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gilgal

12-20-2010, 02:26 PM

Richard, I don't know if you've mentioned this but the city of Gilgal is circular:
http://www.israel-travel-and-tours.com/images/gilgalrefaim1.jpg (http://www.israel-travel-and-tours.com/rephaim.html)

The Gilgal is the Israeli Stonehenge. The structure is composed of over 40,000 stones that are arranged in 4 circles. It is quite big – the diameter of the outer circle is about 150 meters/490 feet. The site is estimated to be 5,000 years old, however it is not totally understood what the purpose of the structure was. Some think it was a sort of a calendar or maybe a tomb or worship site.

Strangely enough it is best seen from above; however it sits on a plateau with no hills around it – which raises further questions regarding the purpose of the structure.

Gilgal or Galgal in Hebrew means a circle. Refaim means ghosts. But the Refaim were also a race of giant people that lived in the Bashan, which is the Golan of today. And they might just be the ones who built the place.

There seems to be a pattern associated to the biblewheel. This is so mind-boggling!

It confirms the study of the pattern of the books of the bible put together:
http://www.biblewheel.com/wheel/intro.asp

The location where the reproach of Egypt was rolled away. Also the bible is a spiritual wheel where upon reading and acting upon it our sins are rolled away.

Richard Amiel McGough

12-20-2010, 10:59 PM

Yes indeed, that is a fascinating find! I don't really know what it means, but it does show that forms like the Bible Wheel are archetypal and intrinsically appealing to the human mind.

Thanks for sharing.

CWH

12-21-2010, 06:48 AM

I am not trying to poke fun at the Biblewheel or trying to be sarcastic, really, please don't be offended; I am just putting my own honest view. It occurs to me today as I happened to look at a picture of a roulette and the Bible wheel resembles a rouletete in some aspects. I am not a gambler but it just happened and the picture just strikes my miind...the "cross"... the numbers....the "spokes"...the inner wheels....and the round shape.

http://blogs.poz.com/shawn/upload/roulette.jpg

Honestly, I am not trying to be offensive RAM and I do admire your work on the Bible wheel.

Many Blessings

@ndregm

12-21-2010, 08:36 AM

I am not trying to poke fun at the Biblewheel or trying to be sarcastic, really, please don't be offended; I am just putting my own honest view. It occurs to me today as I happened to look at a picture of a roulette and the Bible wheel resembles a rouletete in some aspects. I am not a gambler but it just happened and the picture just strikes my miind...the "cross"... the numbers....the "spokes"...the inner wheels....and the round shape.

Honestly, I am not trying to be offensive RAM and I do admire your work on the Bible wheel.

Many Blessings

Hello Cheow,
I don't see any benefit of such comment. It's irrelevant at all, if not "unintelligent", comparing the roulette and the BibleWheel!

Rgds,
@ndre

CWH

12-21-2010, 09:17 AM

Hi @ndregm,

There is nothing "unintelligent" comparing the roulette with Biblewheel. I am not comparing the Biblewheel with roulette but that it's design looks a little like that. I am a frank person, if something is not nice, I will say that it is not nice.....or...... should I lie and say it is very nice. I have already said before my post that is not meant to poke fun at the Biblewheel, but just putting my what strikes my mind then. I am sorry if many people find offending, then I would request that RAM delete my post. I am just being honest. It's the way how people look at it...I have nothing against Biblewheel or RAM. I believe the Bible wheel is an inspired work and obviously not inspired by the roulette.

Many Blessings.

gilgal

12-21-2010, 11:14 AM

Cheow! Tsk tsk tsk!

One thing I do relate the bibleweel to is a clock.
http://www.creativewatch.co.uk/pimages/large-wall-clock-memolux-large.jpg

The clock has 12 numbers but may extend to 24 and 60.

Richard Amiel McGough

12-21-2010, 12:19 PM

Richard Amiel McGough

12-21-2010, 12:23 PM

Cheow! Tsk tsk tsk!

One thing I do relate the bibleweel to is a clock.

The clock has 12 numbers but may extend to 24 and 60.
Well, if the correlation between Spokes and centuries is correct, then the Bible Wheel is indeed like a clock. There certainly are some intriguing patterns on the two cycles through the past 4200 years as discussed in my article Aleph-Tav: The Key to the Kingdoms (http://biblewheel.com/History/KingdomKey.asp):

http://biblewheel.com/History/KingdomKey.gif

Richard Amiel McGough

12-21-2010, 12:26 PM

gilgal

12-21-2010, 12:53 PM

Well, if the correlation between Spokes and centuries is correct, then the Bible Wheel is indeed like a clock. There certainly are some intriguing patterns on the two cycles through the past 4200 years as discussed in my article Aleph-Tav: The Key to the Kingdoms (http://biblewheel.com/History/KingdomKey.asp):

http://biblewheel.com/History/KingdomKey.gif
Maybe the orbits of the spheres, the planets and the sun follow this pattern which would explain why there would be a reoccurring theme at a certain position.

Richard Amiel McGough

12-21-2010, 01:38 PM

Maybe the orbits of the spheres, the planets and the sun follow this pattern which would explain why there would be a reoccurring theme at a certain position.
Actually, I have been intrigued by the precession of the equinox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_of_the_equinoxes) which takes 25,771.5 years for a complete cycle. This means that it moves from one astrological sign to the next in a period of 25771.5/12 = 2147.5 years. This is extremely close to the transition point in the "Key to the Kingdoms" in which the Aleph and the Tav overlap in the first century so that the total number of years spanned is 2200 + 2100 = 4300 = 2 x 2150 which is very close to 2 x 2147.5 (differing only by 5 years or 0.1%).

http://biblewheel.com/History/3DHistory8.gif

The apparent significance of this "coincidence" is amplified by the fact that the three consecutive astrological ages match very well with the beginning, middle, and end of the two cycle shown on the Key of the Kingdoms. Specifically, the first Aleph corresponds to 2000 BC when Abraham sacrificed a Ram (Aries) in place of Christ. The second Aleph corresponds to the 1st century AD and is marked by Christ symbolized by the Fish (Pisces) so that the last 2000 years of our Lord would correspond to the "Age of the Fish". And finally, the third Aleph corresponds to the 22nd century which would correspond to the next transformation of all Humanity into Aquarius, the Water Bearer. Unfortunately, we do not have exact dates for when the transitions occur, and there is a very wide range of estimates. For example this wiki article on the Age of Aquarius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius) says:
Based on the research by Nicholas Campion most published material on the subject state that the Age of Aquarius arrived in the 20th century (29 claims), with the 24th century in second place with twelve claimants. Eight researchers claim the Aquarian age will arrive in the 25th century while the 21st, 26th and 27th centuries have seven supporters for each century.
So though we don't have certain knowledge about when the ages start, the corresponds between the three consecutive (reversed) signs of Aries, Pisces, and Aquarius with the primary events displayed on the Key to the Kingdoms diagram is extremely intriguing.

Richard

gilgal

12-21-2010, 02:13 PM

Actually, I have been intrigued by the precession of the equinox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_of_the_equinoxes) which takes 25,771.5 years for a complete cycle. This means that it moves from one astrological sign to the next in a period of 25771.5/12 = 2147.5 years. This is extremely close to the transition point in the "Key to the Kingdoms" in which the Aleph and the Tav overlap in the first century so that the total number of years spanned is 2200 + 2100 = 4300 = 2 x 2150 which is very close to 2 x 2147.5 (differing only by 5 years or 0.1%).

http://biblewheel.com/History/3DHistory8.gif

The apparent significance of this "coincidence" is amplified by the fact that the three consecutive astrological ages match very well with the beginning, middle, and end of the two cycle shown on the Key of the Kingdoms. Specifically, the first Aleph corresponds to 2000 BC when Abraham sacrificed a Ram (Aries) in place of Christ. The second Aleph corresponds to the 1st century AD and is marked by Christ symbolized by the Fish (Pisces) so that the last 2000 years of our Lord would correspond to the "Age of the Fish". And finally, the third Aleph corresponds to the 22nd century which would correspond to the next transformation of all Humanity into Aquarius, the Water Bearer. Unfortunately, we do not have exact dates for when the transitions occur, and there is a very wide range of estimates. For example this wiki article on the Age of Aquarius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius) says:
Based on the research by Nicholas Campion most published material on the subject state that the Age of Aquarius arrived in the 20th century (29 claims), with the 24th century in second place with twelve claimants. Eight researchers claim the Aquarian age will arrive in the 25th century while the 21st, 26th and 27th centuries have seven supporters for each century.
So though we don't have certain knowledge about when the ages start, the corresponds between the three consecutive (reversed) signs of Aries, Pisces, and Aquarius with the primary events displayed on the Key to the Kingdoms diagram is extremely intriguing.

Richard
Coming back to the monument the Rephaims must've been inspired by some astrological pattern to have built this monument. But I find confusing since God had commanded to destroy everything the Canaanites built right?

Richard Amiel McGough

12-21-2010, 02:21 PM

Coming back to the monument the Rephaims must've been inspired by some astrological pattern to have built this monument. But I find confusing since God had commanded to destroy everything the Canaanites built right?
I don't think we have enough info to make any speculations about it being rebuilt. And as for God's command to destroy everything ... well, the Bible seems to indicate they never obeyed that command. The Canaanites and Philistines remained in the land and were a thorn in their sides and were never fully eliminated.

CWH

12-21-2010, 04:41 PM

I appreciate your frankness. Indeed, it is one of your most endearing qualities! I wish everyone spoke their minds with freedom and respect like you do. And as I said in my previous post, I take no offense at your comment. You merely stated your observation.

All the very best, my friend.

Thanks RAM for your encouragement. I am relieved that you don't take it as offensive. Yes I agree that should all speak our minds with freedom and respect in this forum.

Thanks:signthankspin: and Many Blessings to you.

gilgal

12-23-2010, 03:38 PM

Thanks RAM for your encouragement. I am relieved that you don't take it as offensive. Yes I agree that should all speak our minds with freedom and respect in this forum.

Thanks:signthankspin: and Many Blessings to you.
How come I don't see you posting articles on the bible wheel? It would be nice to hear what you think on the subject and what discoveries you've come up with!

My theory on the Wheel monument of Gilgal is that it reflects the heavenly pattern, perhaps some group of constellations or something. I wish I knew.

Astrology and the bible, something to think about:
http://www.usbible.com/astrology/bible_astrology.htm

CWH

12-23-2010, 07:17 PM

How come I don't see you posting articles on the bible wheel? It would be nice to hear what you think on the subject and what discoveries you've come up with!

My theory on the Wheel monument of Gilgal is that it reflects the heavenly pattern, perhaps some group of constellations or something. I wish I knew.

Astrology and the bible, something to think about:
http://www.usbible.com/astrology/bible_astrology.htm

I think I have spoken about that before, I see the bible wheel more as a bible reference rather than a discovery book in which some passages are connected to one another. I do have skepticism about the bible wheel as a book of discovery....are numberings of the chapters and verses in the Bible inspired? The apostles of Jesus didn't have such luxury in their time yet they were able to make reference to the OT easily. The Bible wheel is also a reference book regarding numerology, Hebrew and Greek. I got inspirations more while reading the Bible, researching through the internet and through interactions in this forum rather than researching on the bible wheel.

A good example how I go about it is this:

gilgal quote:
My theory on the Wheel monument of Gilgal is that it reflects the heavenly pattern, perhaps some group of constellations or something. I wish I knew.

The next moment I will go into the bible or internet and look at reference on the bible and the constellations. Here is one which you may want to research about, "What the Bible says about stars":

http://www.horizonenergycorp.com/hpo/constellations/bible.htm..

Note** the Bible mentioned only a few constellations of which the Pleaides and Orion stand out.

Many Blessings and a Merry Christmas.

Richard Amiel McGough

12-23-2010, 08:54 PM

How come I don't see you posting articles on the bible wheel? It would be nice to hear what you think on the subject and what discoveries you've come up with!

I've published hundreds of articles on the main site www.biblewheel.com and have posted hundreds of articles here on this forum concerning the Bible Wheel. But as it turns out, very few folks who post here are interested in much of anything other than eschatology. I started this forum three and half years ago in hope of discussing the Bible Wheel, but the lack of interest has dampened my enthusiasm.

But I think I will start posting more since I am in the process of re-evaluating everything that I have believed over the last couple decades.

My theory on the Wheel monument of Gilgal is that it reflects the heavenly pattern, perhaps some group of constellations or something. I wish I knew.

Astrology and the bible, something to think about:
http://www.usbible.com/astrology/bible_astrology.htm
I agree that the Gilgal in Israel was probably based on astronomy and astrology, like Stonehenge in England.

And the connection between the Bible and Astrology goes back to ancient times. Churches and synagogues often have astrological symbols engraved in the floors and ceilings. And there are folks who believe that they see the Gospel in the sequence of astrological signs, beginning with the Virgin (Virgo) who represents Mary. Leo represents Christ as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, etc. I don't know if that is valid or not.

gilgal

12-23-2010, 10:17 PM

I've published hundreds of articles on the main site www.biblewheel.com and have posted hundreds of articles here on this forum concerning the Bible Wheel. But as it turns out, very few folks who post here are interested in much of anything other than eschatology. I started this forum three and half years ago in hope of discussing the Bible Wheel, but the lack of interest has dampened my enthusiasm.

But I think I will start posting more since I am in the process of re-evaluating everything that I have believed over the last couple decades.

I agree that the Gilgal in Israel was probably based on astronomy and astrology, like Stonehenge in England.

And the connection between the Bible and Astrology goes back to ancient times. Churches and synagogues often have astrological symbols engraved in the floors and ceilings. And there are folks who believe that they see the Gospel in the sequence of astrological signs, beginning with the Virgin (Virgo) who represents Mary. Leo represents Christ as the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, etc. I don't know if that is valid or not.
I wasn't blaming you RAM. I was talking to Cheow Wee Hock. I was hoping to hear more from other people than RAM, Rose, or Victor, not that I don't appreciate their postings. They have tremendous insights. Some people prefer to simply read and learn. But I often wonder for myself, "What's the point of posting if I'm not going to get any feedbacks, even if it's negative but constructive?"

CWH

12-24-2010, 12:08 AM

I wasn't blaming you RAM. I was talking to Cheow Wee Hock. I was hoping to hear more from other people than RAM, Rose, or Victor, not that I don't appreciate their postings. They have tremendous insights. Some people prefer to simply read and learn. But I often wonder for myself, "What's the point of posting if I'm not going to get any feedbacks, even if it's negative but constructive?"

I am not the only one gilgal, there are many people here who have not post any article on the biblewheel besides their tremendous insights....joe, joel, alec, Endtimes, Tomret, TruthSeeker, Twospirits, Brother Les, etc. I guess they may have their own skepticisms of the biblewheel and they are more interested in discussing eschatology as stated by RAM.

There are also many passive members who have not contributed any articles, I wonder why? Perhaps, they are busy or do not wish to be involved in heated debates. But one thing I learnt and I would like to inform readers is that the more you interact in this forum, the more you learnt, not only about preterism but on other interesting Bible issues as well and it is much better than reading the Bible alone....who knows it may give you more inspirations and motivations to search for the truth. And the truth will set you free.....

Many Blessings and Merry Christmas to all.

Victor

01-08-2011, 11:53 AM

Richard, I don't know if you've mentioned this but the city of Gilgal is circular:
http://www.israel-travel-and-tours.com/images/gilgalrefaim1.jpg (http://www.israel-travel-and-tours.com/rephaim.html)

There seems to be a pattern associated to the biblewheel. This is so mind-boggling!

It confirms the study of the pattern of the books of the bible put together:
http://www.biblewheel.com/wheel/intro.asp

The location where the reproach of Egypt was rolled away. Also the bible is a spiritual wheel where upon reading and acting upon it our sins are rolled away.

Yes, it is mind-boggling. Sounds pretty much like the Bible Wheel, doesn't it? I saw this years ago but failed to comment on it. Good thing that it first got posted here by someone whose alias is "Gilgal!" :lol:

I have a collection of pictures of Gilgal Rephaim seen "from above" in my files. Here it is:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ls7zk.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ce6fqc.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/sxzrr9.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2rwrxvm.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/1zdnnz5.jpg

It is just a pile of rocks when seen from the land level, and, much like the Bible Wheel, the large overall pattern is clearly perceived only when you look at it with a bird's eye view. See it at Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.908388,35.800581).

There are a few "Gilgals" in the Promised Land. I don't think this one is associated with the famous ones. It got this name because it is a round structure, unlike the biblical Gilgals, which were cities.

Wikipedia article: Rumj el-Hiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rujm_el-Hiri)

Victor

01-08-2011, 12:59 PM

Actually, I have been intrigued by the precession of the equinox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession_of_the_equinoxes) which takes 25,771.5 years for a complete cycle. This means that it moves from one astrological sign to the next in a period of 25771.5/12 = 2147.5 years. This is extremely close to the transition point in the "Key to the Kingdoms" in which the Aleph and the Tav overlap in the first century so that the total number of years spanned is 2200 + 2100 = 4300 = 2 x 2150 which is very close to 2 x 2147.5 (differing only by 5 years or 0.1%).

The apparent significance of this "coincidence" is amplified by the fact that the three consecutive astrological ages match very well with the beginning, middle, and end of the two cycle shown on the Key of the Kingdoms. Specifically, the first Aleph corresponds to 2000 BC when Abraham sacrificed a Ram (Aries) in place of Christ. The second Aleph corresponds to the 1st century AD and is marked by Christ symbolized by the Fish (Pisces) so that the last 2000 years of our Lord would correspond to the "Age of the Fish". And finally, the third Aleph corresponds to the 22nd century which would correspond to the next transformation of all Humanity into Aquarius, the Water Bearer. (snip)

So though we don't have certain knowledge about when the ages start, the corresponds between the three consecutive (reversed) signs of Aries, Pisces, and Aquarius with the primary events displayed on the Key to the Kingdoms diagram is extremely intriguing.

Richard

Fascinating Richard! Did you notice the correspondence between the alphabetic and astrological cycles (~2150 years) by the same time that you discovered the Key to the Kingdoms or was there an interval between the two?

gilgal

01-08-2011, 06:13 PM

Yes, it is mind-boggling. Sounds pretty much like the Bible Wheel, doesn't it? I saw this years ago but failed to comment on it. Good thing that it first got posted here by someone whose alias is "Gilgal!" :lol:

I have a collection of pictures of Gilgal Rephaim seen "from above" in my files. Here it is:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ls7zk.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2ce6fqc.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/sxzrr9.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2rwrxvm.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/1zdnnz5.jpg

It is just a pile of rocks when seen from the land level, and, much like the Bible Wheel, the large overall pattern is clearly perceived only when you look at it with a bird's eye view. See it at Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.908388,35.800581).

There are a few "Gilgals" in the Promised Land. I don't think this one is associated with the famous ones. It got this name because it is a round structure, unlike the biblical Gilgals, which were cities.

Wikipedia article: Rumj el-Hiri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rujm_el-Hiri)
I don't think I've seen a connection of the city of Gilgal mentioned in Joshua 5 and the race of giants called the Rephaim. That city must have been new in Joshua 5 compared to this one.

Victor

01-09-2011, 11:52 AM

I think I have spoken about that before, I see the bible wheel more as a bible reference rather than a discovery book in which some passages are connected to one another. I do have skepticism about the bible wheel as a book of discovery....are numberings of the chapters and verses in the Bible inspired? The apostles of Jesus didn't have such luxury in their time yet they were able to make reference to the OT easily. The Bible wheel is also a reference book regarding numerology, Hebrew and Greek. I got inspirations more while reading the Bible, researching through the internet and through interactions in this forum rather than researching on the bible wheel.

It seems that you are not familiar with the Bible Wheel. If you were, you wouldn't make such objections.

I reccomend that you read the Bible Wheel book (http://www.biblewheel.com/Book/eBook.asp). It's free.

A good example how I go about it is this:

The next moment I will go into the bible or internet and look at reference on the bible and the constellations. Here is one which you may want to research about, "What the Bible says about stars":

http://www.horizonenergycorp.com/hpo/constellations/bible.htm..

Note** the Bible mentioned only a few constellations of which the Pleaides and Orion stand out.

Many Blessings and a Merry Christmas.

We can learn a lot about Scripture with people who have studied much more than we've had. There have been devout, God-loving saints who have explained the Bible in the last 2,000 years and so we don't need to "reinvent the wheel." We could give them a read, like Christians who lived much closer to the time of Jesus than we do. We could read, for example, the early Church Fathers. They are a goldmine of wisdom and spiritual growth.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers

Many blessings,
Victor

Victor

01-09-2011, 11:58 AM

I've published hundreds of articles on the main site www.biblewheel.com (http://www.biblewheel.com) and have posted hundreds of articles here on this forum concerning the Bible Wheel. But as it turns out, very few folks who post here are interested in much of anything other than eschatology. I started this forum three and half years ago in hope of discussing the Bible Wheel, but the lack of interest has dampened my enthusiasm.

But I think I will start posting more since I am in the process of re-evaluating everything that I have believed over the last couple decades.

I think we just have not reached out for those who could be attracted by the Wheel. Not everyone needs to like or understand the Bible Wheel, but OTOH very few people who might be interested on the subject know that the BW exists. There is plenty of people who like "Bible codes" stuff but they are not the ones who will be interested on the Wheel. The interested ones will be those who love reading the Bible as a Unity and who are rooted in Jewish-Christian interpretive tradition.

gilgal

01-09-2011, 02:39 PM

I think we just have not reached out for those who could be attracted by the Wheel. Not everyone needs to like or understand the Bible Wheel, but OTOH very few people who might be interested on the subject know that the BW exists. There is plenty of people who like "Bible codes" stuff but they are not the ones who will be interested on the Wheel. The interested ones will be those who love reading the Bible as a Unity and who are rooted in Jewish-Christian interpretive tradition.
I like the bible codes but don't agree with the dooms -codes where they try to predict the end of the world.

I had read somewhere that the name of the Rabbi Moses Maimonides was spelled as RMBM in an acrostic and then the word Mishneh Torah in the els (equidistant letter sequence) of 613. But I lost the writing. I need to look it up on Google.

Other codes like the Torah spelling in els of 50 and 49 and the spelling of the name yahweh in Leviticus were interesting. The Torah spelling (TORH) made me believe there is a pattern since Genesis, Exodus and Numbers had the els of 50 letters. But Deuteronomy had in 49 letters but the pattern began, I think from the 5th verse instead. Numbers and Deuteronomy were spelled backwards. This can't be a coincidence.

http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26769#post26769

CWH

01-09-2011, 07:34 PM

It seems that you are not familiar with the Bible Wheel. If you were, you wouldn't make such objections.

I reccomend that you read the Bible Wheel book (http://www.biblewheel.com/Book/eBook.asp). It's free.

We can learn a lot about Scripture with people who have studied much more than we've had. There have been devout, God-loving saints who have explained the Bible in the last 2,000 years and so we don't need to "reinvent the wheel." We could give them a read, like Christians who lived much closer to the time of Jesus than we do. We could read, for example, the early Church Fathers. They are a goldmine of wisdom and spiritual growth.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/churchfathers.html
http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers

Many blessings,
Victor

I feel like I am the one targetted here. I am just being frank with my objection in which I do not believe the chapter and verse numberings of the Bible are inspired. It is just a tool to make Bible referencing easier. In fact, I heard some of the chapters and verses numberings are wrong or differs from different versions of the Bible. I am thinking, why not conduct an online survey as to why others do not want to use the Bible Wheel. I am sure they will have their own various reasons. We need to be frank here to find out the reasons of objection and in order to make the Bible Wheel more appealing.

http://www.scripturessay.com/article.php?cat=&id=383

Many Blessings.

Richard Amiel McGough

01-09-2011, 07:55 PM

I feel like I am the one targetted here. I am just being frank with my objection in which I do not believe the chapter and verse numberings of the Bible are inspired. It is just a tool to make Bible referencing easier. In fact, I heard some of the chapters and verses numberings are wrong. I am thinking, why not conduct an online survey as to why others do not want to use the Bible Wheel. I am sure they will have their own various reasons. We need to be frank here to find out the reasons of objection and in order to make the Bible Wheel more appealing.

http://www.scripturessay.com/article.php?cat=&id=383

Many Blessings.
Cheow,

Your comment demonstrates the accuracy of Victor's observation. You know nothing of the Bible Wheel.

I wrote a 412 page book explaining all the fundamental facts about the Bible Wheel and I never once said anything about the chapter or verse numbers being "inspired" or even having anything to do with the Bible Wheel at all.

The study of patterns relating to the chapter and verse numbers falls under the category called "Inner Cycles" and I very rarely talk about them because they cause confusion in people who have a hard enough time understanding something as simple as the Bible rolled up to form a wheel.

All the best,

Richard

PS: As always, I am very glad you feel free to speak frankly. I trust my frank speech is received with the same attitude.

CWH

01-09-2011, 08:15 PM

Cheow,

Your comment demonstrates the accuracy of Victor's observation. You know nothing of the Bible Wheel.

I wrote a 412 page book explaining all the fundamental facts about the Bible Wheel and I never once said anything about the chapter or verse numbers being "inspired" or even having anything to do with the Bible Wheel at all.

The study of patterns relating to the chapter and verse numbers falls under the category called "Inner Cycles" and I very rarely talk about them because they cause confusion in people who have a hard enough time understanding something as simple as the Bible rolled up to form a wheel.

All the best,

Richard

PS: As always, I am very glad you feel free to speak frankly. I trust my frank speech is received with the same attitude.

I don't deny that I know nothing about the Bible Wheel so are many others in this forum. I believe and I am speaking frankly that the Biblewheel must stand "the test of times" that even if the current books of the Bible are added or deleted, the Bible wheel must not fail. People must also be convinced that the chapters and verses numberings are related and "co-incides" to the parallel contexts and that they are saying the same things.

I think the best thing is to get frank feedbacks among the members here as to why they do not want to use the Bible Wheel. Let me start and I can somewhat feel none will respond:

Dear members/readers,

Please give your frank feedbacks why you do not want to use the Bible Wheel:

Reason:___________________________________________ __________

Many Blessings.

Richard Amiel McGough

01-09-2011, 08:28 PM

I don't deny that I know nothing about the Bible Wheel so are many others in this forum. I believe and I am speaking frankly that the Biblewheel must stand "the test of times" that even if the current books of the Bible are added or deleted, the Bible wheel must not fail. People must also be convinced that the chapters and verses numberings are related and "co-incides" to the parallel contexts and that they are saying the same things.

I think the best thing is to get frank feedbacks among the members here as to why they do not want to use the Bible Wheel. Let me start and I can somewhat feel none will respond:

Dear members/readers,

Please give your frank feedbacks why you do not want to use the Bible Wheel:

Reason:___________________________________________ __________

Many Blessings.
Cheow,

You seem to be totally confused. Your sentence (highlighted red above) is meaningless. Chapter and verse numbers have nothing to do with the Bible Wheel. How many times does this need to be repeated before you will understand?

And why do you ask about "using" the Bible Wheel when you don't even know anything about it? It's like asking if folks should "use" a telephone as a hammer and then complaining about how badly it fails to drive nails into wood.

I am very disappointed. You admit ignorance. You should begin by asking basic questions, not by challenging something of which you know nothing.

All the best,

Richard

CWH

01-09-2011, 08:50 PM

OK, I wil stop here. Thanks to my frankness.

Many Blessings.

Victor

01-13-2011, 08:52 AM

I like the bible codes but don't agree with the dooms -codes where they try to predict the end of the world.

I had read somewhere that the name of the Rabbi Moses Maimonides was spelled as RMBM in an acrostic and then the word Mishneh Torah in the els (equidistant letter sequence) of 613. But I lost the writing. I need to look it up on Google.

Other codes like the Torah spelling in els of 50 and 49 and the spelling of the name yahweh in Leviticus were interesting. The Torah spelling (TORH) made me believe there is a pattern since Genesis, Exodus and Numbers had the els of 50 letters. But Deuteronomy had in 49 letters but the pattern began, I think from the 5th verse instead. Numbers and Deuteronomy were spelled backwards. This can't be a coincidence.

http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26769#post26769

Please note that I am not condemning ELS per se. There are some fair ones like those you point out. But there's a lot of junk out there as well.

And the whole point of my last post was that people who usually feel attracted to the ELS Bible Codes are not the ones who will feel inclined to examine the Bible Wheel. Bible Codes and similar things are a form of pop religious self-help sensationalist stuff devoid of any real spirituality that has nothing to do with solid traditional historical Christianity. Those who should be introduced to the Wheel are the ones already steeped into Jewish-Christian biblical interpretive tradition. It will make sense to some of those.

gilgal

01-13-2011, 09:41 AM

Please note that I am not condemning ELS per se. There are some fair ones like those you point out. But there's a lot of junk out there as well.

And the whole point of my last post was that people who usually feel attracted to the ELS Bible Codes are not the ones who will feel inclined to examine the Bible Wheel. Bible Codes and similar things are a form of pop religious self-help sensationalist stuff devoid of any real spirituality that has nothing to do with solid traditional historical Christianity. Those who should be introduced to the Wheel are the ones already steeped into Jewish-Christian biblical interpretive tradition. It will make sense to some of those.

It is frustrating though that there is no other interesting findings. I wonder if you search "prophets" in the prophetic books will you find such a code? Or Evangels among Gospels?...

gilgal

01-13-2011, 07:33 PM

If anyone is going to research more into this I would suggest they would place the bible or Torah in a grid of a specific number and think of an event which is associated with that number. Since Weissmandl placed the torah in a grid of 50 letters and discovered the spelling of torah at an els of 50.

Then Richard placed a grid of 22 and found that the word for light is repeated at least 3 times every 22 letters in Genesis.
http://www.biblewheel.com/images/Genesis1.3-5.gif (http://www.biblewheel.com/InnerWheels/WheelofLight.asp)
http://www.biblewheel.com/images/Genesis1.3-5-22.gif (http://www.biblewheel.com/InnerWheels/WheelofLight.asp)
New Thread on this:
http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26859#post26859

Richard Amiel McGough

01-13-2011, 09:05 PM

gilgal

01-14-2011, 03:59 AM

Actually, its four times, in columns numbered 16-17-18.
Do you know a website where I can find the Leningrad codex without any vowel marks?

Richard Amiel McGough

01-14-2011, 12:43 PM

Do you know a website where I can find the Leningrad codex without any vowel marks?
Are you saying you have an electronic copy of the Leningrad codex? Why do you want one without vowel marks? You can just ignore them if you don't want to use them. You could just process the file and keep only the consonants.

gilgal

01-14-2011, 02:21 PM

Are you saying you have an electronic copy of the Leningrad codex? Why do you want one without vowel marks? You can just ignore them if you don't want to use them. You could just process the file and keep only the consonants.
Yeah I wonder if there is a way to process the file in php.

Victor

01-15-2011, 06:14 AM

I feel like I am the one targetted here.

Hi Cheow,

You don't need to feel being put on target. I was just observing that you would be in a better position to comment the Bible Wheel if you were familiar with it. It's only that. No one needs to get interested in a given subject.

I am just being frank with my objection in which I do not believe the chapter and verse numberings of the Bible are inspired.

This is not a matter of frankness. It is just a matter of not knowing what you're speaking of. You're relating chapter and verse numberings to the Bible Wheel but if you read the entire Bible Wheel book you'll find that there is not a single reference to 'chapter and verse numberings' meaning anything.

I am thinking, why not conduct an online survey as to why others do not want to use the Bible Wheel. I am sure they will have their own various reasons.

The Wheel is only in its embrionary stages. And it most likely will never attract flocks of interested people.

We need to be frank here to find out the reasons of objection and in order to make the Bible Wheel more appealing.

Why one would want to make something more appealing if he even doesn't know what that thing is?

So why do you want to make the Wheel "more appealing" if you admittedly don't even know what the Bible Wheel is all about?

See, no prob in not knowing the Wheel. I just felt a need to say the obvious: you're showing interest in the Bible Wheel at the very same moment that you are not. I think you would be in a much better position to offer comments and suggestions on the Wheel if you first got a little familiar with it.

CWH

01-15-2011, 07:54 AM

Rose

01-15-2011, 09:48 AM

Thanks Victor for your advice.

What I mean by "targetted" is that why not ask the same question to others such as Joe, basiflo, Endtimes, alec, joel etc. and find out why they do not want to use the Bible Wheel instead of just asking me.

What I am giving is my own frank feedbacks about the BibleWheel and it doesn't matter whether or not one knows the Bible Wheel. One needs to be convinced 1st before one can be motivated to learn and use the BibleWheel. I have read both positive and negative feedbacks about the BibleWheel in the internet and I am still skeptical of the BibleWheel. And that is my frank feedback, and if people are not willing to accept feedbacks, then I might as well keep my mouth shut.

Many Blessings.

Hi Cheow,

If I may ask a "frank" question. What is there to be skeptical about? :confused: The Bible Wheel is ONLY the 66 books of the Bible rolled up into a Chart! Any and All connections that come from that simple act are then interpreted as significant by reader, but the Bible Wheel merely IS what it IS.

Nowhere in any of Richards writings on the Bible Wheel does he say that the Bible Wheel proves anything....he points out connections and relates their significance. If you choose to say that those connections have no meaning then you are perfectly free to do so, but you cannot dispute the fact that when the Bible is rolled up into a chart of 3 cycles, it naturally reveals significant Canon divisions, and connections without any manipulation.

Blessings,
Rose