prophecies wherein a leader in the the world will encourage and entice the nation of Israel to eventually sign a 'covenant of death'. Instead, many Christians still view President Bush as a 'Christian' president more than an individual who is fulfilling the prophecies about enticing Israel to make a 'covenant with death'.

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF ANNAPOLIS

I first became interested in studying Bible prophecy in 1979. I have devoted my spiritual life to studying this subject. At first, I learned what I refer to as "An Evangelical Dispensational" view of Bible Prophecy. I did this from 1979- 1989.

My understanding began to GRADUALLY change as I began to study the "Hebraic Roots of Christianity". Eventually, I began to study the Biblical Festivals, the Sabbath, the New Moon and the Restoration of the Two Houses of Israel. In doing so, I learned that the end of days is about an endtime battle between Jacob and Esau. I learned that Biblical history is prophecy about the end of days. One day, I realized that the Festivals, Sabbath, New Moon, the end of the exile of the house of Jacob (Ephraim and Judah) and the battle between Jacob and Esau teaches us about the end of days and the role of the Messiah to redeem His people. I also realized that the fulfillment of all these things is Biblical Zion. I learned that the redemption of Zion is the role of the Messiah.

One day, I was SHOCKED when I learned that we are told in the book of John that Yeshua died to gather the exiles of Israel (Ephraim and Judah) (John 11:49-52) and Yeshua was asked WHEN this event will PHYSICALLY happen in Acts 1:6. I was also SHOCKED to realize that Paul was preaching the ingatheirng of the exiles in his missionary journeys (Acts 26:6- 7).

Ultimately, I learned that these prophecies were about ME as a believer in Yeshua as the Messiah as well as about THEM.

As a result, I discovered that what I had previously learned from studying "Evangelical Dispensational View of the End of Days" was in CONFLICT with the "Hebraic View of the End of Days" because dispensational theology didn't use the tools (Festivals, Sabbath, New Moon) that Paul told us in Colossians 2:16-17 teaches us about the 2nd coming of Yeshua the Messiah.

As I increased wisdom (understanding how the Festivals, Sabbath, New Moon, restoring the two houses of Israel (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses.htm) and the endtime battle between Jacob and Esau is linked with the task of the Messiah to redeem Zion), I increased sorrow (Eccl 1:18) (Biblical Zion was spiritually asleep).

I was comforted knowing that those who sow in tears (for Zion) will reap with joy (Psalm 126:5).

In sowing in tears, I wrote the book, "Restoring the Two Houses of Israel (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses.htm)". In this book, I explain how Biblical Zion (US AND THEM) is currently divided on core spiritual issues and that the day would come when the land of Israel would be divided, the city of Jerusalem would be divided through the creation of a PLO state and that this would result in the judgment of the nations (the fall of the USA) and the ingathering of the exiles of Israel (the redemption of Zion).

So, what was the significane of Annapolis? The nation of Israel has made a public commitment along with the USA and the international community to work together to establish a PLO state based upon UN Resolutions 242, 338 and 1397.

WILL ZION WAKE-UP?

Bible believing Christians are still drowzy from the drug of dispensationalism and a peace process that began with Camp David

THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DAY OF THE LORD

When will the prophecies of the end of days (tribulation) be fulfilled? The Bible tells us of EVENTS that happen in a period of time known as the "DAY OF THE LORD" (YHVH) so that when these EVENTS happen then we will know that we are in the days of the tribulation.

The 'Day of the Lord' (YHVH) is a major topic in the Bible. It is the MAJOR subject of the book of Isaiah. The book of Joel mentions the "Day of the Lord" in Joel 1:15, Joel 2:1. The book of Zephaniah mentions the "Day of the Lord" in Zephaniah 1:14-15. The book of Zechariah mentions the "Day of the Lord" in Zechariah 14:1. The book of Obadiah mentions the "Day of the Lord" in Obadiah 1:15.

WHAT ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR EVENTS OF THE DAY OF THE LORD?

#1) In the day of the Lord (Zeph 1:14-15), Gaza will be forsaken

#2) In the day of the Lord (Joel 2:1), the land of Israel will be divided by the nations (Joel 3:2)

#3) In the day of the Lord (Zech 14:2), Jerusalem will be divided.

The "enemy" will say that the "mountains of Israel" (West Bank) belongs to them (Ezekiel 36:1-2).

Has anyone noticed that the nations of the world met at Annapolis to divide the land of Israel (Joel 3:2) and the city of Jerusalem (Zech 14:2) ? Does anyone realize that the creation of a PLO state is a "day of the Lord" (tribulation event) ?

#4) In the day of the Lord (Is 13:6), Babylon is destroyed through a confrontation with the Medes (Iran) (Is 13:17).

Babylon is destroyed through a confrontation with the Medes (Iran) in the time known as the 'vengeance of YHVH' (Jer 51:11) over the 'controversy of Zion' (Is 34:8)

#5) In the day of the Lord (Joel 2:1), Jews will be removed from their homes (Joel 3:6)

#6) In the day of the Lord (Zech 14:1), the nations will be judged for dividing Jerusalem (Zech 14:3) and the judgment will be nuclear (Zech 14:12)

Does anyone understand that when the Bush [and Obama] Administration and the USA had pledged to create a PLO state (and thus divide the land of Israel and the city of Jerusalem) that the judgment for doing so is nuclear destruction (Zechariah 14:12).

Does anyone understand that the fate of the USA is SEALED with the pledge to create a PLO state and that fate for the USA is nuclear destruction (Zech 14:12) ?

THE DAY OF THE LORD (YHVH) IS AT HAND

From all these things, you may conclude what you want. However, I am concluding that the "Day of the Lord" is at hand.

THE END OF THE EXILE FOR THE NORTHERN KINGDOM

Ezekiel laid on his side to prophetically represent the judgment upon the Northern Kingdom (Epraim / Ten Tribes) for 390 days (Ezekiel 4:1-5). Because of lack of repentance (Leviticus 26:14), this punishment was multiplied by 7 (Leviticus 26:18, 21, 24, 28).

390 x 7 = 2730 years

The Northern Kingdom was taken captive by the Assyrians in approx 721 B.C.E. When is the judgment of the Northern Kingdom over?

2730 - 721 = 2009

ARE YOU A WISE OR FOOLISH VIRGIN?

Are you a wise virgin (understand the Hebraic View of the End of Days and prepared for the coming of King Messiah) or a foolish virgin (fallen asleep from dispensational theology) and are asleep and are MISSING the SIGNIFICANT EVENTS of the "Day of the Lord" (YHVH) which lead to the coming of King Messiah? In any event, the end of days prophecies are in the process of happening before our very eyes.

Soon, the "foolish virgins" will want to buy "oil" from the "wise virigins" and the "wise virgins" won't be able to sell to the foolish virgins (Matthew 25:1-13).

Yair Davidy is an Orthodox Jew / he gives a nice overview of the Northern Kingdom and what the scriptures say would happen to them historically in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36IZAtL4e_c&feature=player_embedded)

whirlwind

02-07-2011, 06:00 AM

I moved this thread here to the "Delusions, UFOs, and Conspiracy Theories" forum because it is promoting ridiculous ideas like English Gematria, Date Setting, erroneous Hebrew Roots teachers and doctrines, and so on. It's a real smorgasbord of nuttiness, and the author (144) does not appear interested in actually supporting his ideas with any structured arguments, or even basic explanations. Just page after page of seemingly schizophrenic associations between random numbers, words, dates, natural catastrophes, political leaders, and the kitchen sink.

Luke 21:14-16 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

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whirlwind

02-07-2011, 06:16 AM

The reason why the trumpet is to be 'blown in Zion' (Joel 2:1) is that the 'DAY OF THE LORD' (YHVH) is at hand (Joel 2:1). The reason why a trumpet needs to be 'blown in Zion' is that Zion is SPIRITUALLY ASLEEP and doesn't recognize that the 'DAY OF THE LORD' (YHVH) is at hand.

As a result, Christian Zionists are ASLEEP not realizing that the covenant made with "THEM" is in reality made with THEM AND US. Therefore, Christian Zionists don't realize that they ARE ZION along with THEM (the Jews). So, there is a need to 'blow the shofar' to Christian Zionists.

2) Because of dispensational theology (age of law / age of grace) and the prevalent view of a pre-tribulation rapture, most Christians believe that the tribulation events don't pertain to them. While believing in a 7 year tribulation based upon Daniel 9:24-27, they don't believe that the CURRENT Israel / PLO peace process to divide the land of Israel (Joel 3:2) and the city of Jerusalem (Zech 14:2) is the 'covenant of death' (Is 28:15) which the "anti-Christ" signs with the nation of Israel.

I began to study the Biblical Festivals, the Sabbath, the New Moon and the Restoration of the Two Houses of Israel. In doing so, I learned that the end of days is about an endtime battle between Jacob and Esau. I learned that Biblical history is prophecy about the end of days. One day, I realized that the Festivals, Sabbath, New Moon, the end of the exile of the house of Jacob (Ephraim and Judah) and the battle between Jacob and Esau teaches us about the end of days and the role of the Messiah to redeem His people. I also realized that the fulfillment of all these things is Biblical Zion. I learned that the redemption of Zion is the role of the Messiah.

Ultimately, I learned that these prophecies were about ME as a believer in Yeshua as the Messiah as well as about THEM.

As I increased wisdom (understanding how the Festivals, Sabbath, New Moon, restoring the two houses of Israel (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses.htm) and the endtime battle between Jacob and Esau is linked with the task of the Messiah to redeem Zion), I increased sorrow (Eccl 1:18) (Biblical Zion was spiritually asleep).

I was comforted knowing that those who sow in tears (for Zion) will reap with joy (Psalm 126:5).

When will the prophecies of the end of days (tribulation) be fulfilled? The Bible tells us of EVENTS that happen in a period of time known as the "DAY OF THE LORD" (YHVH) so that when these EVENTS happen then we will know that we are in the days of the tribulation.

THE DAY OF THE LORD (YHVH) IS AT HAND

From all these things, you may conclude what you want. However, I am concluding that the "Day of the Lord" is at hand.

THE END OF THE EXILE FOR THE NORTHERN KINGDOM

Ezekiel laid on his side to prophetically represent the judgment upon the Northern Kingdom (Epraim / Ten Tribes) for 390 days (Ezekiel 4:1-5). Because of lack of repentance (Leviticus 26:14), this punishment was multiplied by 7 (Leviticus 26:18, 21, 24, 28).

390 x 7 = 2730 years

The Northern Kingdom was taken captive by the Assyrians in approx 721 B.C.E. When is the judgment of the Northern Kingdom over?

2730 - 721 = 2009 ARE YOU A WISE OR FOOLISH VIRGIN?
Are you a wise virgin (understand the Hebraic View of the End of Days and prepared for the coming of King Messiah) or a foolish virgin (fallen asleep from dispensational theology) and are asleep and are MISSING the SIGNIFICANT EVENTS of the "Day of the Lord" (YHVH) which lead to the coming of King Messiah? In any event, the end of days prophecies are in the process of happening before our very eyes.

Dear 444,

I cut a great deal of your post simply to focus on the above very, very important parts. I very much agree with what is written.

You are a watchman and I thank you for the warning. I pray others will hear. Knowing about the two houses is imperative! Knowing there is no pre-trib rapture is imperative! Knowing the end didn't happen in 70AD is imperative! Knowing that the prophecies are about us is imperative!

The year 2009 was also given to me as a specific marker in time. It began the last days and those days have been shortened.

Thank you for this thread.

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144

02-07-2011, 01:01 PM

Shalom everybody

and thank you Whirlwind for your good report

a Sister in the LORD sent me two articles today, saying, HE says these events are important.

10/09/2009 - 7/08/2011 = six hundred thirty seven days 340 July eight two thousand eleven 340

The web address http://www.space.com/10778-tiny-asteroid-passes-earth.html?

The small asteroid, called 2011 CQ 1, passed within 3,400 miles

10778th vs. 1Ch 14:3 And David took more wives at Jerusalem: and David begat more sons and daughters. = 708

The U.S. Geological Survey reports the temblor hit at 08:59:35 (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/uu00005626.php) utc Saturday and had preliminary magnitude of 3.4

It was centered 12 miles southeast of West Yellowstone, Mont., and originated 7.7 miles below ground.

1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12 = 78 earthquake = 107 > 1+7/8

Yellowstone national park Wyoming = 403

Event ID uu00005626

1 verse = 5626 in Hebrew

1672nd vs. Exo 6:16 And these are the names of the sons of Levi according to their generations; Gershon, and Kohath, and Merari: and the years of the life 187 of Levi were an hundred thirty and seven years 341. = 1589

Date-Time earthquake, 2/05/2011 at 08:59:35 UTC

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Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 02:27 PM

You are a watchman and I thank you for the warning. I pray others will hear. Knowing about the two houses is imperative! Knowing there is no pre-trib rapture is imperative! Knowing the end didn't happen in 70AD is imperative! Knowing that the prophecies are about us is imperative!

The "two house" doctrine which states that Gentile Christians are "really" Ephraim and that Jews are "really" all of the tribe of Judah is false. It's just another modern man-made speculation just like the "pre-tribulation rapture" theory.

If anything is "imperative" for Christians to know it is what is actually written in the Bible, and the common sense interpretation of it. Nothing posted here by 144 fits either of those criteria. He posts random collections of words, numbers, events, and what-not, and does not even bother to attempt any kind of explanation.

The year 2009 was also given to me as a specific marker in time. It began the last days and those days have been shortened.

Date setting is wrong. It has been going on for nearly two thousand years and it always fails. This is especially obvious in recent times since folks have been making more and more false predictions.

Date setting is wrong. It makes a mockery of Christianity.

Richard

whirlwind

02-07-2011, 02:56 PM

The "two house" doctrine which states that Gentile Christians are "really" Ephraim and that Jews are "really" all of the tribe of Judah is false. It's just another modern man-made speculation just like the "pre-tribulation rapture" theory.

Did I mention Gentiles?

Jews are Judah...Jew-dah...Judah. There is presently the house of Israel and the house of Judah. All are Israel but not all are Jews.

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

He found us, we carry His name...Christ/Christian.

If anything is "imperative" for Christians to know it is what is actually written in the Bible, and the common sense interpretation of it. Nothing posted here by 144 fits either of those criteria. He posts random collections of words, numbers, events, and what-not, and does not even bother to attempt any kind of explanation.

Perhaps it isn't for some?

Date setting is wrong. It has been going on for nearly two thousand years and it always fails. This is especially obvious in recent times since folks have been making more and more false predictions.

Date setting is wrong. It makes a mockery of Christianity.

Richard

A mockery? What does He tell us?

Luke 12:2-3 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

12:9-12 But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

12:35-40 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when He will return from the wedding; that when He cometh and knocketh, they may open unto Him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when He cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

Look at that...there's that phrase "this time" again. You probably think it meant 70AD.

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Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 03:36 PM

Did I mention Gentiles?

Yes, you did that implicitly when you said that it was imperative that folks know about the "two houses" because the two-house doctrine, according to Eddie Chumney (who is being promoted by 144 in this thread) states that the "house of Israel" is "Christianity" while the "house of Judah" is Judaism (source (http://www.hebroots.org/2housesch1.html#CHAP1)):

Who are the two houses of Israel? Historically, they were the Northern Kingdom (house of Israel) and the Southern Kingdom (house of Judah). Today, the two houses of the G-d of Israel are known by the more common names of Christianity (house of Israel) and Judaism (house of Judah). Both Christianity (house of Israel) and Judaism (house of Judah) worship the G-d of Israel. However, they have historically disagreed with the method of expressing true Biblical worship to the G-d of Israel. These disagreements have divided the children of the G-d of Israel into two houses of worship of the G-d of Israel. Why are the two houses of Israel (Christianity and Judaism) divided?

....

Allegorically speaking, the family (mishpochah) of the G-d of Israel is likened to an olive tree. In Jeremiah (Yermiyahu) 11:16-17 it is written:

"The Lord called thy name. A green olive tree … For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee … the house of Israel AND of the house of Judah …"

The house of Judah (Judaism) is the root and natural branches of the olive tree of the G-d of Israel. The house of Israel (Christianity) is GRAFTED into this olive tree. In Romans 11:13, 17 it is written:

"For I speak to you Gentiles [Christianity]… and thou, being a wild olive tree, wast grafted in among them [the natural root of the house of Judah]…"

Chumney explicitly defines Gentiles as "Christianity." But he also defines them as "Israel" so he really is just another nutcase making up his own crazy theories. If you think he is wrong on this point, then GREAT! I encourage to take that as a clue and reject all the crap he has made up and passed off as "Biblical."

Jews are Judah...Jew-dah...Judah. There is presently the house of Israel and the house of Judah. All are Israel but not all are Jews.

That is false. By the first century, the term "Jew" came to mean anyone abiding by the Mosaic Covenant, regardless of tribal affiliation. There were people of living in Israel at the time of Christ who were not of the "House of Judah." The entire theory about the two houses is totally wrong and without any foundation in the Bible whatsoever. There are no "lost tribes" of Israel hiding out somewhere because they have been absorbed by interbreeding into the general so-called "Gentile" population of the planet. Like a drop of ink in an ocean, they are now permanently gone. The genetic "ink" can not be unmixed.

Matthew 15:24 But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.He found us, we carry His name...Christ/Christian.

Paul the Jew was also a Christian.

Date setting is wrong. It has been going on for nearly two thousand years and it always fails. This is especially obvious in recent times since folks have been making more and more false predictions.

Date setting is wrong. It makes a mockery of Christianity.

Richard

A mockery? What does He tell us?
Luke 12:2-3 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

12:9-12 But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

12:35-40 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when He will return from the wedding; that when He cometh and knocketh, they may open unto Him immediately. Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when He cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

12:56 Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? Look at that...there's that phrase "this time" again. You probably think it meant 70AD.

Those verses do not justify date setting in any way at all. And no, I do not say that Christ was talking only about 70 AD. He was talking about the entire "last days" period that spanned his ministry to 70 AD. In Matthew's parallel of his passage, be spoke of the sign of Jonah which was his death and resurrection:

Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
The mystery to me is how any one who knows anything about the Bible could be so ignorant of the "Big Picture" that culminated in 70 AD. It is the greatest evidence of Scripture and you fight against it.

Date setting is an absolute mockery of God and the Bible. Date setters make up their own elaborate an convoluted theories and mislead people about the Bible and they are proven wrong every time. This has been going on for nearly two thousand years. So the world looks and says "LOOK AT THOSE FOOLS - it's no wonder they believe in Jesus" and we see that God is blasphemed by date-setters.

Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 05:30 PM

The Hebrew Roots Movement is so outrageously unbiblical that one of its primary teachers, Monte Judah, has openly declared (http://www.seekgod.ca/mjaarevisited.htm) that the Book of Hebrews should not be in the Bible!

Most false teachers are content to merely twist the words of Scripture to form their doctrinal pretzels. But not Monte Judah. He's the "real deal" - he just rips out any text he can't force to fit his false doctrines.

Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 05:41 PM

I moved this thread here to the "Delusions, UFOs, and Conspiracy Theories" forum because it is promoting ridiculous ideas like English Gematria, Date Setting, erroneous Hebrew Roots teachers and doctrines, and so on. It's a real smorgasbord of nuttiness, and the author (144) does not appear interested in actually supporting his ideas with any structured arguments, or even basic explanations. Just page after page of seemingly schizophrenic associations between random numbers, words, dates, natural catastrophes, political leaders, and the kitchen sink.
Luke 21:14-16 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Why did you quote that verse? It has nothing to do with my post. I simply spoke the truth about the irrationality of his posts.

Where are these "words of wisdom" that he is supposed to be speaking? I have seen none. On the contrary, he propagates false doctrines and supports false teachers who explicitly reject the Bible.

Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 07:14 PM

Ephraimites or Ephra I am nots? (http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general776.html)

Cleveland Jewish News/October 17, 2005
By Stephanie Garber

Imagine the outrage if a practicing Jew were to don a Roman collar, assume the title 'priest,' and open his own 'Catholic church,' interpreting its holidays and symbols however he liked, says Rabbi Tovia Singer, talk-show host, and founder and national director of Outreach Judaism.
But that is exactly what 'Hebraic Roots' adherents (also known as 'Israelites' or 'Ephraimites,' among other names) do. These groups are led by self-taught individuals who use the title 'rabbi' and/or 'congregational leader,' as well as 'synagogue' (complete with Hebrew names like Beth HaKavod) for their churches.

These gentiles in Jewish clothing actually claim to be the 'true Israelites' n direct, biological descendants of the lost tribe of Ephraim. Of course there are no DNA or blood tests to confirm this unsubstantiated claim.
Angus Wootten, one of the movement’s grandaddies, explains in his book Restoring Israel’s Kingdom how someone can find out if he or she is a biological member of the tribe of Ephraim: You simply 'have a ‘conviction,’ a knowing that we know.'

While this David Koresh-sounding theology appears ridiculous to both Jews and the vast majority of Christians, the sobering fact is that their numbers are growing constantly. From their websites and links, it would appear there are about 30 Ephraim-style groups in Ohio alone, although it’s hard to get an exact count because they use so many names n Ephraimites, Hebraic Roots Christians, Lost Tribes, Northern Kingdom, Israelites, House of Israel, Messianic Christians, and House of Joseph.

Rabbi Melvin Granatstein of Green Road Synagogue says there are all kinds of ersatz groups like these. 'Catholics have to follow certain scriptural interpretation, but Protestants can pick up a Bible and interpret on their own,' he explains. 'Some (Protestants) are very respectable, but others just focus on the parts of scripture they like, and the Bible can have very diverse interpretations.'

Saying you’re from a lost tribe has a certain 'romantic appeal,' continues Granatstein. 'The neat thing about claiming to be part of a lost tribe is, if it’s lost, who’s going to be able to prove me wrong?'

While Hebraic Rooters claim to 'unite Jews and Christians' as their ultimate goal, in reality, they seem to hold both groups in disdain. Jews seem to think they are 'Cokes' (the real thing), says Wootten in his book Restoring. He questions Jewish ancestral lines '(that have) been affected by conversions, adoptions and extramarital sex (fornication, adultery or rape).' He seems to have particular disdain for the Orthodox, labeling them, among other things, as mean-spirited rock-throwers. Christians fare no better under Wootten’s scathing pen: They are guilty of 'Esau’s folly' n throwing away their birthright as the 'biological heirs of the tribe of Ephraim.'

Tired of being 'second-class citizens,' these self-proclaimed 'Ephraimites' demand that Jews 'recognize' them as 'Israelites' n and that would include rights to the Middle East real estate.
In 1948, '... instead of naming this Jewish state ‘Judah’ ... they named it Israel,' Wooten writes. 'Now, in one fell swoop, the Jews grabbed the title back.' Wootten is appalled that these Jews had the chutzpah to name their country 'Israel' n when those of his 'tribe' knew it was partially theirs!

Eddie Chumney, who was a computer specialist before going full-time into 'the ministry' almost a decade ago, heads a 'synagogue' in Stark County; his members, he claims, come from Tuscarawas, Carrol, Stark, Wayne, Summit and Cuyahoga counties. Chumney also founded 'Hebraic Roots International,' which claims a database network of subscribers in all 50 states and in 55 foreign countries. He travels extensively, both nationally and internationally, at the invitation of gentile groups who want to hear about their 'lost (but now found!) heritage.'

Raised Protestant, Chumney says he was 'awakened' to what the New Testament 'really' teaches after studying Jewish texts and taking Torah classes from a Reform rabbi in Akron. Chumney accuses Jews of 'blindness' for not acknowledging their 'Northern Kingdom' relatives. He threatens that peace will only come to Israel when they do so. He also says that Christians are 'drunkards like Ephraim,' who have been lied to over the millennia n mostly because of the Catholic Church n as to what Jesus really taught.

The gospel according to Chumney is that Jesus came to 'unite the two kingdoms' (i.e., Jews and 'Israelites') and teach the 'Israelites' (gentile Christians) to observe Jewish law. Of course, this is contrary to halachah (Jewish law), which actually says gentiles are forbidden to observe Shabbat, a doctrine which Chumney asserts is false and put forth by 'the rabbis.' It’s a title he occasionally uses himself. (See sidebar, p. 29.)
While Chumney alludes to both Jewish texts and the New Testament scriptures, mixing doctrines and beliefs from both, he chafes at the accusation that he has made up his own religion. He simply wants 'the house of Judah' to recognize 'the house of Joseph' (his house) and for the latter to recognize Jesus’s 'true' mission 'foreshadowed in the Torah when those who received the law at Mt. Sinai were the only ones who escaped Egypt because they had put the blood on their doorposts.'

Chumney asserts that 'obviously, there’s not going to be paper documentation' for the Ephraimite/Northern Kingdom/Lost Tribe/ House of Joseph connection. The only 'proof,' it seems, is that one adheres to Chumney’s instruction.

The Chumney/Wootten type of teaching is mushrooming. Rick Ross, an internationally-recognized cult expert, and a former Clevelander, calls it 'a growing phenomenon in the United States.'

Ross 'runs into these groups all the time,' but says the 'Hebraic Roots' movement is really just an old teaching with a facelift. He points out that the Worldwide Church of God, founded by Herbert Armstrong in 1934, taught that Anglo-Saxons are direct descendants of the 10 lost tribes of Israel, and that church viewed that teaching as the key, unlocking a true understanding of biblical prophecy. At its peak, there were 65,000 Armstrongists, says Ross.

'These groups are very misleading and very disingenuous,' he cautions. 'They have an affinity for Jewish holidays and symbols but have no Jewish background whatsoever,' says Ross. 'It really becomes a shanda (shame), as my grandmother would say, when they start parading around with Torah scrolls and trotting out Jewish symbols.'

Actually, says Ross, there is a psychological component as to why certain types of people are attracted to these types of groups. 'It gives them a sense of elite identity. In fact, there is a Yiddish phrase that sums it up perfectly: kol mamzer melech n Every bastard wants to be a king.'
Will the real rabbi please stand up?

'Anyone can invent his own religion,' says Tovia Singer, founder and director of Outreach Judaism. 'But the reason these movements are dangerous is that they don’t respect boundaries. They are not Jewish at all, and (its leaders and adherents) have no rabbinic background whatsoever; they are simply playing with Jewish beliefs and rituals.'
Certainly one of the ways the Hebraic Rooters play with Judaism is with their cavalier use of the title 'rabbi.' For example, in the advertisement for Eddie Chumney’s '2005 Midwest Feast of Tabernacles' event to be held in Ohio next month, three of the four speakers are listed as rabbis, although not one of them has any rabbinic training at all.

If, as the former computer specialist-turned-self-proclaimed-minister says, people will be coming from as far as Florida to attend the weeklong event, they will paying to attend something where the rabbis are not rabbis at all, and the Succot experience is certainly not going to be a very 'Jewish' one.

If someone were to call him or herself an attorney or physician and attempt to practice as such, that individual would be thrown in jail, says Rabbi Singer. Using the title 'rabbi' won’t get someone thrown in jail, but it is consumer fraud, he adds.

'The parameters of Jewish identity exclusively and historically lay within the Jewish community,' says cult expert Rick Ross. 'Unless you recognize the parameters of a religion’s identity, you are going down a slippery slope and opening the doors to anything and everything, such as Catholics for Krishna, Mormons for Mohammed, Baptists for Buddha.'

144

02-07-2011, 09:27 PM

search: Tovia Singer anti - missionary / Eddie Chumney teaching on God' Learning Channel 88 1/2 hour programs Here (http://www.waytozion.org/video/eddie/eddie.htm)

have an accusation, where does he error in any of these half hour teachings ?

i have been listening to his Live 5 minute update (http://www.hebroots.com/5minuteupdate.htm)on Paltalk most every Shabbat / for a few years now and have never heard anyone call him a rabbi or any title for that matter...i think years ago maybe he did on a book cover, But for anyone to use as their main source the #1 anti -missionary against the gospel going to the House of Judah, tovia singer

that says it all by itself!

Hosea 5:15 I will go and return to My Place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek My Face: "in their affliction 178" they will seek Me early.

First it must be asked when did YHWH leave His Place ?

Phil 2:7 But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a Servant

And what is the offense of Judah, of Ephraim? Judah Zech 12:10 <> Ephraim/ Christianity Hosea 8:12

1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

Hosea 6:2
After two days HE will revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.

The exact phrase " The Day of the LORD" occurs 16 times 14 of those verses are in the Tanakh, and two times in the Brit Hadashah...the prophets speak more about what is happening NOW than any other generation.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the LORD's Day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

How long of a timespan was John shown ?

Rev 20: 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

He was given a message for the Seven Churches, then John was taken into the period of time the Prophets call the Day of YHWH

All biblical days begin at sunset, the night, the Seventh Day propetically begins as a time of deep darkness, and then it is at Midnight when the call is made to go out and meet the Bridegroom...In the affliction -Midnight-Jacob's trouble to return to the Land

believers are told specifically not to be ignorant in this next verse, yet most still are not aware.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which 107 the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

How long is the Day of the LORD ? a thousand years, duh

When He returns in Glory He shall give the overcomers the morning star = the Light part of the Seventh Day / the Messianic Era, When He shall reign and rule over the whole earth as Messiah benDavid, KING YESHUA from Jerusalem. Isaiah 2:1-5

so we can now easily see that HE said that He would return to His Place for Two days / 2,000 years and in the Affliction/Tribulation is when Judah and Ephraim/Christianity will acknowledge their offenses

unless those days are shortened / both

Then at the end of the Day of the LORD, after the thousand year reign, that is when things melt and He makes all things New

Baruch YESHUA, King of Yisra'EL

Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 10:51 PM

search: Tovia Singer anti - missionary / Eddie Chumney teaching on God' Learning Channel 88 1/2 hour programs Here (http://www.waytozion.org/video/eddie/eddie.htm)

have an accusation, where does he error in any of these half hour teachings ?

i have been listening to his Live 5 minute update (http://www.hebroots.com/5minuteupdate.htm)on Paltalk most every Shabbat / for a few years now and have never heard anyone call him a rabbi or any title for that matter...i think years ago maybe he did on a book cover, But for anyone to use as their main source the #1 anti -missionary against the gospel going to the House of Judah, tovia singer

that says it all by itself!

I'm glad to see you finally decided to break your silence and speak with words rather than mute and meaningless uninterpreted random associations.

I did not use Tovia Singer as a "main source" for anything. He just happened to be quoted in the article. I did not base any conclusion on what he said. Your comment is irrelevant.

Now as for Chumney's teachings: his entire "two house" theory is false and unbiblical. And it also is absurd to believe that there are descendants of the "ten tribes" of Israel that could be distinguished from "Gentiles." Even God could not distinguish them because the do not exist ... unless you believe that the entire population of the planet is now to be identified as the "ten tribes." This is a simple consequence of hundreds of generations of randomly interbreeding with Gentiles. Now almost every person on the planet can trace their ancestry to a physical son of Abraham.

Furthermore, he has a page on his website supporting the false teacher and false prophet Monte Judah who explicitly denies Scripture, saying the book of Hebrews should not be in the Bible.

The exact phrase " The Day of the LORD" occurs 16 times 14 of those verses are in the Tanakh, and two times in the Brit Hadashah...the prophets speak more about what is happening NOW than any other generation.

That is ludicrous in the extreme. The Bible plainly states that the "end times" and the "last days" and the "end of the age" all happened in the first century. False teachers and the folks fooled by them have always believed that their own day was the "end of the age." Folks believed this ten years ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 200 years ago, 400 years ago. What makes you think the you and your "teachers" are "right" while everyone else who has made similar claims has always been proven wrong?

believers are told specifically not to be ignorant in this next verse, yet most still are not aware.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Hey now! That's Harold Camping's favorite proof text for his incontrovertible proof that the rapture will happen on May 21, 2011, and the annihilation of the whole universe on Oct 21, 2011. He says that it is absolutely impossible for him to be wrong because everything comes from the Bible and besides that, God has given many "amazing proofs." He is one of my favorite Date-setting Doomsday Dingbats, especially since he was proven wrong about his prediction of 1994 and yet still has thousands of weak-minded "true believers" who accept every crazy interpretation he offers. And he's not really any different than you or any other date-setting futurist. His interpretations of the Bible are transparently false and beyond absurd and trivial to refute, just like Chumney's, and Whirlwind's, and yours, and especially the ridiculous and anti-biblical teachings found on the www.danielstimeline.com (http://www.danielstimeline.com) site.

Thanks for taking the time to write something I could respond to.

All the best,

Richard

Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 11:02 PM

144

02-07-2011, 11:50 PM

Hey there 144,

You got me wondering. How long have you been a Futurist? I ask because if you've been a Futurist for many years, and you currently believe in date-setting, then you probably have believed in date-setting in the past. Therefore, it seems pretty likely that you've had a number of false predictions come and go. For example, Chuck Smith foolishly believed, along with thousand of other fools, that Christ would return in 1981 because 1981 = 1948 + 40 - 7. And remember all the fools who believed in 1988? And Harold Camping was famous for his false predictions about 1994 and is currently pushing his false prediction of May 21, 2011 as an infallible revelation straight from God's Word. And then all the foolish date-setters jumped on the 1999 bandwagon, and then the year 2000 stole all their brains because it was supposed to be the beginning of the "seventh day" of creation (which supposedly began in 4004 BC). Yep! That "a day is as a thousand years" has been the mainstay of date-setters since the beginning. It's funny to see how they use the same idea but change the application every time they need to create a new date after being proven wrong again. And on and on and on and on it goes. So unless you are brand-new to the date-setting scene, I am pretty sure that you've been proven wrong a number of times already. I'd love it if you would share some of the false dates that you fell for in the past. It would be good to help others from being deceived in a similar way, right? I mean, an argument could be made that it is your duty to warn other believers of the dangers of date-setting, right?

All the best,

Richard

Are you alluding to 7/8/2008 the date you accused me of setting ?

I hate to do this

the two people who set that date are Stephen, maybe the same Stephen who has the stars by his posts on your site.

He did not like me then, and still doesn't 2/2008 was the first time i ever considered English Gematria and knew nothing of possible Hebrew connections

His e-mail Stephen <wilkste@aol.com>;

The second person who set that date, not sure which one of them it was

Ross Verba / youngest offensive lineman to start in a Superbowl # 78

ross verba <rossverba33@yahoo.com>;

Thanks to them i was introduced into English Gematria, and thanks to you Richard for the good work you did putting this site together, hard to believe He could use a preterist

Baruch HaShem

Richard Amiel McGough

02-07-2011, 11:57 PM

144

02-08-2011, 12:29 AM

One of the fundamental errors found in Eddie Chumney's teachings is that he calls the Apostle Paul "Rav Sha'ul." This is contrary to the Bible. Paul himself signs his own letters with the name "Paul" and Jesus himself called him Paul when he appeared to him
Acts 23:11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.
This is just another example of how the Hebrew Roots Movement is fundamentally anti-biblical. They change things to suit their own teachings, and even reject whole books of Scripture if they don't like what they teach (e.g. Eddie Chumney publicly supports Monte Judah who rejects the book of Hebrews).

A little leaven ...

Rav Sha'ul.

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Cor 1:1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

Apostle occurs 19 times, Paul calls himself an Apostle 16 times of those 19

Peter calls himself an Apostle two times

Hebrews 1:1

1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

When Yeshua said call no man father, He meant in the ultimate sense.

When He said call no man Rabbi, He meant in the ultimate sense

YESHUA is The Apostle, The One in Paul who did the work, the One paul fought against when he persecuted believers, why he said he was the least of the apostles for doing so.

Yet 16 times Paul an apostle, but not The Apostle

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as for Monte Judah

i do believe he did say he thought the book of Hebrews shouldn't be in the canon of scripture , he couldn't be more wrong, and hopefully he knows that fully now, he teaches Hebrews as scripture now, so he must....He teaches on Paltalk on Erev Shabbat, you can type questions in the room and ask, he also has a teaching during the week / you can find the schedule @ Http://lionlamb.net

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 12:58 AM

Rav Sha'ul.

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the gentiles, I magnify mine office:

1 Cor 1:1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

Apostle occurs 19 times, Paul calls himself an Apostle 16 times of those 19

Peter calls himself an Apostle two times

Hebrews 1:1

1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

When Yeshua said call no man father, He meant in the ultimate sense.

When He said call no man Rabbi, He meant in the ultimate sense

YESHUA is The Apostle, The One in Paul who did the work, the One paul fought against when he persecuted believers, why he said he was the least of the apostles for doing so.

Yet 16 times Paul an apostle, but not The Apostle

How could you miss my point? I didn't say there was any problem calling Paul an Apostle! And I said nothing about the problem being the term "Rav" - though it is unbiblical in as much as Scripture never uses that term for Paul. My point was that the problem is the Hebrew Roots movement calls him "Rav Saul." He never used that name in any of his NT letters and Christ himself called him "Paul." It's just another example of how the Hebrew Roots movement makes up stuff and presents itself as something it is not - that is, HEBREW. The HebRoots movement is filled with every variety of error - Torah keepers who don't know the first thing of Torah or Gospel, etc. etc. etc.

as for Monte Judah

i do believe he did say he thought the book of Hebrews shouldn't be in the canon of scripture , he couldn't be more wrong, and hopefully he knows that fully now, he teaches Hebrews as scripture now, so he must....He teaches on Paltalk on Erev Shabbat, you can type questions in the room and ask, he also has a teaching during the week / you can find the schedule @ Http://lionlamb.net
I'm glad we agree about Monte Judah's error regarding the book of Hebrews. The fact that he could still be accepted as teacher amongst any Hebrew Roots people indicates the depth of corruption in the whole movement. The fact that Eddie Chumney actively promotes Monte's teachings indicates his understanding of Scripture is fundamentally flawed.

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 01:14 AM

Are you alluding to 7/8/2008 the date you accused me of setting ?

I made no specific "accusation" other than general "date-setting" which is evident from your posts. E.g. you promote the explicitly date-setting website danielstimeline.com. And if I recall correctly, you said something about the Tribulation starting in Sept 2009 (or something like that - the exact date doesn't matter since it's wrong anyway).

I hate to do this

the two people who set that date are Stephen, maybe the same Stephen who has the stars by his posts on your site.

He did not like me then, and still doesn't 2/2008 was the first time i ever considered English Gematria and knew nothing of possible Hebrew connections

His e-mail Stephen <wilkste@aol.com>;

The "five stars" mean nothing. Individual members can rate the threads anyway they want.

And neither does the fact that a post appears on my site indicate any kind of "agreement" on my part with the content, as should be clear by my responses to folks pushing English Gematria and Date-Setting. I am very liberal with my posting policies - folks generally have to be abusive or uncooperative to be banned.

The second person who set that date, not sure which one of them it was

Ross Verba / youngest offensive lineman to start in a Superbowl # 78

ross verba <rossverba33@yahoo.com>;

Again, I don't care about the specific dates because they are all wrong. Each and every one of them. Folks have been setting dates for nearly 2000 years, and they have always been wrong wrong wrong. With a perfectly consistent 2000 year long record of 100% ERROR I find it impossible to comprehend how anyone could ignore such a reality and believe that their "brand new date" is correct. It's just plain nuts.

Thanks to them i was introduced into English Gematria, and thanks to you Richard for the good work you did putting this site together, hard to believe He could use a preterist

Baruch HaShem
Thanks for the good words. I am glad you found the site helpful. But I can assure that you would not find it "hard to believe" that God would use a Preterist if you believed what the Bible actually teaches and confirms with a great body of witnesses. The plain meaning of the plain text is Preterist. It's fine if you want to be a Futurist and deny that the Bible "really" means what it says, but you cannot deny what it actually says without removing yourself from rational discourse.

Finally, I would be very interested to know what makes you think English Gematria has any validity. Do you believe it teaches that Jesus(74) is Lucifer(74)? I have given you all the evidence you need to know that there is no validity to English Gematria. You did not refute my evidence.

Again, I am very pleased that you have chosen to discuss your understanding of the Bible.

All the best,

Richard

144

02-08-2011, 02:44 AM

I made no specific "accusation" other than general "date-setting" which is evident from your posts. E.g. you promote the explicitly date-setting website danielstimeline.com. And if I recall correctly, you said something about the Tribulation starting in Sept 2009 (or something like that - the exact date doesn't matter since it's wrong anyway).

I missed out on that date, was someone saying the tribulation was going to start in Sept of 2009,

you would have to show me that one, as i am not interested in looking it up myself, and have never heard of it until now.

<><><><><><> Strong # 3999 πεντακις pentakis {pen-tak-ece'} multiplicative adverb from 4002;; adv AV - five times 1; 1 1) five times
Gematria 666

lucifer says five times (http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/strongs.asp?Strongs=G3999) I will do this or that, to be like the Most High, one time during that proclamation of self in the scriptures, he is called lucifer 74, men are called elohiyms, GOD was mocking them, because the gods that did not create the heavens and the earth will perish.

so, give us some comparable list of phrases by the devil , start with 153 phrases, then something like Yeshua said with numbers in Mark 4:8 on this thread

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, o lucifer 74, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.

you might also want to consider Sepher Yetzirah (http://www.biblewheel.com/wheel/231gates.asp)

Genesis fourteen - eight 231 Revelation six - two 231

October ninth two thousand nine 345

345 th vs. Genesis 14:8 (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?SearchBy_VerseNumber=345) And "there went out " "the king of sodom", and "the king of gomorrah", and "the king of admah", and "the king of zeboiim ", and "the king of bela", "the same is" zoar, and "they joined battle "with them in""the vale of siddim. 1665 - 3123

white 65 horse 65 av nine 65

total gematria of president's remarks @ the acceptance of the nobel peace prize = 231662 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-acceptance-nobel-peace-prize)

231662 / 31102 = 7.44845990611536:2

31102 x 7 = 217714

231662 - 217714 = 13948th vs. Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and "the rulers take counsel together 350" "against the LORD 153", and "against HIS Anointed ", saying > 1176 <> 1972

1)Your Majesties Your Royal Highnesses , distinguished members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee 290, citizens of America 176, and 'citizens of the world 231 = 1403

october ninth 143 the president 143

Sixty four weeks 220

one year two2 months twenty20 two2 days = 444

10/09/2009 until 12-31-2010 = 448 days

12/31/2010 tornado kills 3 in Arkansas (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110101/ap_on_re_us/us_tornadoes)
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In Arkansas, Gerald Wilson, 88, and his wife, Mamie, 78, died in their home and Dick Murray, 78, died after being caught by the storm while milking cows, Washington County Sheriff Tim Helder said

448th vs. Gen 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 787 -2339

gerald wilson,139 age 88 mamie wilson,133 age 78 dick murray,123 age 78
washington county sheriff tim helder,393

Sepher Yetzirah - Oneg 231 123 Nega

Tevet twenty four = 239 The tenth month of the biblical year on the Hebrew calendar. {12/31/2010 = Tevet 24}

one time lucifer is found in scripture, maybe God allowed it for the purpose of people who's names = 163 or 135 so they will not worry because they match something evil/ Just like their Master, who was accused of being a deceiver / so you believe the 153 list just happened by coincidence, and all these Astonishing connections with 10/09/2009 and the Feast Days this year, He just allowed His Word, His Lively Oracles to fool us like this? and He also put dinosaur bones in the ground so people would believe in evolution, and put the stars billions of light years away, so we would believe the universe is ancient, because it took that long for their light to reach earth, That He didn't do as He said when He created the Sun Moon and Stars for Appointed times and for Signs, but first He needed to wait first for the Light to get here?

yeah right, and richard mcgough can not be wrong

your graph proves nothing, you limit the Almighty to your understanding, and test how HE could have encoded His Word by that understanding

by richard mcgough my graph proves GOD could not have encoded His Word in English/ have you seen His graphs?

i richard mcgoug declare it can not be done!

why ? because

i richard mcgough say so

and everything was fulfilled in 70 A.D

Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:

3:15
That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

whirlwind

02-08-2011, 05:35 AM

Good morning,

Please notice that in your above post...which is #44, it was done at 1:44 by poster 144.

Sort of a seal of approval I think. :yes:

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whirlwind

02-08-2011, 05:41 AM

Yes, you did that implicitly when you said that it was imperative that folks know about the "two houses" because the two-house doctrine, according to Eddie Chumney (who is being promoted by 144 in this thread) states that the "house of Israel" is "Christianity" while the "house of Judah" is Judaism (source (http://www.hebroots.org/2housesch1.html#CHAP1)):

I don't know anyone of that name. I do know about the two houses but I learned it from the Master.

Chumney explicitly defines Gentiles as "Christianity." But he also defines them as "Israel" so he really is just another nutcase making up his own crazy theories. If you think he is wrong on this point, then GREAT! I encourage to take that as a clue and reject all the crap he has made up and passed off as "Biblical."

That is false. By the first century, the term "Jew" came to mean anyone abiding by the Mosaic Covenant, regardless of tribal affiliation. There were people of living in Israel at the time of Christ who were not of the "House of Judah." The entire theory about the two houses is totally wrong and without any foundation in the Bible whatsoever. There are no "lost tribes" of Israel hiding out somewhere because they have been absorbed by interbreeding into the general so-called "Gentile" population of the planet. Like a drop of ink in an ocean, they are now permanently gone. The genetic "ink" can not be unmixed.

Then you disagree with our Lord???

Paul the Jew was also a Christian.

Indeed he was. Is someone arguing that fact?

Those verses do not justify date setting in any way at all. And no, I do not say that Christ was talking only about 70 AD. He was talking about the entire "last days" period that spanned his ministry to 70 AD. In Matthew's parallel of his passage, be spoke of the sign of Jonah which was his death and resurrection:

Matthew 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
The mystery to me is how any one who knows anything about the Bible could be so ignorant of the "Big Picture" that culminated in 70 AD. It is the greatest evidence of Scripture and you fight against it.

Date setting is an absolute mockery of God and the Bible. Date setters make up their own elaborate an convoluted theories and mislead people about the Bible and they are proven wrong every time. This has been going on for nearly two thousand years. So the world looks and says "LOOK AT THOSE FOOLS - it's no wonder they believe in Jesus" and we see that God is blasphemed by date-setters.

:) Yes, many see it as foolish.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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Rose

02-08-2011, 10:02 AM

Then you disagree with our Lord???

:) Yes, many see it as foolish.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned..

Yes indeed! Many see it as foolish, and they are right, because it is foolish...:p

There has never in the history of the Church been even "1" correct prediction concerning the "coming of Christ", or any other date that's been set trying to predict some future prophetic fulfillment....:Date_Setting:

Blessings,
Rose

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 10:03 AM

Chumney explicitly defines Gentiles as "Christianity." But he also defines them as "Israel" so he really is just another nutcase making up his own crazy theories. If you think he is wrong on this point, then GREAT! I encourage to take that as a clue and reject all the crap he has made up and passed off as "Biblical."

That is false. By the first century, the term "Jew" came to mean anyone abiding by the Mosaic Covenant, regardless of tribal affiliation. There were people of living in Israel at the time of Christ who were not of the "House of Judah." The entire theory about the two houses is totally wrong and without any foundation in the Bible whatsoever. There are no "lost tribes" of Israel hiding out somewhere because they have been absorbed by interbreeding into the general so-called "Gentile" population of the planet. Like a drop of ink in an ocean, they are now permanently gone. The genetic "ink" can not be unmixed.
Then you disagree with our Lord???

No. Do you?

Why do you not respond to the facts that I presented? There cannot be any intact remnants of the "ten tribes" hiding out amongst the Gentiles because they would breed with them, and after one or two hundred generations their genes would be so deeply mixed with the gene pool of the general population that no particular individual would be any more a "descendant" of the "ten tribes" than anyone else.

The whole concept of "ten tribes" somehow retaining their "secret identity" while interbreeding with Gentiles for over 2000 years is logically impossible. Do you understand this?

Date setting is an absolute mockery of God and the Bible. Date setters make up their own elaborate an convoluted theories and mislead people about the Bible and they are proven wrong every time. This has been going on for nearly two thousand years. So the world looks and says "LOOK AT THOSE FOOLS - it's no wonder they believe in Jesus" and we see that God is blasphemed by date-setters.
:) Yes, many see it as foolish.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Wow - that is a perfect example of your chronic abuse of Scripture. That verse is talking about the apparent "foolishness" of the the things of God that are not understood by the natural man. It is not talking about the STUPID FOOLISHNESS of persisting in the same ERROR for 2000 years!

I get the impression that you don't really care at all about the true meaning of Scripture in context. You just grab words out of context and place them in your own context to make them say something that they do not really say. Case in point, I explained why date-setting is foolishness in the sense of being stupidly and persistently wrong, and you countered with a verse that has nothing to do with that kind of foolishness. We know you are wrong because the 2000 year record of 100% Futurist error is most definitely not an example of "the things of God" that only "appear" foolish to the "natural man."

Your chronic abuse of Scripture contradicts your pious claims about learning from the "Master" and all that. If I know anything, I know the "Master" has not been teaching you to abuse the Bible the way you do. And claiming that your own private idiosyncratic interpretations come straight from God is extremely arrogant. Indeed, is it not blasphemous to attribute false statements to God?

All the best,

Richard

whirlwind

02-08-2011, 12:25 PM

No. Do you?

Why do you not respond to the facts that I presented? There cannot be any intact remnants of the "ten tribes" hiding out amongst the Gentiles because they would breed with them, and after one or two hundred generations their genes would be so deeply mixed with the gene pool of the general population that no particular individual would be any more a "descendant" of the "ten tribes" than anyone else.

All the mixing is pretty much in present time. Before the United States of America, ethnic groups stayed within ethnic groups and it is only in the last few years that races have mixed...at least to the extent now seen.

The whole concept of "ten tribes" somehow retaining their "secret identity" while interbreeding with Gentiles for over 2000 years is logically impossible. Do you understand this?

I don't see it as "secret identity," just a forgotten identity. Interestingly, Manasseh means forgetful.

Wow - that is a perfect example of your chronic abuse of Scripture. That verse is talking about the apparent "foolishness" of the the things of God that are not understood by the natural man. It is not talking about the STUPID FOOLISHNESS of persisting in the same ERROR for 2000 years!

I get the impression that you don't really care at all about the true meaning of Scripture in context. You just grab words out of context and place them in your own context to make them say something that they do not really say. Case in point, I explained why date-setting is foolishness in the sense of being stupidly and persistently wrong, and you countered with a verse that has nothing to do with that kind of foolishness. We know you are wrong because the 2000 year record of 100% Futurist error is most definitely not an example of "the things of God" that only "appear" foolish to the "natural man."

The verse I countered with held great meaning. Please read it again.

Your chronic abuse of Scripture contradicts your pious claims about learning from the "Master" and all that. If I know anything, I know the "Master" has not been teaching you to abuse the Bible the way you do. And claiming that your own private idiosyncratic interpretations come straight from God is extremely arrogant. Indeed, is it not blasphemous to attribute false statements to God?

All the best,

Richard

Try as you might...I am not offended. But, thank you for "All the best." :lol:

Matthew 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in Me.

John 16:1-3 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me.

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144

02-08-2011, 02:52 PM

Strong # 3999 πεντακις pentakis {pen-tak-ece'} multiplicative adverb from 4002;; adv AV - five times 1; 1 1) five times

Gematria 666

multiplicative adverb (http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/strongs.asp?Strongs=G3999) = 224

20191st vs. 1244th vs. Jeremiah (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?SearchBy_VerseNumber=20191) 50:24

I Have Laid a snare for thee 206
and 19
thou art also taken 201 ... נלכדת 504 five hundred four 176 O babylon 86
and 19
thou wast not aware 224thou art found 163 ... נמצאת 581 five hundred eighty one 224
and 19
also caught 107 + because 163
thou hast striven 219
against the LORD 153 = 1472 -5315

In the day 86 This day 86 Tishri twenty one (http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/monthly.html?year=2009&month=10&country=34) 224 = 10/09/2009 = the final sealing of Judgment (http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-339998?ref=feeds%252Flatest)

the nobel peace prize for (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html) 224

Genesis fourteen - eight 231 Revelation six - two 231

October ninth two thousand nine 345

345th vs. Genesis (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?SearchBy_VerseNumber=345) 14:8 And "there went out " "the king of sodom", and "the king of gomorrah", and "the king of admah", and "the king of zeboiim ", and "the king of bela", "the same is" zoar, and "they joined battle "with them in""the vale of siddim. 1665 - 3123

white 65 horse 65 av nine = 65 / b-day obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aug_4) 65 216th day of year 6x6x6

total gematria of president's remarks @ the acceptance of the nobel peace prize (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-acceptance-nobel-peace-prize) = 23166:2

231662 / 31102 = 7.44845990611536:2

31102 x 7 = 217714

231662 - 217714 = 13948th vs. Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and "the rulers take counsel together 350" "against the LORD 153", and "against HIS Anointed 189 ", saying > 1176 <> 1972

one hundred eighty nine 224

1)Your Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses , distinguished members 223 of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, citizens of America 176, and 'citizens of the world 231 = 1403

october ninth 143 the president 143

sixteen hundred pennsylvania (http://www.bilderberg.org/gwsbones.jpg) = 322 + skull and bones (http://www.bilderberg.org/SCULLX.jpg)Joel 3:2

king of babylon 133 whitehouse 133 roadmap to peace 133 Parted My Land 133

george bush 107 1 & 2

barack hussein obama 163 > soetoro 107

One hundred sixty three 261 163 is the first number spelled out that equals 261
the united states of america 261

20601 bohemian grove (http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/bohemian-prez.jpg) = 134 <> a bow and a crown 134

the atomic bomb (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/index.htm)126

tinian island (http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB162/index.htm) 126

The grove is particularly famous for a Manhattan Project planning meeting that took place there in September 1942, which subsequently led to the atomic bomb. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_grove)

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 03:18 PM

Why do you not respond to the facts that I presented? There cannot be any intact remnants of the "ten tribes" hiding out amongst the Gentiles because they would breed with them, and after one or two hundred generations their genes would be so deeply mixed with the gene pool of the general population that no particular individual would be any more a "descendant" of the "ten tribes" than anyone else.
All the mixing is pretty much in present time. Before the United States of America, ethnic groups stayed within ethnic groups and it is only in the last few years that races have mixed...at least to the extent now seen.

That is totally false. It is absurdly false. The ten tribes known as the "house of Israel" were driven out of the promised land in the 8th century BC. That's about 2700 years ago!

Is there any record of any of those tribes existing as identifiable groups that avoided interbreeding with Gentiles? No. And even the "Jews" who have kept pretty tight breeding groups after being evicted from Israel in 70 AD have largely intermixed with Gentiles. This is easily proven by DNA.

These are elementary facts that destroy the "two house" doctrine and the idea that the ten tribes have retained their genetic identity after 2700 years of intermixing. I have posted the evidence in another thread a couple years ago. I find it and show it to you when I get back from my afternoon walk with Rose.

The whole concept of "ten tribes" somehow retaining their "secret identity" while interbreeding with Gentiles for over 2000 years is logically impossible. Do you understand this?
I don't see it as "secret identity," just a forgotten identity. Interestingly, Manasseh means forgetful.

Right ... so let's think about this. An Israelite from the tribe of Asher, say, breeds with a Gentile woman. Their kids are half-Asher. Then their kids breed with a Gentile and the grand-kids are 1/4 Asher and 3/4 Gentile. After a hundred generations, nearly every "Gentile" can now trace their ancestry to that one person. That's how population dynamics works. We are all cousins. As soon as the DNA gets into the interbreeding communities, it quickly diffuses throughout the whole world. I'll show you the technical scientific articles when I get back from my walk.

The verse I countered with held great meaning. Please read it again.

Of course the verse has great meaning. It speaks of the things that the Spirit reveals to believers, that look like foolishness to non-believers. It has absolutely nothing to do with the foolish errors of date-setting.

Your chronic abuse of Scripture contradicts your pious claims about learning from the "Master" and all that. If I know anything, I know the "Master" has not been teaching you to abuse the Bible the way you do. And claiming that your own private idiosyncratic interpretations come straight from God is extremely arrogant. Indeed, is it not blasphemous to attribute false statements to God?

All the best,

Richard
Try as you might...I am not offended. But, thank you for "All the best." :lol:

Matthew 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in Me.

John 16:1-3 These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me.

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I'm NOT trying to offend. But the truth is offensive in this case because you are in the habit of denying truth, and claiming that your wild interpretations of the Bible are not "interpretations" at all but rather "what the Bible says." That is a fundamental delusion. And it is extremely arrogant for you to assert that your own fallible ideas are really "just what the Bible says."

I am truly and sincerely trying to help. I really do want what is best for you. And in my estimation, the most important thing for you to know is that you are under the delusion that you do not "interpret" the Bible.

Well, gotta go!

Chat more when we get back.

All the best, my friend!

Richard

144

02-08-2011, 03:40 PM

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 05:38 PM

According to Flavius Josephus (http://jewsandjoes.com/who-was-flavius-josephus.html): "...the entire body of the people of Israel remained in that country; wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers." -Antiquities of the Jews (Book XI Chapter 5 Section 2) (http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-11.htm)

Genesis 48:19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

Melo ha goyim fulness of the gentiles

THE GRAFTING OF THE SEED OF ABRAHAM (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap12.htm)

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Bereishit 12:3
"And in thee shall all families of the earth nivrecu [will be grafted or intermingled]."

Ve nivrecu bekah kol mishpachot ha-adamah."

In the Orthodox Jewish ArtScroll Tenakh Series, Volume 1, page 432, it is written:

There is … an opinion shared by Rashbam [to Genesis 28:14], Chizkuni, Da’as Zekeinum, and quoted by Tur that the verb (ve nivrecu) in Genesis 12:3 is related to the root barak as in the Mishnaic term mavreek meaning to "intermingle or graft." [cf Kelaim 7:1, Sotah 43a.] As Heidenheim explains it, this interpretation is inspired by the fact that nowhere else besides here do we find barak in the sense of blessing in the niphal conjugation, while in the sense of "grafting" it is common in that form.

Orthodox Jew Yair Davidy / four videos on this page

Proves the Lost Tribes of Israel are fulfilling their heritage as prophesied mainly in western nations, biblically and historically (http://www.britam.org/)

Jeremiah 50:4 In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.

41 % of all the people who identify as Judah, live in the usa

41% of all the people who identify as Yehudah live in Yisra'EL (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3827546,00.html)

usa 41
Hey there 144,

Great post! Thanks. You presented a lot of info.

Re Josephus: It doesn't look like he really knew where the tribes were, or if they even existed. If they were "beyond the Euphrates" why are they invisible in all history? It seems most likely that he was just passing on a wishful tradition that imagined they still existed "somewhere over the rainbow" or in this case, "beyond the Euphrates." That quote from Josephus would not convince anyone not already convinced.

Re nivrecu: I would have to do more research to confirm the connection with the idea of "mingling" but even if Chumney is correct, it is not a proof of anything because you cannot create or confirm new doctrines by playing with puns on the words of Scripture. Otherwise folks can make up any doctrine they want from the limitless ocean of possible puns. At best they might exemplify the doctrines established by the plain meaning. In this case, we know the primary meaning is "blessed" because that's how it was translated in the New Testament.

Re Videos from the BritAm site: I'm not sure it's worth my time to refute them since the whole doctrine of British Israelitism is totally bogus.

All the best,

Richard

144

02-08-2011, 05:52 PM

Brit Covenant Am People - Covenant People

Yair Davidy, he is an orthodox Jew not a british Israelite/ oy vey

Note that when Josephus mentioned "Asia", he was referring to Asia Minor or modern-day Turkey. In general, he made a semi-veiled reference to the Ten Tribes of Israel being located in Parthian territory (http://jewsandjoes.com/where-were-the-ten-tribes-of-israel-in-the-1st-century-ce.html), Rome's arch rival across the Euphrates River, the de facto border between the two empires. He did not need to say "Parthia". Everyone during his time knew what he was referring to in the same way people living in California today would not need a description of what is "east of the Mississippi River" or what is "south of the Rio Grande". Yet, for those who understand the extreme fluidity of the Middle East and Central Asia, it begs the question: "Who are the Parthians today?" ...or rather: "Where did the descendants of Parthia and related Saka-Scythian peoples go in later centuries?"

Because of numerous circumstances that led up to and followed the collapse of the Parthian Empire in the 3rd Century CE, we believe most of the evidence indicates some of their descendant population remained in Asia, but much of it (and closely related groups surrounding Parthia) expanded into Europe and deeper into India during the time period known as the Great Migration. For more evidence, see: Israelite Haplogroup (DNA) Hypotheses (http://jewsandjoes.com/where-were-the-ten-tribes-of-israel-in-the-1st-century-ce.html)

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 06:35 PM

Note that when Josephus mentioned "Asia", he was referring to Asia Minor or modern-day Turkey. In general, he made a semi-veiled reference to the Ten Tribes of Israel being located in Parthian territory (http://jewsandjoes.com/where-were-the-ten-tribes-of-israel-in-the-1st-century-ce.html), Rome's arch rival across the Euphrates River, the de facto border between the two empires. He did not need to say "Parthia". Everyone during his time knew what he was referring to in the same way people living in California today would not need a description of what is "east of the Mississippi River" or what is "south of the Rio Grande". Yet, for those who understand the extreme fluidity of the Middle East and Central Asia, it begs the question: "Who are the Parthians today?" ...or rather: "Where did the descendants of Parthia and related Saka-Scythian peoples go in later centuries?"

Because of numerous circumstances that led up to and followed the collapse of the Parthian Empire in the 3rd Century CE, we believe most of the evidence indicates some of their descendant population remained in Asia, but much of it (and closely related groups surrounding Parthia) expanded into Europe and deeper into India during the time period known as the Great Migration. For more evidence, see: Israelite Haplogroup (DNA) Hypotheses (http://jewsandjoes.com/where-were-the-ten-tribes-of-israel-in-the-1st-century-ce.html)
I don't see how any of this matters. The fact remains that the ten lost tribes have not retained any identity so they can not prevent interbreeding with Gentiles, and after more than 2000 years of such interbreeding, there is nothing left to identify. Their DNA is part of the Gentile DNA. Remember, we are all cousins. Folks who believe that the ten tribes are somehow mixed in anonymously amongst the Gentiles just don't understand population dynamics. For example (source (http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/misc/ancestors.shtml)):
One very interesting probability model created by a demographer for genealogists, is that a child born in 1947 in Englad tracing back to 1492 would have 60,000 ancestors. Going back further to 1215, this child would find that 80% of the entire population of England at that time would be on his/her family tree! So anyone living in present-day England who traces his/her lineage back through English history would theoretically be related. This is why genealogists find so many people searching for the same families in the 1600s and earlier, and why we find so many "cousins" out there in our search. I've found hundreds of cousins in the last year while searching via the Internet.
That conclusion is based on only 800 years. The ten tribes have been intermingling with Gentiles for at least 2000 years. They are now completely blended into the Gentile gene pool. They do not exist any more.

And here is the clincher. There have been plenty from the House of Judah that also introduced their genes into the general population thousands of years ago, so almost everyone on the planet can trace their heritage back to both "houses" and we see that the whole "two house" theory is absurd and contrary to the facts.

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 06:42 PM

Here is something I posted (http://biblewheel.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23696&postcount=19) on this topic last summer.

Here's an article (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/09/040930122428.htm) from ScienceDaily that explains how a scientist has concluded that everyone currently living - that's all of us - are descended from the "identical ancestors" who lived only 2000 years ago:
While we may not all be 'brothers,' the models suggest we are all hundredth cousins or so," said Joseph T. Chang, professor in the Department of Statistics at Yale University and senior author on the paper.

Chang established the basis of this research in a previous publication with an intentionally simplified model that ignored such complexities as geography and migration. Those precise mathematical results showed that in a world obeying the simplified assumptions, the most recent common ancestor would have lived less than 1,000 years ago. He also introduced the "identical ancestors point," the most recent time -- less than 2,000 years ago in the simplified model -- when each person was an ancestor to all or ancestor to none of the people alive today.

The current paper presents more realistic mathematical and computer models. It incorporates factors such as socially driven mating, physical barriers of geography and migration, and recorded historical events. Although such complexities make pure mathematical analysis difficult, it was possible to integrate them into an elaborate computer simulation model. The computer repeatedly simulated history under varying assumptions, tracking the lives, movements, and reproduction of all people who lived within the last 20,000 years.

These more realistic models estimate that the most recent common ancestor of mankind lived as recently as about 3,000 years ago, and the identical ancestors point was as recent as several thousand years ago. The paper suggests, "No matter the languages we speak or the color of our skin, we share ancestors who planted rice on the banks of the Yangtze, who first domesticated horses on the steppes of the Ukraine, who hunted giant sloths in the forests of North and South America, and who labored to build the Great Pyramid of Khufu."
This means that every person living is a physical descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob!

This is easy to understand. Basically, population dynamics is like a drop of ink in water. It doesn't take long until it is diffused throughout the whole.

This absolutely destroys the dispensational theory based on the carnal bloodline of Abraham. I would be delighted if anyone would like to attempt to challenge this conclusion.

All the very best,

Richard

144

02-08-2011, 07:13 PM

The Promises that GOD made are unconditional, we can believe Him

Because

He swore by Himself to do it.

To Abraham

Genesis 13:16 "I will make your descendants as the dust of the earth, so that if anyone can number the dust of the earth, then your descendants can also be numbered."

Genesis 15:5 "And He took him outside and said, "Now look toward the heavens, and count the stars, if you are able to count them " And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."

Genesis 17:4 "As for me, behold, my covenant is with you. You will be the father of a multitude of nations."

Genesis 17:5 "Neither will your name any more be called Abram, but your name will be Abraham; for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations."

Genesis 17:6 "I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you. Kings will come out of you."

To Isaac

Genesis 17:19 "And Elohim said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shall call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him."

Genesis 21:12 "And Elohim said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called."

Genesis 22:17 "That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"

Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice."

Genesis 24:60 "And they blessed Rebecca, and said to her, "Let our sister become the mother of thousands of ten thousands, and let your seed possess the gates of those who hate them."

Genesis 26:3 "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;"

Genesis 26:4 "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"

Genesis 26:24 "And appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the Elohim of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake."

Genesis 32:12 "For You said, 'I shall certainly do good to you, and shall make your seed as the sand of the sea, which are too numerous to count.

Jacob

Genesis 28:14 "And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed."

Genesis 35:11-12 "And Elohim said unto him, I am El Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land."

Genesis 48:3-4 "And Jacob said unto Joseph, El Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me, And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession."

Exodus 32:13 "Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, 'I increase your seed like the stars of the heavens. And all this land that I have spoken of I give to your seed, and they shall inherit it forever.'"

Deuteronomy 28:64 " will scatter you among all peoples, from the one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth; and there you shall serve other elohims, which you have not known, you nor your fathers, even wood and stone."

Leviticus 26:33 "'And I shall scatter you among the gentiles and draw out a sword after you. And your land shall be desert and your cities ruins,"

Psalms 106:27 "And to make their seed fall among the gentiles, And to scatter them in the lands."

1Kings 14:15 "And Elohim shall strike Israel as a reed is shaken in the water: and he shall root up Israel out of this good land, which he gave to their fathers, and shall scatter them beyond the river: because they have made to themselves groves, to provoke ."

Isaiah 26:15 "Thou hast increased the nation, O , thou hast increased the nation; thou art esteemed: thou hadst removed it far to all the ends of the earth."

Isaiah 54:3 "For you shall break forth to the right and to the left, and your seed inherit the nations, and make the deserted cities inhabited."

Isaiah 61:9 "And their seed shall be known among the gentiles, and their offspring in the midst of the peoples. All who see them shall acknowledge them, that they are the seed has blessed."

Jeremiah 13:24 "And I will scatter them as stubble, which is carried away by the wind in the desert."

Jeremiah 15:7 "And I will scatter them with a fan in the gates of the land: I have killed and destroyed my people, and yet they are not returned from their ways."

Jeremiah 23:8 "...but, 'As lives who brought up and led the seed of the house of Israel out of the land of the north and from all the lands where I had driven them.' And they shall dwell on their own soil."

Jeremiah 30:10 "'And you, do not fear, O Jacob My servant,' declares , 'nor be discouraged, O Israel. For look, I am saving you from afar, and your seed from the land of their captivity. And Jacob shall return, and have rest and be at ease, with no one to trouble him."

Jeremiah 31:27 "Behold the days come, says : and I will sow the House of Israel and the House of Judah with the seed of men, and with the seed of beasts."

Jeremiah 31:28 "And as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to throw down, and to scatter and destroy, and afflict: so will I watch over them, to build up, and to plant them, says ."

Ezekiel 5:10 "Therefore the fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers: and I will execute judgments in thee, and I will scatter thy whole remnant into every wind."

Ezekiel 22:15 "And I will disperse thee in the nations, and will scatter thee among the countries, and I will put an end to thy uncleanness in thee."

Nehemiah 1:8 "Remember the word that thou commanded to Moses thy servant, saying: If you shall transgress, I will scatter you abroad among the nations:"

To Joseph

Genesis 32:12 "For You said, 'I shall certainly do good to you, and shall make your seed as the sand of the sea, which are too numerous to count.'" [context points to Joseph]

Genesis 37:8 "And his brothers said to him, "Shall you indeed reign over us? Shall you indeed rule over us?" So they hated him even more for his dreams and for his words."

Genesis 48:4 "And said to me, Behold I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people; and will give this land to thy seed after thee, for an everlasting possession."

Genesis 49:22 "Joseph is an offshoot of a fruit-bearing tree, an offshoot of a fruit-bearing tree by a fountain, his branches run over a wall."

Genesis 49:23 "And the archers have bitterly grieved him, shot at him and hated him."

Genesis 49:24 "But his bow remained in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob - from there is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel -"

Genesis 49:25 "from the El of your father who helps you, and by the Almighty who blesses you with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lies beneath, blessings of the breasts and of the womb."

Genesis 49:26 "The blessings of your father have excelled the blessings of my ancestors, up to the limit of the everlasting hills. They are on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him who was separated from his brothers."

Deuteronomy 33:13 "And of Joseph he said, "Blessed of is his land, with the choicest from the heavens, with the dew, and the deep lying beneath,"

Deuteronomy 33:14 "with the choice fruits of the sun, with the choice yield of the months,"

Deuteronomy 33:15 "with the finest of the ancient mountains, with the choicest of the everlasting hills,"

Deuteronomy 33:16 "with the precious things of the earth and the fullness thereof, and the good pleasure of Him who dwelt in the bush. Let it come on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him who was separate from his brothers."

Deuteronomy 33:17 "His splendor is like a first-born bull, and his horns are like the horns of the wild ox. With them he pushes the peoples to the ends of the earth. And they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh."

Isaiah 54:3 "For you shall break forth to the right and to the left, and your seed inherit the nations, and make the deserted cities inhabited."

To Ephraim

Genesis 48:19 "And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations."

Jeremiah 7:15 "And I shall cast you out of My presence, as I have cast out all your brothers, all the seed of Ephraim."

Isaiah 7:8 "...and within threescore and five years, Ephraim shall cease to be a people:"

Hosea 1:10 "Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which is not measured nor counted. And it shall be in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not My people,' they shall be called, 'You are the sons of the living El.'" [context points to Ephraim]

Hosea 2:23 "And I shall sow her for Myself in the earth, and I shall have compassion on her who had not obtained compassion. And I shall say to those who were not My people, 'You are My people,' while they say, 'My Elohim!'" [context points to Ephraim]

Isaiah 5:13 "Therefore my people have gone into exile, because they have no knowledge. And their esteemed men are starved, and their crowd dried up with thirst."

Isaiah 5:26 "And He shall lift up a banner to the nations from afar, and shall whistle to them from the end of the earth. And see, they come with speed, swiftly!"

Isaiah 11:12 "And He shall raise a banner for the nations, and gather the outcasts of Israel and assemble the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Isaiah 11:13 "And the envy of Ephraim shall turn aside, and the adversaries of Judah be cut off. Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah not trouble Ephraim."

Isaiah 49:20 "The children of whom you were bereaved will yet say in your ears, 'The place is too cramped for me; Make room for me that I may live here." [context point to Latter Day return]

Ezekiel 37:9 "He then said to me, "Prophesy to the spirit, prophesy, son of man, and you shall say to the spirit, 'Thus said the Master , "Come from the four winds, O spirit, and breathe on these slain, so that they live." ' "

Ezekiel 37:10 "And I prophesied as He commanded me, and the spirit came into them, and they lived, and stood upon their feet, a very great army."

Ezekiel 37:11 "And He said to me, "Son of man, these bones are all the House of Israel. See, they say, 'Our bones are dry, our expectancy has perished, and we ourselves have been cut off!'"

Ezekiel 37:12 "Therefore prophesy, and you shall say to them, 'Thus said the Master , "See, O My people, I am opening your graves, and shall bring you up from your graves, and shall bring you into the land of Israel."

Ezekiel 37:13 "And you shall know that I am , when I open your graves, O My people, and bring you up from your graves."

Ezekiel 37:14 "And I shall put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I shall settle you in your own land. And you shall know that I have spoken, and I have done it," declares .'"

Ezekiel 37:15 "And the word of came to me, saying,"

Ezekiel 37:16 "And you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it, 'For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.' Then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the House of Israel, his companions.'"

Ezekiel 37:17 "Then bring them together for yourself into one stick, and they shall become one in your hand."

Ezekiel 37:18 "And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, 'Won't you show us what you mean by these?'"

Ezekiel 37:19 "say to them, 'Thus said the Master , "See, I am taking the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions. And I shall give them unto him, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick," and they shall be one in My hand." '"

Ezekiel 37:20 "And the sticks on which you write shall be in your hand before their eyes."

Ezekiel 37:21 "And speak to them, 'Thus said the Master , "See, I am taking the children of Israel from among the gentiles, wherever they have gone, and shall gather them from all around, and I shall bring them into their land."

Ezekiel 37:22 "And I shall make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. And one sovereign shall be sovereign over them all, and let them no longer be two nations, and let them no longer be divided into two reigns."

Ezekiel 37:23 "And they shall no longer defile themselves with their idols, nor with their disgusting matters, nor with any of their transgressions. And I shall save them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and I shall cleanse them. And they shall be My people, and I be their Elohim,"

Ezekiel 37:24 "while David My servant is sovereign over them. And they shall all have one shepherd and walk in My right-rulings and guard My laws, and shall do them."

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Richard would like you to believe an article from ScienceDaily based on a model by a Yale Statistics Joseph T. Chang/ happens that Skull and Bones is a Yale club also 322 order of death

Joseph T ching $

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 07:39 PM

The Promises that GOD made are unconditional, we can believe Him

Dude ... your long list of uninterpreted Scriptures is meaningless. The words must be read and understood in light of the whole Bible. It appears that you reject the many Scriptures that show how the promises and prophecies were fulfilled in the Church, which originated in the faithful remnant of Israel. For example, Christians are called "The Circumcision" and "The Seed of Abraham" and all unbelievers who happen to be carnal descendants of Abraham are called "Children of the Flesh" who are NOT the "Children of God."

How long have you been studying Scripture? Why would you think that your list of uninterpreted verses would prove anything to anyone?

Richard would like you to believe an article from ScienceDaily based on a model by a Yale Statistics Joseph T. Chang/ happens that Skull and Bones is a Yale club also 322 order of death

Joseph T ching $
Your style of "reasoning" is illogical and fallacious. The truth or falsehood of the article is not determined by the name of the author, the school he attended, or any non sequitur associations you derive from English Gematria.

Richard Amiel McGough

02-08-2011, 10:47 PM

I'm listening to Yair Davidiy's video called "The Ten Tribes in the West Overview.

He begins by asserting that the Ten Tribes would be found in the western nations, and then immediately contradicts himself by claiming that the Bible says the Ten Tribes "would be found in the ends of the earth" which includes places like Australia, New Zealand, America, the British Isles, Scandinavia and South Africa. By his standards, the "ends of the earth" would also include China, Japan, and Hawaii and every other place on the planet outside of Israel. So right off the bat, he appears to be a raving nut case babbling gibberish. And he is practically screaming into the camera.

And then he contradicts himself again saying that the lost tribes "must" be found in "the best places of the earth" as if that is supposed to mean anything, let alone prove anything. In his system the "ends of the earth" include the entire globe outside of Israel, so he is not making any sense at all.

Next he says they will be found in the "north and the west" of Israel! HA! Now I'm convinced he a certified nut-job! First he says there everywhere on the planet, then he says they are in the "salubrious" regions, and then he says the will be to the "north" and to the "west." And he's yelling the whole time. Why should anyone believe him?

And then he reveals his total insanity when he says that "the lost tribes would be known as a lion and unicorn." Say what? There ain't no such animal as a "unicorn." That word only appears in the Bible because of a really stupid translation of "r'em." So he sees the Lion and Unicorn on the royal coat of arms and makes up this meaningless crap? And you believe him?

And this is what I saw in only the first five minutes of his introductory video. I don't see any reason to continue watching. If you want to present his "best" evidence, I would be happy to refute it for you. You really need to clear your mind. Your head is filled with trash. English Gematria. Futurism. Date Setting. BritAm and the Ten Lost Tribes. It's all garbage.

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Richard

whirlwind

02-09-2011, 08:36 AM

That is totally false. It is absurdly false. The ten tribes known as the "house of Israel" were driven out of the promised land in the 8th century BC. That's about 2700 years ago!

Is there any record of any of those tribes existing as identifiable groups that avoided interbreeding with Gentiles? No. And even the "Jews" who have kept pretty tight breeding groups after being evicted from Israel in 70 AD have largely intermixed with Gentiles. This is easily proven by DNA.

These are elementary facts that destroy the "two house" doctrine and the idea that the ten tribes have retained their genetic identity after 2700 years of intermixing. I have posted the evidence in another thread a couple years ago. I find it and show it to you when I get back from my afternoon walk with Rose.

The Words of our Father in [Ezekiel 37] dispute your words. Also, the Words of our Saviour [Matthew 15:24] dispute your words.

Right ... so let's think about this. An Israelite from the tribe of Asher, say, breeds with a Gentile woman. Their kids are half-Asher. Then their kids breed with a Gentile and the grand-kids are 1/4 Asher and 3/4 Gentile. After a hundred generations, nearly every "Gentile" can now trace their ancestry to that one person. That's how population dynamics works. We are all cousins. As soon as the DNA gets into the interbreeding communities, it quickly diffuses throughout the whole world. I'll show you the technical scientific articles when I get back from my walk.

The words of Richard....OR.....the Words of our Lord? The valley of decision entraps many for it is the valley of the shadow of death.

Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

Of course the verse has great meaning. It speaks of the things that the Spirit reveals to believers, that look like foolishness to non-believers. It has absolutely nothing to do with the foolish errors of date-setting.

No...it has "absolutely nothing to do with" non-believers. Who does Satan want? Who does he go to war with? Who does he deceive?

CHRISTIANS - BELIEVERS

The "spiritually discerned" are misled believers. They follow their thoughts, their heart, man's words and not those of the Lord. They have not yet crucified their "old man." Consequently they don't see and hear what the Spirit teaches.

I'm NOT trying to offend.

You don't offend me. Your words are offensive but I don't pay attention. They are your choice to use or not use.

But the truth is offensive in this case because you are in the habit of denying truth, and claiming that your wild interpretations of the Bible are not "interpretations" at all but rather "what the Bible says." That is a fundamental delusion. And it is extremely arrogant for you to assert that your own fallible ideas are really "just what the Bible says."

I am truly and sincerely trying to help. I really do want what is best for you. And in my estimation, the most important thing for you to know is that you are under the delusion that you do not "interpret" the Bible.

Well, gotta go!

Chat more when we get back.

All the best, my friend!

Richard

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144

02-09-2011, 08:44 AM

Richard Amiel McGough

02-09-2011, 09:40 AM

The Words of our Father in [Ezekiel 37] dispute your words. Also, the Words of our Saviour [Matthew 15:24] dispute your words.

Dude,

Might I suggest you stop blaspheming God by claiming that your own private interpretations are really "The Words of our Father"? You have no right to make such claims. You are a weak and fallible human being just like the rest of us. Your fallible interpretations are not equivalent to the perfect Word of God. You have your interpretations and I have mine. To claim that your interpretations are exalted above every contrary interpretation in the entire "mount of the congregation" is a satanic kind of arrogance (Isa 14:14).

Your tactic is particularly pathetic because it lacks any logic or evidence! You did not refute, or even admit, any of the solid scientific facts I presented. I claimed no "authority" of any kind for "my words." The facts have nothing to do with me, they were discovered by scientists. I simply stated provable facts, and you ignored the evidence yet again, because you can not deal with truth or reality. So you wrap your private interpretations in the cloak of Divine Authority by falsely claiming that your words are the "Words of our Father". That's not right!

The words of Richard....OR.....the Words of our Lord? The valley of decision entraps many for it is the valley of the shadow of death.
Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Again, you ignore the evidence and try to mislead by saying it's just "my word" vs. the "Words of our Lord." And again, that's just not right!

Richard Amiel McGough

02-09-2011, 09:43 AM

ASTEROID IMPACT = 153

Where do we find the famous number 153 in the text of a verse in bible?
Yes of course > John 21:11

Now notice when you count John 21:11 as verse number 1
then there are a total of 15 verses remaining in the book of John.
Now go to the book of Revelation (also by John) and count the verses
to Revelation 8:8 and you discover its the 138th verse of the book of Revelation.

Look ! > 15 + 138 = 153

ASTEROID IMPACT = 153
Revelation 8:8

And the verse says:

"The the Second Angel Sounded:
And something like a great mountain burning was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea
became blood."

symmetry 138
Hey there 144,

Is there any information in your post? I mean, are you saying those numbers and words mean anything?

If yes, please state in plain English what they are supposed to mean.

If no, then please explain why you posted meaningless gibberish on my forum.

Thanks!

Richard

whirlwind

02-09-2011, 12:03 PM

Dude,

Might I suggest you stop blaspheming God by claiming that your own private interpretations are really "The Words of our Father"? You have no right to make such claims. You are a weak and fallible human being just like the rest of us. Your fallible interpretations are not equivalent to the perfect Word of God. You have your interpretations and I have mine. To claim that your interpretations are exalted above every contrary interpretation in the entire "mount of the congregation" is a satanic kind of arrogance (Isa 14:14).

Are not the "words of our Father" the words written in the two quoted passages? Did you see any interpretation given? Did you see any words of Whirlwind? I wrote...."The Words of our Father in [Ezekiel 37] dispute your words. Also, the Words of our Saviour [Matthew 15:24] dispute your words."

May I ask where I was at all arrogant, where I gave any interpretation of anything at all? I also ask....did you bother to read His Words? You will find that I don't ever say my words are the Words of the Lord.

Your tactic is particularly pathetic because it lacks any logic or evidence! You did not refute, or even admit, any of the solid scientific facts I presented. I claimed no "authority" of any kind for "my words." The facts have nothing to do with me, they were discovered by scientists. I simply stated provable facts, and you ignored the evidence yet again, because you can not deal with truth or reality. So you wrap your private interpretations in the cloak of Divine Authority by falsely claiming that your words are the "Words of our Father". That's not right!

I will again say....the words of Richard (or a scientist) cannot be compared to....the Words of the Lord. The two passages I quoted will show you the error of your thinking.

Again, you ignore the evidence and try to mislead by saying it's just "my word" vs. the "Words of our Lord." And again, that's just not right!

I accept His Word in all things...that is the only way.

.

Rose

02-09-2011, 02:41 PM

I accept His Word in all things...that is the only way.

.

Which interpretation of His Words do you accept? :confused:

Rose

144

02-09-2011, 03:50 PM

Ten Commandments

And when He had finished speaking with him upon Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God.
Exodus 31:18

When God spoke and then wrote the ten commandments with His own finger on tablets of stone, man received the first Scripture. Moses then continued to write God’s instructions and we had the beginning of the Torah and the Bible. One could argue that the first words of the Bible are not 'In the beginning…' but, 'I am the Lord your God…'

The Ten Commandments are given to us in two separate passages. The first is Exodus 20 where Moses gives us the chronology of the journey to Mount Sinai, but in Deuteronomy 5 Moses repeats the words teaching us some additional profound things about how the commandments were given.

In general, Christians recognize the Ten Commandments but are confused as to what the actual ten commandments are. Most Christian renditions begin with the second of the ten instead of the first commandment. Jews and Messianics may agree on what the ten are but do not necessarily agree on the standards or conditions of the commandments themselves, such as the observance of Sabbath, which is subject to much debate.

Torah teachers will tell you that when Scripture repeats itself, such as Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, something very profound is being presented. There are no more profound Scriptures in the Torah than the Ten Commandments because Israel heard God speak these words directly to their ears at Mount Sinai.

It is essential as Messianic believers that our spiritual and Scriptural instruction be based on a clear understanding of the very first Scripture ever written, in this case written by God Himself, given to Moses, then given to us. Keeping the commandments of God is central to our loving God—the greatest of all the commandments.

And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.
Deuteronomy 6:5

We don’t keep God’s commandments to be saved; we keep His commandments because we love Him. As a result, God pours out His blessings upon us. If we do not keep His commandments we remain outside of His blessings (with the curses—or consequences), but, in keeping His commandments we find the path is straight and smooth with peace and His blessings. Therefore, the proper understanding of God’s commands is of paramount importance to a believer.

God wrote the first Scripture on two tablets of stone. This seems to indicate that the Ten Commandments have a natural division to them. Upon simple examination of the ten there is a natural division. The first five commandments have to do with a man’s relationship with God while the final five have to do with man’s relationship with other people. There is still another intriguing element to the writing of the Ten Commandments on the two tablets—they were written on both sides. There were two tablets but four panels visible.

Then Moses turned and went down from the mountain with the two tablets of the testimony in his hand, tablets which were written on both sides; they were written on one side and the other. And the tablets were God's work, and the writing was God's writing engraved on the tablets.
Exodus 32:15-16

The natural question posed by this description is 'How did that appear?' Did a tablet have the five commandments written front and back? Did you flip the tablet to continue reading the commandments before going to the other tablet, or, did you read both tablets and then flip them both to read the remaining words?

The sages of Israel approach these questions and how the two tablets were written on both sides by remembering the expression 'And the tablets were God's work, and the writing was God's writing engraved on the tablets'. They believe that the commandments were read from one side, that the engraving of God cut completely through the stone causing the writing to be visible from both sides. The cover of this issue of YAVOH-He is Coming attempts to illustrate this feature.

God’s presentation of the Ten Commandments on the two tablets is compelling but the substance of the commandments has stood the test of time and serves as the basis of law for all civilized peoples. Let us examine the Ten Commandments and discern God’s intent and objective in giving them to us.

Command Number One

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
Exodus 20:2

At first, these words do not seem to be a commandment at all. They are not written in the imperative mood as if requiring anything of us. Instead, these words are written in the indicative mood stating historical facts. In fact, most believers regard these words as more of a preamble for the commandments that follow. Today’s believers don’t see themselves as having left Egypt or being released from slavery. They regard these words as directed at the children of Israel that came out of Egypt a long time ago. Some even go so far as to deny the authority of the commandments for our faith today, claiming that it was intended only for the children of Israel.

Examine the words a bit further. There is something truly profound about these being the first words written in Scripture. They speak of relationship rather than of an imperative command. God first states that He belongs to us. I am the Lord your God… and that we belong to Him – who brought you out. He is our God and we are His people. It is inherent, therefore, that we are bound because of this relationship to BELIEVE in Him.

The imperative command in this statement is to believe in God, the Lord our God! This commandment applies to all who would call God their God. But let’s address this a bit further—who really came out of Egypt and was redeemed from slavery?

The Apostle Paul says that all of our fathers of every believer came out of the land of Egypt.

For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and all ate the same spiritual food; and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Messiah.
I Corinthians 10:1-4

Paul was not trying to distort the history of the exodus. He was explaining how profound God’s redemption from Egypt was and that the pattern and method of God’s redemption is applicable to all believers. Moses even stresses them when he instructs every believer that you are to tell (instruct) your children that God delivered you personally from Egypt.

And it will come about when your children will say to you, 'What does this rite [Passover Seder] mean to you?' that you shall say, 'It is a Passover sacrifice to the Lord who passed over the houses of the sons of Israel in Egypt when He smote the Egyptians, but spared our homes.'
Exodus 12:26-27

Your child(ren), in turn, is to instruct his child(ren) exactly the same way. If you have ever attended a Passover Seder meal, the leader most likely has told you that you are consider yourself being 'passed over' just as the ancients were, to keep the Seder properly.

The first command of the Ten Commandments is to believe in God, the Lord your God, who redeemed you and delivered you from slavery. We need to remember that we were once slaves to sin. Believing in God is the path of God’s redemption and the forgiveness of sins. Salvation and deliverance from the slavery of sin is the testimony of every believer. Therefore, this commandment to believe in Him is appropriate and imperative for every believer. The Lord belongs to all of us, we all came out of Egypt, and we all are no longer slaves to sin. This is the testimony of every believer who keeps this commandment.

If a person is going to sin against God, no matter what else he does, he must break this first commandment in his heart before transgressing any other commandment.

Command Number Two

You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Exodus 20:3-6

Before we go further let’s make sure we all have a grasp on the obvious. There is only one God. Everything else calling itself a god is false and at best trying to imitate God. Idols are imitations and efforts to have a likeness of God. We all know that idols are nothing and that those who claim other gods deny the obvious and choose imaginations.

The first part of this commandment is to have no other god(s). We are not to have anything to do with anyone else’s god. We are not to honor, serve, or worship any other god, even to be cordial or respectful to someone else. We are not to have anything to do with a likeness of a god, even if it has wings, walks around, or swims in the sea nor MAKE anything into the likeness of God.

So if idols and other gods are nothing, why does God have a problem with other false gods and idols? The answer is given in His commandment. God says that He is jealous of the focus of your heart. Most people do not regard jealousy as a good trait. If you meet a jealous person, you most likely try to tell them not to be jealous. Jealousy will sometimes make you do strange things.

Be very careful thinking that jealousy is not a good trait for God. Jealousy is an excellent and expected trait for people in a deep and intimate relationship. Husbands and wives should be jealous of anyone getting near their relationship.

You have heard me say that God warns Israel and His believers about learning the ways of the nations, that we need to guard against those traditions and customs which would cause us to offend Him.

Thus says the Lord, Do not learn the way of the nations, and do not be terrified by the signs of the heavens although the nations are terrified by them; for the customs of the peoples are a delusion; because it is wood cut from the forest, the work of the hands of a craftsman with a cutting tool. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers so that it will not totter…
Jeremiah 10:2-5

If this description seems familiar, it is because the custom of a Christmas tree comes to mind, one of the most common idols spoken of by God. They are called asherim, or 'trees of praise.' God hates them. Men bow to them to retrieve the presents.

God’s relationship with us is more than a marriage relationship between a man and woman. God says that having an idol and another god in your life is so contrary to Him that He considers it spiritual adultery towards Him—you no longer think of Him as your primary love and cease to want to please Him. Many of us underestimate the importance of consciously loving God and showing it through our words and actions. If you decide to be unfaithful towards your wife, she will consider it to be an act of deceit and adultery towards her. God says that being unfaithful to Him by giving way to other gods will result in judgment upon you and also your children and grandchildren – to the third and fourth generations.

God says that keeping this commandment, having no other gods, having only Him is equal to loving Him and the benefit will be realized by thousands.

Let us review for a moment. There are no other real gods, they are nothing but we live in a world with other gods, all of them are made by us and others. Idolatry is failing to give to God what belongs to Him. Worse, idolatry is giving to another glory that is God’s alone. This commandment does not give us any latitude for compromise, so how do we keep this commandment?

How do we keep this commandment when our friends or family expect us to participate in their customs and festivals based on false gods? Many Christians today participate in open idolatry covered with the excuse of 'Christ.' In their minds, using 'Christ' enables them to change the unclean to clean, the profane to holy, and to make any false god become invisible or acceptable.

For the record, Yeshua the Messiah does not like other gods or being associated whatsoever with other gods. He doesn’t like Mithra’s birthday being celebrated and then covered by the excuse it is His birthday. He doesn’t like the remembrance of His death, burial, and resurrection being mixed with the Roman Sun god, 'sunrise services,' and being completely separated from the Biblical commandment of Passover. He doesn’t like anyone telling others that His forgiveness affords you the right to ignore God’s commandments. Instead, Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) re-iterated this very commandment when He said, 'If you love Me, keep My commandments.' This is what God meant when He gave this command about idolatry, 'to those who love Me and keep My commandments.' (Exodus 20:6)

Before we leave these first two commandments, we need to address something very common to our shared testimony as Messianic believers. It is called the 'watchword of our faith.' It is the traditional verbal expression when we say the Shema.

'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God, the Lord is One.'
Deuteronomy 6:4

These words also precede the greatest commandment to love the Lord our God with all of our heart, soul, and might. The Shema is a restatement of the first two commandments. We call upon ourselves and others around us to believe in our God and to recognize that He is the One and only God there is.

Sadly, some believers today think that idolatry is a sin of the ancients, that it is not an issue for spirituality today. The problem is that virtually every spiritual issue we face today is rooted in some form or fashion in idolatry, preferring something before God even though we 'believe' in Him. This commandment is still very applicable for us today.

Command Number Three

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.
Exodus 20: 7

This commandment is given in the negative form. God has prohibited us from making His name to be vain (common). But what name is He referring to? God has many names, some more formal than others. Or, is God referring to His reputation and testimony? The name of a person not only identifies the specific person but it represents the attributes and testimony of that person.

The simple answer here is all of the above. God’s specific names and His testimony are not to be made common or devalued. All leaders learn early on that the respect they require is essential to effective leadership. It is essential to maintain that respect or they will not be able to lead. God knows our hearts as well. If we don’t respect God, then we dismiss His authority to lead us.

The positive side of this commandment is 'You shall treat the name of the Lord your God as Holy.' This is exactly the point expressed later in the Torah.

So you shall keep My commandments, and do them: I am the Lord. And you shall not profane My holy name, but I will be sanctified among the sons of Israel: I am the Lord who sanctifies you, who brought you out from the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the Lord.
Leviticus 22:31-33

A strong connection is now made between keeping the commandments and profaning God’s name. Simply said, if you name the Lord your God and then do not do what He has commanded, then you have profaned (grossly devalued) and made His name vain. Vain in the dictionary means 'empty, futile, ineffectual, hollow, of no substance.'

Some have suggested that this commandment has to do with pronouncing God’s name properly. In fact, some Messianics have tried to say that the simple English words 'Lord' and 'God' somehow offend this commandment. They offer their special pronunciation for the four letter (the Hebrew letters Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey) name (YHVH or YHWH in English). Most theologians pronounce the name as Jehovah or Yahweh. Some Messianics insist on the Yahweh pronunciation and refuse to use Lord or God.

The earliest codexes (fully written Bibles in Hebrew) with the vowels inserted are presented in many different ways. Some have three syllables, some have two. It appears that the vowels were inserted to support the cantor as he sang the Scripture. I do believe there is a proper pronunciation for the Name and that it was used in the temple in Jerusalem; however, I do not believe that the commandment given is focused on the proper pronunciation of the four letter Name. This is a distraction from the real issue. I believe it is about bringing disrepute to the name of God by our actions.

Every parent knows that if a child grows up and misbehaves enough that their name suffers and results in a bad reputation. It affects more than one person. In the same manner, God has commanded us not to bring disrepute to our family name (His name). This is not hard to understand.

A good name is to be more desired than great riches, Favor is better than silver and gold.
Proverbs 22:1

Very few things are able to hurt God. Satan and demons do their best, but God considers it very harmful if we take His name as believers and then make His name vain and of no value by our words and deeds.

Command Number Four

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 20:8-11

Like the commandment of idolatry, this commandment has more explanation and instruction given than the other commandments. This is the only commandment of the ten that addresses how we are to observe our faith. Simply said, God commands us to stop work on the final day of the week and rest (a weekly sabbath). He precludes us from arranging for the work to be done by others and requires us to remember.

What are we to remember? The answer is also supplied. We are to remember how God made the heavens and the earth (all of us). The sabbath day then is to be a day of rest, a day of remembrance, and to be treated as holy (separate from the other days).

This also tells us that sabbath existed prior to the ten commandments. Are we not being told to remember something that already exists? That is correct; God established and made the sabbath at the creation, not here in Mount Sinai. This means that Adam, Noah, and the fathers (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) knew about Sabbath. The precedent was set long before the ten commandments were given at Mount Sinai.

144

02-09-2011, 03:51 PM

Interestingly, this commandment is not just about a weekly sabbath. It turns out that sabbath (this holy day of rest) is the opening to a series of other commandments of remembrance and holy days. The Lord’s appointed times (the feasts of the Lord) are all based on this commandment of keeping the sabbath. In fact, several of the appointed times are referred to as high sabbaths to be observed in conjunction with weekly sabbaths. Each one is treated holy and has specific elements of remembrance. The Feast of Unleavened Bread, for example, has a high sabbath on the first and seventh days commemorating the children of Israel walking out of Egypt, eating the bread of haste, and crossing the Red Sea. The Feast of Weeks is a High Sabbath called the Day of Proclamation remembering when God spoke the Ten Commandments. It is also the date of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, is a High Sabbath and a day of fasting, preparing for the future Day of the Lord. Treating a day as holy, separate from others, remembering the works of God, and resting from our daily routine begins with learning about the sabbath. It is the first step toward personal and community worship of God.

Some Christians have suggested that any day could be a sabbath. That is true, any day can be a day of rest, but what are you supposed to remember? And how do you make the day holy? It is not the same as this commandment says. God has specifically referred in this commandment to the pattern of His creation with Sabbath on the seventh day of the seven.

Many Christians have been taught that the sabbath was changed from the seventh day to the first day because of the resurrection of the Messiah. The Scripture says that Yeshua was resurrected on the first day after sabbath and there is nothing suggested in that testimony that would make the seventh day sabbath commandment cease. If the truth was fully known, Christian leaders should be promoting the Feast of First Fruits, which was the day the Messiah was resurrected!

Truly, historical Christianity made a conscious decision not to keep the Sabbath and to promote a Sunday sabbath to be separate from the Jews. They were well aware that God made the Sabbath to be a sign between Him and Israel.

It [the Sabbath] is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.
Exodus 31:17

The Church Fathers took it upon themselves to change the commandment of God and replace it with their own. Explanations about the resurrection day and any day can be a day of rest are excuses and vain arguments for what is a clear historical fact. The Church Fathers usurped God’s authority and annulled the commandment of the Lord.

Isn’t it curious that Yeshua took issue with the religious leaders of His day and stated that they preferred their precepts to the commandments of God, and the Church fathers did exactly the same thing. Yeshua’s warning to the spiritual leaders was ignored by the Church fathers; thus, Christians today believe church doctrine over God’s commandment. The commandment appears to be very applicable here.

Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:19

Command Number Five

Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
Exodus 20:12

The commandment is called the 'commandment with a promise.'

Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), that it may be well with you, and that you may live long on the earth.
Ephesians 6:2-3

God says that honoring your father and mother will give you a longer life and a longer stay in the Promised Land. Conversely, dishonoring your father and mother will shorten your life and get you kicked out of the land.

Some have asked why this command is associated with the commandments of God, why is it not part of the commandments having to do with our relations with other people? There is a powerful answer to this.

A person’s father and mother are the reason why a person exists at all. Only God shares this same honor. If a person dishonors the very people who brought him into the world it is a direct reflection on God, their Creator. Therefore, how we honor or dishonor our mother and father is a direct parallel to our relationship with God.

The world is full of parents who have not done a very good job parenting. Some parents have been and are abusive. It is usually is a result of their parents before them. Fathers are even specifically warned not to provoke their children to anger.

And, fathers, do not provoke your children to anger; but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.
Ephesians 6:4

Despite what your father or mother may have done, this commandment still stands. You can still honor YOUR father and mother just for the fact that they are YOUR father and mother. You are not commanded to honor them for their deeds, nor judge them as parents. Do it because your Heavenly Father asked you to do it (as a reflection of Him).

If you were fortunate to have parents who loved you and sacrificed for you, then you should wholeheartedly keep this commandment. It is a good way to say thank you.

Command Number Six

You shall not murder.
Exodus 20:13

You will notice that the word is 'murder' and not 'kill.' Let us be clear about this distinction. The right of self-defense for an individual, a group, or for a nation is not what this commandment is about. This is also not about the act of manslaughter or accidental death, such as a car accident, a work accident, or a hunting accident. The Torah gives more instruction about those matters. This commandment is about 'hating' someone so much that you take action to kill them. Murder is the ultimate expression of hatred. Hatred is defined as life so devalued that you usurp God’s authority. God decides who lives and who dies. Murder is the opposite of the second greatest commandment – love your neighbor. Murder is the most harmful thing that can be done to another person.

It is said that when a person actually murders another they killed a whole world. The person killed came from somewhere, had friends and family, had hopes and a future. Murder does harm to that world—or realm of other people. This is particularly true of the murder of one’s own self (suicide). The person who commits suicide does unspeakable harm to everyone around him. And just as murder begins with hating someone, suicide is not only an expression of hate against oneself, it is an expression of hatred against his world. Many view this as a depressive state, but the reality is that they have so devalued their own life that they take the final act of destroying themselves. The person who commits suicide does not understand the devastation and impact it will have on all their other relationships.

Whether or not you are successful in carrying out the deed of killing someone is not what constitutes murder. If you want to kill someone or yourself you have transgressed the commandment. The method of how you carry out the transgression is only mitigating evidence and the degree of the act. Most state and federal laws for murder recognize the very severest class of murder to include 'premeditation.' They also say it was with 'malice and forethought.' They call it first-degree murder.

A person transgresses the commandment against murder the moment he harbors hate for another, even before seeking a method to bring harm to the person. The choice of weapon or methodology of death only determines the degree (how much premeditation is involved) of murder. A death caused by a person who had a willful disregard for who might be hurt is called Second Degree Murder.

There is a thin line between slandering someone and transgressing the commandment of do not murder. All that is needed is hatred of the person. Words have the power to destroy a person’s life just as much as a sharp knife. Slander is at minimum a complete disregard for the life of another person or others who might be hurt.

Yeshua specifically taught about this commandment, how the heart is the primary element that transgresses and commits murder. (See Matt 5:21-22) Most believers think that they never approach transgressing this commandment. They don’t realize that murder begins with hatred or deep disdain that begins in the heart. To coin a phrase that I am sure you have heard… Guns don’t kill people; people kill people.

Command Number Seven

You shall not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:14

Adultery by the strictest definition is a when a person has sexual relations with someone outside the marriage. The commandment of God is not in the strictest form. Adultery in this commandment is any sexually immoral act. Adultery per se is just the opening foray for a host of sexual improprieties. These include, but are not limited to, incest, fornication, homosexuality, bestiality, pedophilia, etc. The reason adultery is specifically listed is that adultery is the most grievous sexually immoral act against another person. Adultery is a treacherous act done in deceit. It is the violation of a marriage vow and covenant.

Just like murder, you do not have to actually carry out the behavior to transgress this commandment. Transgression here is from the heart as well. Sexual immorality occurs when the sexual appetite is out of control. It is called lusting in the heart, and it also involves the eyes.

Sexual immorality (adultery) and idolatry are very similar. Idolatry is really spiritual adultery. Torah teachers teach that the heart and the eyes go after harlots and idols. In the ancient world, harlots worked at the temples of false gods. We are taught that faith does not come from what we see. Instead, it is from what we hear. The eyes tend to distract the heart away from God. The eyes mislead a person toward sexual immorality. Maybe this is why pornography is so extensive and pervasive in the world we live. The outward tassels (tzitzit) on a tallit are to remind us not to follow our eyes.

Adultery is also a sin that destroys lives. For those who say that fornication doesn’t hurt anyone if it is consensual, they should look beyond their own lust. As a community, sexual immorality destroys lives, homes, families, friends, futures, careers, and the ability to live with yourself. Don’t kid yourself; adultery and fornication are grievous sins. You reap what you sow. When a man enters into a sexual activity he sows his seed.

Command Number Eight

You shall not steal.
Exodus 20:15

Stealing generally comes in two forms: by extortion and by stealth. When you extort someone to give you something against his will, it is a violation of this commandment. If you sneak in unseen and take something that doesn’t belong to you, it is a violation of this commandment. It does not matter what the thing is you stole or how much of it was stolen.

In effect, a thief curses himself when he steals. The object or value stolen perpetually testifies against him. As long as the thief keeps it, the value is evidence against him. No matter how long he keeps it, it will never be his.

The Torah says that when a thief pays back what he has stolen, he must repay double (see Exodus 22:4). Clearly, crime does not pay.

Career thieves believe that people who work honestly are stupid. They mock the honest man comparing their quick act of thievery to the long hours and days of work of the honest man. The truth is that the thief is a man who hates himself and does not value himself. As a result, he does not value others or their things. The Apostle Paul offers this counsel to improve the personal thinking of a thief.

Let him who steals steal no longer; but rather let him labor, performing with his own hands what is good, in order that he may have something to share with him who has need.
Ephesians 4:28

There is another kind of stealing to which this commandment is applicable. It is called the 'breach of trust.' If two persons enter into a trust agreement, such as the keeping of a person’s property, and the property is lost or even stolen by another, then a theft has occurred. The person who kept the property is as guilty of stealing as the one who stole it.

If a man gives his neighbor money or goods to keep for him, and it is stolen from the man's house, if the thief is caught, he shall pay double. If the thief is not caught, then the owner of the house shall appear before the judges, to determine whether he laid his hands on his neighbor's property. For every breach of trust, whether it is for ox, for donkey, for sheep, for clothing, or for any lost thing about which one says, 'This is it,' the case of both parties shall come before the judges; he whom the judges condemn shall pay double to his neighbor.
Exodus 22:7-9

The next time someone asks you to store his goods or watch his bag you had better consider the matter seriously. You take the responsibility and you will be held accountable for it.

Command Number Nine

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Exodus 20:16

Bearing false witness is more commonly referred to as lying. Lying is generally the first sin of a child. It is imperative that parents teach their children not to lie or tolerate others who do. When a person lies they are destroying themselves and others affected. They either lie about themselves or they lie about others.

However, this commandment is more than outright lying. If you join in criticizing another person and spread false information about that person, misrepresenting a situation about that person, repeating a false report or accusation, such as gossiping, then you have borne false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not bear a false report; do not join your hand with a wicked man to be a malicious witness. You shall not follow a multitude in doing evil, nor shall you testify in a dispute so as to turn aside after a multitude in order to pervert justice;… Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent or the righteous, for I will not acquit the guilty.
Exodus 23:1-2,7

If a person chooses to falsely charge another person, so that the authorities investigate and charge the person, the false witness is to be punished exactly as to the charge he falsely accused. Just because he thought he was right, making the charge is no defense.

…and if the witness is a false witness and he has accused his brother falsely, then you shall do to him just as he had intended to do to his brother. Thus you shall purge the evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 19:18b-19

The punishment for lying is banishment (purge the evil). This is what generally happens when someone lies to others in the community. The liar usually leaves. This is why they say that a person who lies destroys himself.

There is still another aspect to this commandment and it is when nothing is said when it needs to be said. If you are a witness to an event and there is a dispute concerning it, you must testify to the event. Holding back and refusing to testify is equivalent to bearing false witness; in this case, failing to bring the facts out for consideration in the verdict.

Now if a person sins, after he hears a public adjuration to testify, when he is a witness, whether he has seen or otherwise known, if he does not tell it, then he will bear his guilt.
Leviticus 5:1

The Torah teaches that a single witness cannot be used to confirm an event. There must be two or three witnesses. This is part of the defense against a false witness or a witness who is in error.

A single witness shall not rise up against a man on account of any iniquity or any sin which he has committed; on the evidence of two or three witnesses a matter shall be confirmed.
Deuteronomy 19:15

Satan is called the father of lies. A liar testifies to who his father is. A person who speaks the truth testifies to who his father is as well.

Command Number Ten

You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Exodus 20:17

There is a slight difference from this commandment as given in Exodus versus that given in Deuteronomy.

You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, and you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field or his male servant or his female servant, his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Deuteronomy 5:21

The first phrase is interchanged between coveting a neighbor’s house and wife. There is a simple reason for it. A neighbor’s wife and house are the same thing. It is the wife who builds the house of a man. A man doesn’t have a house until he takes a wife.

The word 'covet' means 'want.' Want is the desire of the heart. If there is no self-control for the wants of the heart then the person is coveting and transgressing this commandment. We are not talking about wanting good things, such as goals or objectives of life, nor are we talking about dreams and plans for better things. Almost all men want good things like a wife and a house. This want motivates us to work and achieve. The sin occurs when you want something that does not belong to you nor is it proper for you to pursue.

You know you have transgressed this commandment whenever you contemplate violating one or several of the other commandments such as murder, adultery, stealing, or lying.

When Moses first brought the tablets down from the mountain, he broke them before the children of Israel because he was so grieved over their sins. Moses returned to God and God gave him a new set of the tablets. Moses provided the tablets and God wrote the commandments again with His finger.

The prophet Jeremiah said that the New Covenant would be different from the one made with Moses in the wilderness. In the New Covenant, each of us is to bring the tablets of our heart. Then God will write His commandments (all ten of them) on our tablets.

We should look inside ourselves, into our hearts, and see if these commandments are written there. Make sure that the words are written on both sides, front and back, that you are transparent and can be seen through, hiding nothing. Make sure they are the same words written in the first Scripture and look for the Messiah and the Holy Spirit to be witnesses of your heart.

Monte Judah LionLamb (http://lionlamb.net)

Richard Amiel McGough

02-09-2011, 04:23 PM

Are not the "words of our Father" the words written in the two quoted passages? Did you see any interpretation given? Did you see any words of Whirlwind? I wrote...."The Words of our Father in [Ezekiel 37] dispute your words. Also, the Words of our Saviour [Matthew 15:24] dispute your words."

You implied that you had interpreted Ezekiel 37 when you asserted that it disputes my words. It is impossible to make any assertion about a written text without interpreting it, especially if you are asserting that it contradicts a different interpretation. This is an elementary fact of reality.

May I ask where I was at all arrogant, where I gave any interpretation of anything at all? I also ask....did you bother to read His Words? You will find that I don't ever say my words are the Words of the Lord.

The fact that you claim you are not "interpreting" the Bible is an act of great arrogance. You are implicitly claiming that your opinion is the only true opinion, and that it is in fact identical with God's own truth. It is the greatest of arrogance to deny that you are a fallible human being with fallible opinions and that you could be wrong about your interpretations of the Bible. And this arrogance is amplified a thousand-fold when you willfully continue in your error after it has been clearly shown to you a dozen times. You have no excuse now.

I will again say....the words of Richard (or a scientist) cannot be compared to....the Words of the Lord. The two passages I quoted will show you the error of your thinking.

The words of Reality, whether spoken by me or some scientist, will show that your interpretation of those passages is in error. Reality can never contradict the Words of the Lord, but it frequently contradicts human interpretations.

I accept His Word in all things...that is the only way.

Oh really? Is that true? Let's see ... you deny that Christ predicted the destruction of the building known as the "Temple" when he predicted that the "buildings of the Temple" would be destroyed. So I asked if you admitted that their was a building called the "Temple" amongst the "buildings of the Temple" and you said "yes." - here's the quote:

OK - we agree that Jesus predicted the destruction of the "buildings of the Temple."

Do those buildings include the building called the Temple?

If so, does that mean that Jesus predicted the destruction of the building of the Temple?

IF not, why not?
Indeed He did. The disciples showed Him the "buildings of the temple" to which He replied..."See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

So there you go. In the midst of your whirlwind of contradictions we find that you "slipped up" and accidentally admitted that truth of what the Bible really states. You explicitly admitted that Christ predicted the destruction of the building called the Temple.

So now that we have that settled, can you answer my question? I've asked it a dozen times or more. Indeed, this is the question that caused you to deny Scripture and say that the "Temple building" was not the "Temple." So here we go again:

WHY DID JESUS PREDICT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE BUILDINGS IF THEIR DESTRUCTION IN 70 AD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PROPHECY?

Looking forward to your nice straightforward answer to this question. You know, an answer that simply "accepts His Word in all things" without twisting the meanings of words.

Good luck!

Richard

whirlwind

02-09-2011, 05:50 PM

You implied that you had interpreted Ezekiel 37 when you asserted that it disputes my words. It is impossible to make any assertion about a written text without interpreting it, especially if you are asserting that it contradicts a different interpretation. This is an elementary fact of reality.

:lol: I said those two passages disputed your words...they do. I implied nothing. I stated an elementary fact of reality. :)

The fact that you claim you are not "interpreting" the Bible is an act of great arrogance. You are implicitly claiming that your opinion is the only true opinion, and that it is in fact identical with God's own truth. It is the greatest of arrogance to deny that you are a fallible human being with fallible opinions and that you could be wrong about your interpretations of the Bible. And this arrogance is amplified a thousand-fold when you willfully continue in your error after it has been clearly shown to you a dozen times. You have no excuse now.

I never claimed any of the above. You really must take more time when reading. As I have "no excuse now," perhaps you would be so good as to provide a quote backing up your assertions?

The words of Reality, whether spoken by me or some scientist, will show that your interpretation of those passages is in error. Reality can never contradict the Words of the Lord, but it frequently contradicts human interpretations.

Richard....did I offer any type, any hint, any word of interpretation? No, I didn't so who is in error?

Oh really? Is that true? Let's see ... you deny that Christ predicted the destruction of the building known as the "Temple" when he predicted that the "buildings of the Temple" would be destroyed. So I asked if you admitted that their was a building called the "Temple" amongst the "buildings of the Temple" and you said "yes." - here's the quote:

So there you go. In the midst of your whirlwind of contradictions we find that you "slipped up" and accidentally admitted that truth of what the Bible really states. You explicitly admitted that Christ predicted the destruction of the building called the Temple.

My quote was "Indeed He did. The disciples showed Him the "buildings of the temple" to which He replied..."See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." Those are the written words which I have been repeating over and over and over. There are no contradictions.

So now that we have that settled, can you answer my question? I've asked it a dozen times or more. Indeed, this is the question that caused you to deny Scripture and say that the "Temple building" was not the "Temple." So here we go again:

The buildings of the temple are destroyed. The temple was not destroyed. The temple has never been a man-made building.

WHY DID JESUS PREDICT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE BUILDINGS IF THEIR DESTRUCTION IN 70 AD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PROPHECY?

Looking forward to your nice straightforward answer to this question. You know, an answer that simply "accepts His Word in all things" without twisting the meanings of words.

Good luck!

Richard

I quoted His Words on the subject. Do you consider them to be "twisted?"

I will answer your question of "why did Jesus predict the destruction of the temple buildings if their destruction in 70AD had nothing to do with His prophecy," by giving you His answer in a similar situation.

Luke 20:20-25 And they watched Him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of His words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor. And they asked Him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? But He perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye Me? Shew Me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And He said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.

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Richard Amiel McGough

02-09-2011, 06:28 PM

You implied that you had interpreted Ezekiel 37 when you asserted that it disputes my words. It is impossible to make any assertion about a written text without interpreting it, especially if you are asserting that it contradicts a different interpretation. This is an elementary fact of reality.
:lol: I said those two passages disputed your words...they do. I implied nothing. I stated an elementary fact of reality. :)

Dude ... mimicking my words won't make you posts any smarter.

Your claim that the text of the Bible does not need not be interpreted is outrageously ignorant and absolutely absurd. All written texts must be "interpreted" before they are understood. That's called "reading." It is the process of interpreting a written text.

When you said Ezekiel 37 "disputes" my words, you were implying that your interpretation of those words disputes my interpretation of those words.

Once again, you prove that you chose the perfect name for yourself. You are Whirlwind, Perpetual Twister of Words. I'm sorry you do not realize what a disgrace this is to God and His Word.

The fact that you claim you are not "interpreting" the Bible ... I never claimed any of the above.
Yes you did. You frequently claim that you are not "interpreting" the Bible. You know this is true.

The words of Reality, whether spoken by me or some scientist, will show that your interpretation of those passages is in error. Reality can never contradict the Words of the Lord, but it frequently contradicts human interpretations.
Richard....did I offer any type, any hint, any word of interpretation? No, I didn't so who is in error?

As explained above, all reading of the Bible involves interpretation. If you deny this, you deny reality. Simple as that.

Oh really? Is that true? Let's see ... you deny that Christ predicted the destruction of the building known as the "Temple" when he predicted that the "buildings of the Temple" would be destroyed. So I asked if you admitted that their was a building called the "Temple" amongst the "buildings of the Temple" and you said "yes." - here's the quote:

So there you go. In the midst of your whirlwind of contradictions we find that you "slipped up" and accidentally admitted that truth of what the Bible really states. You explicitly admitted that Christ predicted the destruction of the building called the Temple.

My quote was "Indeed He did. The disciples showed Him the "buildings of the temple" to which He replied..."See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." Those are the written words which I have been repeating over and over and over. There are no contradictions.

You have previously admitted that Christ predicted the destruction of the "buildings of the Temple." And you have previously admitted that those buildings included the building called the "Temple." So are you now admitting Christ predicted the destruction of the building called the Temple? If not, why not?

WHY DID JESUS PREDICT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE BUILDINGS IF THEIR DESTRUCTION IN 70 AD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PROPHECY?

Looking forward to your nice straightforward answer to this question. You know, an answer that simply "accepts His Word in all things" without twisting the meanings of words.

Good luck!

Richard

I quoted His Words on the subject. Do you consider them to be "twisted?"

The words you simply quoted from Scripture were not twisted. But your interpretation of them is totally twisted in the most perverse fashion. So perverse that we have spent hours disputing the fact that Christ predicted the destruction of the Temple! And no, I will not bother specifying that the "Temple" to which I refer was the "Temple building" because that is not necessary. The Holy Scripture speaks of the stone Temple without qualification, and your constant deliberate conflated confusion of the two Temples (spiritual vs. physical) is nothing but a blasphemous perversion of Holy Scripture and the rules of all language.

I will answer your question of "why did Jesus predict the destruction of the temple buildings if their destruction in 70AD had nothing to do with His prophecy," by giving you His answer in a similar situation.
Luke 20:20-25 And they watched Him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of His words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor. And they asked Him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? But He perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye Me? Shew Me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And He said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
That's not an answer.

Your refusal to answer my question is the TRUE ANSWER to my question. You cannot answer in simple, straight-forward, God-honoring language because your doctrines are false. You have proven this beyond the shadow of any possible doubt.

Richard

144

02-10-2011, 08:55 AM

Shalom Everyone

Restoring the Two Houses of Israel

Introduction (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_intro.htm)

Chapter 1 - Who Are the Two Houses of Israel? (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap1.htm)

Chapter 2 - Who is the Church and Who is Israel? (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap2.htm)

Chapter 3 - G-d's Power Twins: Torah & Grace (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap3.htm)

Chapter 4 - The Sabbath: Our Rest is in Messiah (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap4.htm)

Chapter 5 - The 7,000 Year Plan of G-d (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap5.htm)

Chapter 6 - Yeshua, Our Jewish Messiah (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap6.htm)

Chapter 7 - Is the Jewish Messiah G-d? (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap7.htm)

Chapter 8 - Israel: The Fig Tree Blossoms (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap8.htm)

Chapter 9 - The UN-Israel_Arab Peace Process (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap9.htm)

Chapter 10 - Jerusalem: The City of the Great King (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap10.htm)

Chapter 11 - The Judgment of the Nations (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap11.htm)

Chapter 12 - Ephraim & Judah Become One House (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_chap12.htm)

Endnotes (http://www.hebroots.com/twohouses_endnotes.htm)

144

02-10-2011, 09:19 AM

117

Prophets 117 Israelites 117 Testament 117 Pentecost 117 July eight 117

Days of Lot 117 Divide Israel 117 Ocho de julio 117 Wrath of GOD 117

Flesh and blood 117 GOD THE FATHER 117 I Have Commanded 117

133

Mysteries 133 Forty days 133 Holy nation 133 Government 133 Seven years 133

Continents 133 Overcomers 133 Transformed 133 Hidden secrets 133

Parted My Land 133 Roadmap to peace 133 House of Judah 133 king of babylon 133 whitehouse 133

All their evil 133 Remnant of GOD 133 I Will Pardon 133 Ha Shem YESHUA 133

Unleavened Bread 133 Day of THE LORD 133 We will be changed 133

The Book of The Law 133

162

True prophet 162 The Holy People 162 The House of David 162 A Time of Trouble 162

I will let it fall 162 Great slaughter 162 Burned with fire 162 Thief in the night 162
san diego california 162 The four winds 162 Day of slaughter 162

I will bring doom 162 Judgment day fire 162

Incorruptible 162

The Hebrew Language 162
Thy Kingdom come 162
The LORD our GOD 162
The Word was GOD 162
The Root of David 162

151

HOLY SPIRIT 151 JESUS CHRIST 151 JESUS IS LORD 151 JESUS IS ALIVE 151

LORD OF HOSTS 151 THE FOURTH DAY 151 LITTLE CHILDREN 151

CHRIST THE KING 151 THE LATTER RAIN 151 YESHUA HU ADONI 151

THE HOLY FATHER 151 THE HOLY ANGELS 151 JESUS SACRIFICED 151

COATS OF SKINS 151 SON OF THE LORD 151 THE GOD NUMBERS 151

ON THE THIRD DAY 151 FEAST OF BOOTHS 151 HIDDEN TREASURE 151

HE WHO WILL COME 151 THE TEMPLE OF GOD 151 SHAKE THE HEAVENS 151

THE HAND OF EPHRAIM 151 SHALL BE SATISFIED 151 REDEEMER FROM GOD 151

198

The Firstfruits 198 Lovingkindnesses 198 The Resurrection 198 The Last Trumpet 198

Blow the Trumpet 198 Worthy is The Lamb 198 HE will raise us up 198

GOD of my Salvation 198 They shall fish them 198

The Creator of Israel 198 Children of Jerusalem 198 Shall have washed away 198

Signs in the Heavens 198

It repented The LORD 198

Man became a living soul 198

Black as sackcloth of hair 198

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i am going to spend the next couple of days spreading this message on other forums and wherever led...If you are seeing His Wonder that He has given to warn His people, share it with others.

Grace and Peace in

Messiah Yeshua

whirlwind

02-10-2011, 11:25 AM

Dude ... mimicking my words won't make you posts any smarter.

:lol: Well...that's sure the truth!

Your claim that the text of the Bible does not need not be interpreted is outrageously ignorant and absolutely absurd. All written texts must be "interpreted" before they are understood. That's called "reading." It is the process of interpreting a written text.

Please quote my ignorant and absurd claim.

When you said Ezekiel 37 "disputes" my words, you were implying that your interpretation of those words disputes my interpretation of those words.

I implied nothing. You will not find any interpretation of the two passages I wrote of. Or, perhaps I should repeat....please quote the interpretation.

Once again, you prove that you chose the perfect name for yourself. You are Whirlwind, Perpetual Twister of Words. I'm sorry you do not realize what a disgrace this is to God and His Word.

Yes you did. You frequently claim that you are not "interpreting" the Bible. You know this is true.

When I claim that it is because I am quoting His Words. When His Words are quoted there is no interpretation. I never said I don't interpret the Bible or....please quote where that statement was made.

As explained above, all reading of the Bible involves interpretation. If you deny this, you deny reality. Simple as that.

You have previously admitted that Christ predicted the destruction of the "buildings of the Temple." And you have previously admitted that those buildings included the building called the "Temple." So are you now admitting Christ predicted the destruction of the building called the Temple? If not, why not?

:lol: I "admitted" it? :lol::lol::lol: You know that I have said that from the beginning. It is YOU RICHARD that finally saw the error of YOUR WAYS and YOU ADMITTED what was written. Christ spoke of the buildings of the temple being destroyed and that not one stone upon another would stand. Is it really necessary to continue to repeat that?

The words you simply quoted from Scripture were not twisted. But your interpretation of them is totally twisted in the most perverse fashion.

Please quote the perverted and twisted words.

So perverse that we have spent hours disputing the fact that Christ predicted the destruction of the Temple! And no, I will not bother specifying that the "Temple" to which I refer was the "Temple building" because that is not necessary. The Holy Scripture speaks of the stone Temple without qualification, and your constant deliberate conflated confusion of the two Temples (spiritual vs. physical) is nothing but a blasphemous perversion of Holy Scripture and the rules of all language.

I no longer expect you to see the spiritual. Not all can, not all will.

That's not an answer.

Your refusal to answer my question is the TRUE ANSWER to my question. You cannot answer in simple, straight-forward, God-honoring language because your doctrines are false. You have proven this beyond the shadow of any possible doubt.

Richard

I didn't think you would understand but...you have your answer.

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Richard Amiel McGough

02-10-2011, 02:15 PM

Dude ... mimicking my words won't make you posts any smarter.
:lol: Well...that's sure the truth!

Hey now! That's actually funny! :lol:

When you said Ezekiel 37 "disputes" my words, you were implying that your interpretation of those words disputes my interpretation of those words.
I implied nothing. You will not find any interpretation of the two passages I wrote of. Or, perhaps I should repeat....please quote the interpretation.

You would not be making that request if you understood the meaning of the word "interpretation." Unless, of course, you are being willfully deceptive again.

When I claim that it is because I am quoting His Words. When His Words are quoted there is no interpretation. I never said I don't interpret the Bible or....please quote where that statement was made.

You do not only "quote" His words. You quote them in contexts that imply an interpretation. You add highlights and comments and interpretations. If you did not do this, we would have nothing to dispute because both of us claim to accept the Word as written.

These facts are trivial. You are making yourself like a moron by constantly disputing plain facts that everyone else understands.

You are Whirlwind, Perpetual Twister of Words. You deny that you interpret the Bible, and then you deny that you deny you interpret the Bible. You appear to be UTTERLY INSANE.

As explained above, all reading of the Bible involves interpretation. If you deny this, you deny reality. Simple as that.

You have previously admitted that Christ predicted the destruction of the "buildings of the Temple." And you have previously admitted that those buildings included the building called the "Temple." So are you now admitting Christ predicted the destruction of the building called the Temple? If not, why not? :lol: I "admitted" it? :lol::lol::lol: You know that I have said that from the beginning. It is YOU RICHARD that finally saw the error of YOUR WAYS and YOU ADMITTED what was written. Christ spoke of the buildings of the temple being destroyed and that not one stone upon another would stand. Is it really necessary to continue to repeat that?

This is the fruit of your whirlwind of willful confusion. We continue to go in circles because you willfully perverted God's Word by confusing the Temple of stone with the spiritual Temple.

So now that we agree that Jesus predicted the destruction of the Temple building, you should have no trouble answering my question:

WHY DID JESUS PREDICT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE BUILDINGS OF THE TEMPLE IF THEIR DESTRUCTION IN 70 AD HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PROPHECY?

So perverse that we have spent hours disputing the fact that Christ predicted the destruction of the Temple! And no, I will not bother specifying that the "Temple" to which I refer was the "Temple building" because that is not necessary. The Holy Scripture speaks of the stone Temple without qualification, and your constant deliberate conflated confusion of the two Temples (spiritual vs. physical) is nothing but a blasphemous perversion of Holy Scripture and the rules of all language. I no longer expect you to see the spiritual. Not all can, not all will.

Again you speak falsehood. I have no trouble seeing the spiritual. I have never had any trouble seeing the spiritual. But the spiritual Temple is not the Temple made of stones which is the topic of Christ's prophecy. This is all just your whirlwind of confusion that you created to avoid answering the :eek: QUESTION OF DOOM :eek: that exposes the perversion of your private interpretation.

I will answer your question of "why did Jesus predict the destruction of the temple buildings if their destruction in 70AD had nothing to do with His prophecy," by giving you His answer in a similar situation.
Luke 20:20-25 And they watched Him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of His words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor. And they asked Him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly: Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no? But He perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye Me? Shew Me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's. And He said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
That's not an answer.

Your refusal to answer my question is the TRUE ANSWER to my question. You cannot answer in simple, straight-forward, God-honoring language because your doctrines are false. You have proven this beyond the shadow of any possible doubt.

Richard

I didn't think you would understand but...you have your answer.

Of course I did not "understand" - you presented nothing that could be understood as an "answer" to the question asked. Yet you lied again and claimed to have answered. You pervert all words - both of men and of God. To understand your "answer" I would have to guess what you meant! It was not an answer. It was an uninterpreted passage of Scripture that has nothing to do with the question I asked. Why would anyone want to waste time trying to guess an answer you refuse to state?

You are proving some things I've known for a long time. 1) The greatest enemies of God's Word are those who claim to believe it the most. And 2) the Bible is a sink-hole for nut-jobs.

144

02-10-2011, 05:34 PM

Shalt thou trust 222

Letters as numerals 222

Alphanumeric system 222

The Great Triple Two 222

Simple English gematria 222

Knowledge shall increase 222

The Parable of the sower 222

The secret of the alphabet 222

A thousand years as a day 222

six thousand years 222

It is hidden in the alphabet 222

Vengeance for His Temple 222

The great men of the earth 222

Isaiah forty-six ten 222 (http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B23C046.htm)
The end from the beginning 222

Daniel 2:22 (http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B27C002.htm) HE revealeth the deep and secret things, HE knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him

In the KJV, the English word "Wisdom" occurs in 222 verses (http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=wisdom&t=KJV)

Hebrew-English Languages 222

The fruit of the ground 240

The rough caterpillers 240

The merchants of the earth 240 The rivers have spoiled 240

The residue of His people 240 The Habitation of Justice 240

The counting of the Omer 241 Three measures of barley 241 The remnant of the people 241 The Great Day of His Wrath 241 Israel is a scattered sheep 241 A dwellingplace for dragons 241

The iniquity of Israel 242 No form nor comeliness 242 The noise of a multitude 242 The patience of the saints 242 Not of Corruptible Seed 242 It shall not come nigh thee 242 The beast that carrieth her 242 The Day of The LORD is at hand 242

2/09/2011

In the annals of girls high school basketball in America, no one has ever seen a game like the one that unfolded in tiny Reinbeck, Iowa, on Monday night. (http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Six-periods-240-points-Iowa-girls-game-smashes?urn=highschool-318719)

double overtime , 240 points: Iowa girls game smashes national record

shattering the old record of 222

Tied at the end of regulation at 100

Gladbrook-Reinbeck = 152

&

West Marshall = 151

Mark four eight = 152

Thirty = 100 <> Hundred = 74

Sixty = 97 <> Ninety seven = 152

Hundred = 74 <> Seventy four = 170

Mark 4:8 And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some Thirty 100, and some Sixty 97, and some an Hundred 74

HIDDEN TREASURES 170

GOD'S MYSTERY 170

SHOWERS OF RAIN 170

MERCY AND TRUTH 170

LORD GOD ALMIGHTY 170

THE GATES OF ZION 170

TRUE PROPHECY 170

WORLD WAR THREE 170

170 I AM THE TRUE VINE
170 Despised and Rejected

170 the sons of Aaron
170 The house of bondage
170 Elijah the tishbite

170 the dead sea Scrolls
170 the Great Pyramid <> Isaiah 19:19

The Book of Exodus 152

King of the Jews 152

A little season 152

The Three Weeks 152

The Lost Sheep 152

Forty Years 152

Ninety seven 152

Mark four eight 152

Unto The LORD 152

The end of all flesh 152

YESHUA HU ADONAI 152

'One Faith' 78
"Watcher" 78
"Issachar" 78
"Genesis" 78
'Moedims' 78

"The Elect" 78

"evil day" 78
"slaves" 78

Truth 87 Priest 87 Twelve 87 In Israel 87 Eighth day 87 Repented 87 Blessing 87

Fulfilled 87 Languages 87

The sun 87

I was naked 87

In The Land 87

Hidden Manna 87

We are Healed 87

~~~YAHUWAH~~~87

87~~~ELOHIYM~~~

8×7=56 8+7= 15 5+6> 11 15 > 26

Richard Amiel McGough

02-10-2011, 06:37 PM

Shalt thou trust 222

Letters as numerals 222

Alphanumeric system 222

The Great Triple Two 222

Simple English gematria 222

Knowledge shall increase 222

The Parable of the sower 222

The secret of the alphabet 222

PURELY MORONIC CRAP = 222

It took me about three minutes to find that identity. I could create a thousand ridiculous statements for every "meaningful" statement you create. It is an absolutely MEANINGLESS STRATAGEM (222) for proving anything about JESUS LUCIFER MUHAMMAD (222).

It's all BRAINLESS GODLESS BLABBER (222).

You are making a mockery of God and His Word. I've proven this to you many times, but you don't care. Why don't you care about truth? Am I to believe that folks who claim to believe in God don't care about truth?

There are no two ways about it: ENGLISH GEMATRIA IS DUNG = 222

144

02-10-2011, 08:02 PM

PURELY MORONIC CRAP = 222

It took me about three minutes to find that identity. I could create a thousand ridiculous statements for every "meaningful" statement you create. It is an absolutely MEANINGLESS STRATAGEM (222) for proving anything about JESUS LUCIFER MUHAMMAD (222).

It's all BRAINLESS GODLESS BLABBER (222).

You are making a mockery of God and His Word. I've proven this to you many times, but you don't care. Why don't you care about truth? Am I to believe that folks who claim to believe in God don't care about truth?

There are no two ways about it: ENGLISH GEMATRIA IS DUNG = 222 = 4942 = 4942

four thousand nine hundred forty two = 420

4942nd vs. 49th vs. Deu 2:3 (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?bnum=5&cnum=2&vnum=3) Ye have compassed this mountain long enough 442 turn 73 you northward.

turn, panah strong # 6437 Hebrew Gematria 135 richard mcgough 135

Israel 64

Issachar 78

occurs 44 times in 41 verses in the KJV forty four 144

First and Last Occurences of Issachar 78 in the scriptures (http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=issachar&t=KJV).

Genesis thirty - eighteen = 251

Revelation seven - seven = 251

Two hundred fifty one = 232

1 Chron 12:32 And of the children of Issachar, which were men that had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do; the heads of them were two hundred; and all their brethren were at their commandment. 1811 - 4240

The number 232 occurs 1 time in scripture

1 Ki 20:15 Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.

The first two words in Scripture spoken by the Lord God Almighty are Yahi Aur, translated as Let there by light. We have the identity:
Let there be light
Yahi Aur
= (http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/gr_232.asp) 232

YESHUA 79

Save 47 Flock 47 mans 47 Time 47 Lot 47 beast 47

Prophecy 106 = 232

the name of my birth certificate

******** 79
**** 47
********106 = 232

232 = 7

79 > 7

47 > 2

106 > 7

7+2+7 > 7

b-day */**/**** = 26> 8

Shema Yisra'EL YAHUWAH ELOHEYNU YAHUWAH Echad

Richard Amiel McGough

02-10-2011, 08:54 PM

= 4942

four thousand nine hundred forty two = 420

4942nd vs. Deu 2:3 (http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?bnum=5&cnum=2&vnum=3) Ye have compassed this mountain long enough 442 turn 73 you northward.

turn, panah strong # 6437 Hebrew Gematria 135 richard mcgough 135

Okey-dokey. You found a path from what I wrote to a verse in the Bible that has a word that sums to 135 in standard Hebrew gematria, which happens to be the value of my name in English Gematria. You seem to be implying that it is time for me to turn and believe in English Gematria. Great! That's very impressive! You have convinced me to play the game with you. I think it will be a lot of fun. So I'll follow your lead. You converted the number 4942 to 420, so I'll take this as a clue to go to the 420th verse of the Bible:

420th vs. Gen 17:22 (http://biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Database.asp?SearchBy_VerseNumber=420) And he left off talking with him (266), and God went up from Abraham.

22-17 = 5

271 = And he left off talking with him (266) + 5

271 = One Hundred and Forty Four

And we find a divine confirmation by coalescing the twos in the verse number and reading it backwards: 17:22 ==> 271!

Well that's not hard to interpret! I guess the conversation is over. Sorry. It's the Word of God. Nothing I can do about it. :dontknow:

144

02-10-2011, 09:08 PM

you will have to explain to me the basis for your subtraction equation as all His Methods have deep deep foundations...not saying it couldn't be but where is your proof...anyways

Like burning coals of fire 231

The mother of all living 231

The former of all things 231

Which also beareth fruit 231

The nations of the earth 231

The Words are closed up 231

The seven last plagues 231

The hindermost nation 231 Jeremiah 50:12

The statue of liberty 231

Fourteen generations 231

Seventeenth tammuz 231

precept upon precept 232

One hundred fifty two 232

The midst of Euphrates 232

I AM the First and the Last 232
Smitten of GOD and Afflicted 232
Like the Appearance of Lamps 232
The way of an eagle in the air 232
A Wheel in the Middle of a Wheel 232

The House of The GOD of Jacob 233

Knowledge Shall be Increased 233

The Children of the Kingdom 233

The Rod of His inheritance 233

The Pleasure of The LORD 233

The Living in Jerusalem 233

A Multitude of Waters 233

The Seed is The Word of GOD 234
The Gospel of The Kingdom 234

Richard Amiel McGough

02-10-2011, 09:10 PM

you will have to explain to me the basis for your subtraction equation as all His Methods have deep deep foundations...not saying it couldn't be but where is your proof...anyways

Dude! Is that a joke? You haven't explained any of the "methods" of your madness. :lmbo:

Richard Amiel McGough

02-10-2011, 09:17 PM

you will have to explain to me the basis for your subtraction equation as all His Methods have deep deep foundations...not saying it couldn't be but where is your proof...anyways

I see Allah has inspired your post! Amazing! You doubled the "deep" just to praise Him!

deep deep foundations = 198

God's True Religion = 198

Perfect Proof of Allah = 198

Most Holy Quran = 198

Muhammad, Quran, and Allah = 198

You go dude! You are proving Islam. :woohoo:

144

02-10-2011, 09:38 PM

Standard English Method Consecutive.

1st kenizzites 144 first word that equals 144 in scripture

A
1) 380th vs. Genesis 15:19
The kenites and the kenizzites and the kadmonites. 475

2) 475th vs. Genesis 19:17
And it came to pass, when They had brought them forth abroad, that HE said, Escape for thy life, Look not behind thee, Neither stay thou in all the plain, Escape to The Mountain, Lest thou be consumed. 1762

3) 1762nd vs 229th vs. Exodus 9:19
Send therefore now, And gather thy cattle, And all that thou hast in the field, For upon every man and beast which shall be found in the field, And shall not be brought Home, The hail shall come down upon them, And they shall die. 1944

4) 1944th vs. 411th vs. of Exodus 15:23
And when they came to marah 41, they could not drink of the waters of marah 41, for they were bitter, therefore the name of it was called marah 41. 1204

5) 1204th Genesis 41:8
And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled, and he sent and called for all the magicians of egypt, and all the wise men thereof, and Pharaoh told them his dream but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh. 2139

6) 2139th vs. 606th vs. Exodus 22:25
If thou lend money to any of My People, That is poor by thee, Thou Shalt Not be to him as an usurer, Neither shalt thou lay upon him usury. 1418

7) 1418th vs. Genesis 46:31
And Joseph said unto his Brethren, and unto his Father's House, i will go up, and show Pharaoh, and say unto him, My brethren and my Father's House, which were in the Land of Canaan, are come unto me. 1752

8) 1752nd vs. 219th vs. Exodus 9:9
And it shall become small dust in all the land of egypt, and shall be a boil breaking forth with blains upon man and upon beast, throughout all the land of egypt. 1400

9) 1400th vs. Genesis 46:13
And the Sons of Issachar, tola and Phuvah, and job and Shimron. 522

10) 522nd vs. Genesis 21:8
And the child grew, and was weaned, and Abraham made a Great Feast, the same day that Isaac was weaned. 722

11) 722nd vs. Genesis 26:29
That thou wilt do us no hurt, as we have not touched thee, and as we have done unto thee nothing but good, and have sent thee away in peace, thou art now the Blessed of The LORD. 1610

12) 1610th vs. 77th vs. Exodus 4:8
And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to The Voice of the First Sign, that they will believe, The Voice of the Latter Sign. 1429

13) 1429th vs. Genesis 47:8
And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, how old art thou? 400

14) 400th vs. Genesis 17:2
And I will make My Covenant between ME and Thee and will multiply Thee exceedingly. 749

15) 749th vs. Genesis 27:21
And Isaac said unto Jacob, come near I pray thee, that I may feel thee my son, whether thou be my very son, esau or not? 1058

16) 1058th vs. Genesis 36:17 1674
And these are the sons of reuel esau's son, duke nahath, duke zerah, duke shammah, duke mizzah, these are the dukes that came of reuel in the land of edom, these are the sons of B-asheMAth, esau's wife.

End A - B-aSHEMAth

B four hundred seventy five 286 #1

17) 286th vs. Genesis 11:19 762
And Peleg lived after he begat reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters. 762

18) 762nd vs. Genesis 27:34
And when esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, bless me, even me also, o my father. 1270

19) 1270th vs. Genesis 42:17
And he put them all together into ward three days. 467

20) 467th vs. Genesis 19:9
And they said, stand back. And they said again, this one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge, now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door 2033

21) 2033rd vs. 500th vs. Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto Me a Kingdom of Priests, and an Holy Nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the Children of Israel. 1245

22) 1245th vs. Genesis 41:49
And Joseph gathered corn as the sand of the sea, very much, until he left numbering, for it was without number. 1030

23) 1030th vs. Genesis 35:18
And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, for she died, that she called his name benoni, but his father called him Benjamin. 1049

24) 1049th vs. Genesis 36:8
Thus dwelt esau in mount seir, esau is edom. 446

25) 446th vs. Genesis 18:21
I will go down now, And see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, Which is come unto Me, And if not, I will know. 1225

26) 1225th vs. Genesis 41:29
Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of egypt. 771

27) 771st vs. Genesis 27:43
Now therefore, my son, obey my voice; arise, flee thou to laban my brother to Haran. 787

28) 787th vs. Genesis 28:13
And, behold, The LORD stood above it, and said, I AM The LORD GOD of Abraham thy father, And the GOD of Isaac, the land whereon thou liest, To thee will I give it, And to thy seed. 1416

29) 1416th vs. Genesis 46:29
And Joseph made ready his chariot, and went up to meet Israel his father, to Goshen, and presented himself unto him, and he fell on his neck, and wept on his neck a good while. 1477

30) 1477th vs. Genesis 49:3
Reuben, thou art my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power. 1233

31) 1233rd vs. Genesis 41:37
And the thing was good in the eyes of Pharaoh, and in the eyes of all his servants. 721

32) 721st vs. Genesis 26:28
And they said, we saw certainly that The LORD was with thee, and we said, let there be now an oath betwixt us, even betwixt us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee. 1559

33) 1559th vs. 26th vs. Exodus 2:4
And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him. 595

34) 595th vs. Genesis 24:3
And i will make thee swear by The LORD, the GOD of Heaven, and the GOD of the Earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the canaanites, among whom i dwell. 1577

35) 1577th vs. 44th vs. Exodus 2:22And she bare him a son, and he called his name Gershom, for he said, i have been a stranger in a strange land. 777

36) 777th vs. Genesis 28:3
And GOD ALMIGHTY 121 bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people. 1039

37) 1039th vs. Genesis 35:27
And Jacob came unto Isaac his father unto Mamre, unto the city of Arba, which is Hebron, where Abraham and Isaac sojourned. 1009

38) 1009th vs. Genesis 34:28
They took their sheep, and their oxen, and their asses, and that which was in the city, and that which was in the field 1040

39) 1040th vs. Genesis 35:28
And the days of Isaac were an hundred and fourscore years. 502

40) 502nd vs. Genesis 20:6
And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart, For I also withheld thee from sinning against Me, Therefore suffered I thee not to touch her. 1742

41) 1742nd vs. 209th vs. Exodus 8:31
And The LORD did according to the word of Moses, and HE removed the swarms of flies from pharaoh, from his servants, and from his people, there remained not one. 1433

42) 1433rd vs. Genesis 47:12
And Joseph nourished his father, and his brethren, and all his father's household, with bread, according to their families. 1041

43L) 1041st vs. Genesis 35:29
And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days, and his sons esau and Jacob buried him. 1087

44) 1087th vs. Genesis 37:3
Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age, and he made him a coat of many colors. 1050

45) 1050th vs. Genesis 36:9
and these are the generations of esau the father of the edomites in mount seir. 719

46) 719th vs. Genesis 26:26
Then Abimelech went to him from Gerar, and Ahuzzath one of his friends, and Phichol the chief captain of his army. 961

47) 961st vs. Genesis 32:32
Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day, because HE Touched the hollow of Jacob's thigh in the sinew that shrank. 1769

48) 1769th vs. 236th vs. Exodus 9:26
Only in the land of Goshen, where the children of Israel were, was there no hail. 701

49) 701st vs. Genesis 26:8
And it came to pass, when he had been there a long time, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looked out at a window, and saw, and, behold, Isaac was sporting with Rebekah his wife. 1494

50) 1494th vs. Genesis 49:20
Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties. 571

51) 571st vs. Genesis 22:23
And Bethuel begat Rebekah These Eight, Milcah did Bear to Nahor, Abraham's brother. 612

52) 612th vs. Genesis 24:20
And she hasted and emptied her pitcher into the trough, and ran again unto the well to draw water, and drew for all his camels. 1098

53) 1098th vs. Genesis 37:14
And he said to him, go I pray thee, see whether it be well with thy brethren, and well with the flocks, and bring me word again, so he sent him out of the vale of Hebron, and he came to Shechem. 1593

54) 1593rd vs. 60th vs. Exodus 3:13
And Moses said unto GOD, behold, when i Come unto the Children of Israel and shall say unto them, The GOD of your fathers hath Sent me unto you and they shall say to me, what is ~~~HIS NAME~~~ what shall i say unto them? 1983

55) 1983rd vs. 450th vs. Exodus 16:35
And the Children of Israel did eat Manna forty years, until they came to A Land inhabited, they did eat Manna, until they came unto the borders of the Land of Canaan. 1367

56) 1367th vs. Genesis 45:8
So now it was not you that sent me hither, but GOD, and HE hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of egypt. 1449

57) 1449th vs. Genesis 47:28
And Jacob lived in the land of egypt seventeen years, so the whole age of Jacob was an hundred forty and seven years. 1023

58) 1023rd vs. Genesis 35:11 And GOD said unto him, ~~~I AM GOD ALMIGHTY 144~~~be fruitful and multiply a Nation and a Company of Nations shall be of thee and kings shall come out of thy loins. = 1367End B 56th vs.

This is just the beginning, His Method goes through all 21 occurences of a word that equals 144 in the scriptures, you have no idea, because all things to you were fulfilled in 70 A.D, thus the idea of English Gematria is IMPOSSIBLE for you to believe, that would mean, not all things were fulfilled...

The 380th vs. on the home page is the First Verse of the SHEMUAH

21 different words equal 144 in the 1769 KJV

The 380th vs. is the First Verse that has a Word that equals 144 kenizzites

The SHEMUAH goes through all 21 first occurrences of those words. (unworthy 2nd occurrence)sole variation

"Ending" each 144 word/verse consecutive, only when the sum of the verse equals a verse with the word "BasheMath" or the sum of the verse equals a verse that has already appeared in the SHEMUAH, from the beginning of the word/verses consecutive and accumulative/consecutive methods.

The 380th vs. = the beginning/ first word/verse that equals 144

380th vs. equals 475 fourhundredseventyfive 286

A = sum of the verse with a word that equals 144 for each 144 word/verse consecutive

B = sum/spelled out for each 144 word/verse consecutive

A/A sum accumulative/ then consecutive from the first word/verse 144 till the last word/verse 144, All twenty one first occurrence verses, sole variation, unworthy 2nd occurrence.

A/B is the same as A/A, except it is the sum of the numbers spelled out accumulated of the 21 verses with a word that equals 144

The last eight 13-21 144 word/verses, have two amazing additional increases, understanding will come if you follow the methods consecutive and accumulative on the tables pages. look carefully at the numbers where the two additional begin 13296...3296

21 words equal 144 in the 1769 KJV

This table shows how each verse with a word, that has the sum of 144 was accumulated with the next verse with a word with the sum of 144, consecutive from Genesis, through all 21 words in order until the word unworthy, where the second of the two times that it is found is accumulated.

The sum of each number spelled out of those 21 verses is B & A/B accumulated B

.......A.............B
1) 475......... 286
....................................A/A.......A/B
2) 1332....... 424....... 1807.......710

3) 955......... 245....... 2802...... 955

4) 1076....... 298....... 3878......1253

5) 1983........382....... 5861......1635

6) 1795....... 404....... 7656...... 2039

7) 1067....... 298....... 6928...... 1933

8) 1658....... 377....... 8586...... 2310

9) 1950....... 318...... 10536...... 2628

10) 969....... 255...... 11505...... 2883

11) 882....... 255...... 12387...... 3138

12) 1043..... 276.......13430...... 3414........ A/C......A/D
______________________________(-1043)( -276)
13) 909.......158....... 14339...... 3572...... 13296...3296

14) 1337......431...... 15676...... 4003...... 14633... 3727

15) 1515..... 315...... 17191...... 4318...... 16148... 4042

16) 1183..... 374...... 18374...... 4692...... 17331... 4416

17) 1160..... 341...... 19534...... 5033...... 18491....4757

18) 1808..... 303...... 21342.......5341.......20299....5065

19) 1651..... 362...... 22993...... 5703...... 21950... 5427

20) 1376.... 428....... 24369...... 6131...... 23326....5855

21) 1254.... 394....... 25623...... 6525...... 24580... 6249
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Accumulation Table part 3
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1
A) 475

B) 286
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2
A) 475 + 1332 = 1807

B) 286 + 424 = 710
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3
A) 475+1332 + 995 = 2802

B) 286 + 424 + 245 = 955
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4
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 =3878

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 =1253
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5
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 =5861

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 = 1635
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6
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1795 = 7656

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 404 = 2039
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7
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067 = 6928

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 = 1933
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8
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 = 8586

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 = 2310
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9
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 = 10536

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 = 2628
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10
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969 = 11505

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 = 2883
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11
A) 475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 882 = 12387

B) 286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 = 3138
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12
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 882 + 1043 = 13430

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 =3414
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13
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 882 +1043 + 909 = 14339

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 = 3572

Accumulative C 14339 - 1043 = 13296

Accumulative D 3572 - 276 = 3296
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14
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003

Accumulative C 15676 – 1043 = 14633

Accumulative D 4003 - 276 = 3727
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15
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676 + 1515 = 17191

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003 + 315 = 4318

Accumulative C 17191 – 1043 = 16148

Accumulative D 4318 - 276 = 4042
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16
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676 + 1515 = 17191 + 1183 = 18374

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003 + 315 = 4318 + 374 = 4692

Accumulative C 18374 – 1043 = 17331

Accumulative D 4692 - 276 = 4416
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17
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 +
969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676 + 1515 = 17191 + 1183 = 18374 + 1160 = 19534

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003 + 315 = 4318 + 374 = 4692 + 341= 5033

Accumulative C 19534 – 1043 = 18491

Accumulative D 5033 - 276 = 4757
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18
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676 + 1515 = 17191 + 1183 = 18374 + 1160 = 19534 + 1808 = 21342

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003 + 315 = 4318 + 374 = 4692 + 341= 5033 + 308 = 5341

Accumulative C 21342 – 1043 = 20299

Accumulative D 5341 - 276 = 5065
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19
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676 + 1515 = 17191 + 1183 = 18374 + 1160 = 19534 + 1808 = 21342 + 1651 = 22993

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003 + 315 = 4318 + 374 = 4692 + 341= 5033 + 308 = 5341 + 362 = 5703

Accumulative C 22993 – 1043 = 21950

Accumulative D 5703 - 276 = 5427
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20
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676 + 1515 = 17191 + 1183 = 18374 + 1160 = 19534 + 1808 = 21342 + 1651 = 22993 + 1376 = 24369

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003 + 315 = 4318 + 374 = 4692 + 341= 5033 + 308 = 5341 + 362 = 5703 + 428 = 6131

Accumulative C 24369 – 1043 = 23326

Accumulative D 6131 - 276 = 5855
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21
A)475+1332 + 995 + 1076 +1983 + 1067+ 1658 + 1950 + 969+ 1043 + 882 + 909 + 1337 = 15676 + 1515 = 17191 + 1183 = 18374 + 1160 = 19534 + 1808 = 21342 + 1651 = 22993 + 1376 = 24369 +1254 = 25623

B)286 + 424 + 245 + 298 + 382 + 298 + 377 + 318 + 255 + 255 + 276 + 158 + 431= 4003 + 315 = 4318 + 374 = 4692 + 341= 5033 + 308 = 5341 + 362 = 5703 + 428 = 6131 + 394 = 6525

Accumulative C 25623 – 1043 = 24580

Accumulative D 6525 - 276 = 6249