Stranger than fiction

[alec cotton]

I got to thinking about mysteries : The black dogs of Britain, The beast of Bodmin , the beast of Exmoor . The beast of Dartmoor,The loch ness monster and a few more . A recent one cropped up which revived an interest in me. . I have to backtrack a bit to make sense of it. It might be twenty years or more since I first heard of the experiment concerning the sensitivity of plants. If I remember rightly , a man who used lie detectors professionally fell to musing how long it would take for the water to travel from the root of the plant to the leaf. To cut it short , he clipped the lie detector to the leaf and watered the plant. The plant responded instantly. Even the thought of watering the plant or hurting it triggered a response. Moving on now. Many people talk to their plants and claim that it improves plant growth. The sceptics say ' there is no harm in talking to plants . It is when they start to talk back that you have a problem.. Of course the knowledgeable ones always come up with a rational explanation. This time it was that the carbon dioxide from the breath was beneficial to the plants . Viva science. A little while ago a man who owned a vineyard wanted to discourage unwanted insects and hit on the idea of playing loud music. He installed loud speakers and played classical music. To his amazement the plants grew far better and gave a better yield. In the last few days there was a report on the B.B.C. About an experiment on people talking to plants . This is under laboratory controlled conditions . Ten volunteers took part. They were chosen for their different accents or dialects. The Liverpool ( Liverpudlian or scouse) accent gave the most favourable result and the Irish was last. The things that are not seen are more real than the things that do appear.
Alec

[NumberX]

Well, just think of normal everyday appearances and link them to the Hebrew and you don't have to go abnormal. Come to logic, logos. Logos (pronounced /ˈloʊɡɒs/, /ˈlɒgɒs/ (UK), or /ˈloʊgoʊs/ (US); Greek λόγος logos) is an important term in philosophy, psychology, rhetoric and religion. (...) The Gospel of John identifies the Logos, through which all things are made, as divine (theos) (...) In English, logos is the root of "logic," and of the "-logy" suffix (e.g., geology).
Source: Wikipedia about Logos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos)

Behind the logos
I just think about it, businesses have also logos.There are businesses through which things are made under their logo. Their things are not divine, but sure can be miraculous, like the electronical devices as smartphones we have today. You can read it as imitating the line above about the Gospel of John, it's behind the logos. Another thing that's behind the logo and logos is the many counting, computing. In the languages Greek and Hebrew is the gematria the many counting, computing.

Politicians with their words listen a lot to companies with their logos. (Poli by the way has to do with the Greek language too).

It is like learning about things on the globe that are an image of the word, is it not? You can pronounce "God made the world through His Word" as statement, and then stop with your words about the subject, but one can ask "Well, tell me how? Give me at least one connecion I can understand, I am not a dumb ass".

This post is one more example of it I think.

Now I go push Log Out.

[yahman]

well I think I can one up you on the stranger then fiction, all in good intent

there is a book called the THE MESSAGE FROM WATER by Dr. masaru emoto that would
explain your premise of your post, that is that water is a crystal like hexagonal structure that has
a memory that picks up the vibes (frequency's) of thoughts and of words also
pictures on a glass of water, music also negative or positive I will post a link so you will see what I'm saying
for your self. the bottoms line is bad thoughts or words destroys the water structure there
by making the water not healthy any longer also when you pray over water it comes back
to a healthy state. so the old saying sticks and stones is a lie. We need to change how we think about the world around us. Do your words edify people or brake them down, the water knows !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss69kfHqN1A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_dmYT83ZKY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg&feature=related

So much more on the subject, now you have something to think about!

[Richard Amiel McGough]

well I think I can one up you on the stranger then fiction, all in good intent

there is a book called the THE MESSAGE FROM WATER by Dr. masaru emoto that would
explain your premise of your post, that is that water is a crystal like hexagonal structure that has
a memory that picks up the vibes (frequency's) of thoughts and of words also
pictures on a glass of water, music also negative or positive I will post a link so you will see what I'm saying
for your self. the bottoms line is bad thoughts or words destroys the water structure there
by making the water not healthy any longer also when you pray over water it comes back
to a healthy state. so the old saying sticks and stones is a lie. We need to change how we think about the world around us. Do your words edify people or brake them down, the water knows !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss69kfHqN1A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_dmYT83ZKY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg&feature=related

So much more on the subject, now you have something to think about!
I watched the first two videos, and I saw no verifiable facts ... just a bunch of assertions. This looks like a bunch of water woooooo.

So I did a little Google and found good reason to think the Dr. Emoto is a fake. He has refused to do an authentic scientific test of his "discoveries." There is every reason to think he is a crank (link (http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/04/what_the_bleep_.html)):


The third example was the work of Masura Emoto, who tapes words to bottles of water. The water is chilled and forms into crystals descriptive of the words used. For example, if the word 'love' is taped to a bottle, beautiful crystals form; if the words 'you make me sick' are used, ugly images appear.

What the film makers didn’t say is that Emoto knows the word used, and looks for a crystal that matches that word (biased data selection (http://skepdic.com/selectionbias.html)). To demonstrate a real effect, Emoto would need to be blind to the word used. James Randi has said (http://www.randi.org/jr/052303.html) that if Emoto could perform this experiment double-blinded, it would qualify for the million dollar prize. (He has never applied.) Such a protocol would show there is no correlation between the words taped to a bottle and the crystals formed within. These experiments have not been performed to a scientific protocol and have never been independently replicated.

I simply DESPISE these people who spew their lying crap into the minds of the ignorant and gullible people. So every time I see it, I expose it for what it is.

[yahman]

If that's all you need is to do search to prove something is true or not
you will fined the answer you are looking for, that is not scientific ether
the propaganda is the grate escape from what we just don't wont to believe
keep looking at the others that say other then what you say about the subject
if its all bull in your mined then there you go. I will post a pic of my water test
at home after I prayed over my water and see what happened whats total
b.s to you is some ones blessing, being a sceptic is good. its a way out there
concept just like Tesla was way out there. People will say the same things
about the bible proved by your same method just pic out what you like
and say its fact, I don't buy that at all, do you .. you need to look closer
and do your own homework on new technology and proofs. have
you herd of homeopathy this also proves water memory. how do you
think Snake serum works its this same as homeopathy but some will
try to tell you its all hog wash, oh is it... that's the easy way out of researching
for your self with out any back ground knowledge of the subject

I cant post pic I will e mail it to you or try to post on my username pic

[Richard Amiel McGough]

If that's all you need is to do search to prove something is true or not
you will fined the answer you are looking for, that is not scientific ether
the propaganda is the grate escape from what we just don't wont to believe
keep looking at the others that say other then what you say about the subject
if its all bull in your mined then there you go. I will post a pic of my water test
at home after I prayed over my water and see what happened whats total
b.s to you is some ones blessing, being a septic is good. its a way out there
concept just like Tesla was way out there. People will say the same things
about the bible proved by your same method just pic out what you like
and say its fact, I don't buy that at all, do you .. you need to look closer
and do your own homework on new technology and proofs. have
you herd of homeopathy this also proves water memory. how do you
think Snake serum works its this same as homeopathy but some will
try to tell you its all hog wash, oh is it... that's the easy way out of researching
for your self with out any back ground knowledge of the subject

I cant post pic I will e mail it to you or try to post on my username pic
Hey there Yahman,

It's not "all I need" to prove something is true or not. But it gives me sufficient reason not to waste my time examining it further. The world is filled with claims of this and that, we cant' investigate everything, so we must make choices. If there were any truth to it, then Dr. Emoto would have simply done a double blind scientific study to prove it, and that would be that. But has he done that/ NO! Why not? I don't know, but the likely answer seems pretty obvious - he's not telling the truth.

Now you claim to have done an experiment with a "skeptic" and gotten positive results. Well, that's nice and all, but if you could do it so easily, why doesn't Dr. Emoto do it? And how am I supposed to know if you did your experiment correctly? Mere pictures just won't mean much to me. How did you select the image? There were many crystaline structures that you selected from when you looked at the frozen water, right? Did you just pick the one's you liked? Did you compare many different samples of frozen water? Did you have a control group? Did you follow scientific procedures at all?

If you really want to promote Dr. Emoto's ideas, you should contact him or his supporters and encourage them to do a double blind scientific study and then publish their results. Until they do that, no one will have any reason to believe them.

And yes, I've heard of homeopathy, but I do not know of any "proof" that it works. Can you please post a link to the best proof?

Thanks!

Great chatting,

Richard

[yahman]

Ram, I understand what you are saying and I can see you don't like the Ida I'm not a scientist and I don't think you are either all i can do is way the evidence to my self and try to make some sense of any thing, I may be wrong as you may also be wrong how would you or I prov either way we would just be a talking head from people we don't know anyways. did a man set foot on the moon ? probably ,but Hollywood can fake any so called proof we just don't know any more because we were not there to see it so to say we know anything is just wishful at best I guess I'm just trying to be real and admit the the corporate institutions have lost a lot of credibility because money will buy any answer you need so for me to fallow the Masses is not the narrow path it is the wide one
its just interesting to me and Meany others.we all must choose what we will except I know this is way out of the box if we do research on the scientific discovery's and keep a opined mind there is still a chance you or me or the world is overlooking something profound and important that's all no problem I'm OK with your position and respect you as a person that's ben around a wile and also know plenty of people of the older generations that are so skeptical on any newer info (we all should be ) but if we use the same method of skepticism on what we currently know about the world around us we could blow apart a lot of conventional thinking. proof is relative proof to one is the not proof to another so I will not try to convince you or any one else. its just info just like any thing you learned in school is not proof of a thing in till
we witness, if we do not witness it and think the worst then the bible will not not mean much either. I believe the Scriptures and for that I will also be called crazy, so be it. sholom to all

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Ram, I understand what you are saying and I can see you don't like the Ida I'm not a scientist and I don't think you are either all i can do is way the evidence to my self and try to make some sense of any thing, I may be wrong as you may also be wrong how would you or I prov either way we would just be a talking head from people we don't know anyways. did a man set foot on the moon ? probably ,but Hollywood can fake any so called proof we just don't know any more because we were not there to see it so to say we know anything is just wishful at best I guess I'm just trying to be real and admit the the corporate institutions have lost a lot of credibility because money will buy any answer you need so for me to fallow the Masses is not the narrow path it is the wide one
its just interesting to me and Meany others.we all must choose what we will except I know this is way out of the box if we do research on the scientific discovery's and keep a opined mind there is still a chance you or me or the world is overlooking something profound and important that's all no problem I'm OK with your position and respect you as a person that's ben around a wile and also know plenty of people of the older generations that are so skeptical on any newer info (we all should be ) but if we use the same method of skepticism on what we currently know about the world around us we could blow apart a lot of conventional thinking. proof is relative proof to one is the not proof to another so I will not try to convince you or any one else. its just info just like any thing you learned in school is not proof of a thing in till
we witness, if we do not witness it and think the worst then the bible will not not mean much either. I believe the Scriptures and for that I will also be called crazy, so be it. sholom to all
Hey there Yahman, :yo:

I think there has been a misunderstanding. Whether or not I "like" the idea of water responding to prayers has nothing to do with my reasoning. I think it would be amazing and wonderful. But is it true? Probably not. And why not? Because there is no evidence. The world is filled with claims that would be wonderful if true, but if they are false, they are worse than worthless because they are misleading.

Why do you want to believe things that you don't know are true?

Now as for science - I was trained in Mathematics and Physics at the university. I worked on a PhD in Quantum Physics though I did not complete it. So though I'm not a practicing "scientist" I certainly have a bias in that directlon. Now I don't think everything in life has to be proven by science since there are many things outside that realm, but the claims about "water memory" made by Dr. Emoto are scientific claims, and as far as I know, there is no scientific evidence supporting them. So I have no reason to think his claims are true.

Now as for the moon landing - Yes, you are correct. It would have been technically possible for NASA to fake it. But have you considered what kind of conspiracy would be necessary to pull off such a grand hoax? I won't bore you with the details since it should be obviously impossible. Indeed, it is so obvious I'm quite surprised you suggested it. I find it very strange that you accept things with no evidence and reject things with much evidence. It looks to me that your world is upside down. Your sense of reality is reversed from what it should be.

Now I don't know where you got the idea that I am "skeptical on any newer info." Nothing could be further from the truth. I love new info! I eat it for breakfast every day. But I am very skeptical of extraordinary claims that have no supporting evidence.

You wrote: "I believe the Scriptures and for that I will also be called crazy, so be it." No, you will not be called crazy for your belief, but I find it very revealing that those who believe the Scriptures seem to prone to believe whatever they want without any evidence whatsoever. This is very typical of believers, and it makes their claim that the Bible is true all the more unbelievable.

All the best,

Richard