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[Richard Amiel McGough]

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[CWH]

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I am certainly one person who never believe the end will come in 2012 mainly because the major signs doesn't seems to appear as yet. However, I do believe that a major catastrophe may occur in 2012 as what had happened in the tsunami of 2004, Katrina of 2005, major earthquake in Szechuan in 2008, the flood in Pakistan this year.... looking at the pattern, a major catastrophe happened once about every 2 years on the average.

I am not trying to date set here but just presenting a possible view for no one, not even Jesus and the angels can predict when the end will come except God the Father. This is my personal possible view but I may be wrong and I repeat I am not trying to date set here for I don't believe in date setting. Taking 2,000 years as the dateline, the years that we should be looking for should be about 2033 and 2070 because Christ died in in AD 33 and Jerusalem and the Temple (which represents the Body of Christ) was destroyed in AD 70.

Many Blessings

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I am certainly one person who never believe the end will come in 2012 mainly because the major signs doesn't seems to appear as yet. However, I do believe that a major catastrophe may occur in 2012 as what had happened in the tsunami of 2004, Katrina of 2005, major earthquake in Szechuan in 2008, the flood in Pakistan this year.... looking at the pattern, a major catastrophe happened once about every 2 years on the average.

Yeah - I think that's primarily because of overpopulation, bad planning (like building on flood planes or earthquake faults. And then there is the historical forgetfulness that super big bad things have always been happening throughout history. Remember Pompeii? Whole city was covered in volcanic ash. And remember the black plague of the 14th century? Etc. etc. etc. ... on it goes through time. It seems worse maybe now because more people are effected because of overpopulation, and the fact that we have instant world wide news. Folks never saw live pics of the dead in Pompeii did they?



I am not trying to date set here but just presenting a possible view for no one, not even Jesus and the angels can predict when the end will come except God the Father. This is my personal possible view but I may be wrong and I repeat I am not trying to date set here for I don't believe in date setting. Taking 2,000 years as the dateline, the years that we should be looking for should be about 2033 and 2070 because Christ died in in AD 33 and Jerusalem and the Temple (which represents the Body of Christ) was destroyed in AD 70.

Many Blessings
I understand you don't believe in setting specific dates, but you are constantly suggesting that the end could happen sometime "soon" (whatever that means). So if you are not settings dates like "Jesus will return before the year 2100, what are you saying? Do you agree that Jesus might not come back for 10,000 years? If not, why not? What is the limit? I'm very curious to know ....

All the very best my friend,

Richard

[CWH]

Yeah - I think that's primarily because of overpopulation, bad planning (like building on flood planes or earthquake faults. And then there is the historical forgetfulness that super big bad things have always been happening throughout history. Remember Pompeii? Whole city was covered in volcanic ash. And remember the black plague of the 14th century? Etc. etc. etc. ... on it goes through time. It seems worse maybe now because more people are effected because of overpopulation, and the fact that we have instant world wide news. Folks never saw live pics of the dead in Pompeii did they?

Sometimes, don't you think it is part of God's plan just as he did with the Great Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah. I do believe that Pompeii suffered the same fate as Sodom and Gomorrah because it was a very decadent society. I am not saying that all major catastrophes were God's planning, majority were due to human greed and foolishness resulting in natural interventions.



I understand you don't believe in setting specific dates, but you are constantly suggesting that the end could happen sometime "soon" (whatever that means). So if you are not settings dates like "Jesus will return before the year 2100, what are you saying? Do you agree that Jesus might not come back for 10,000 years? If not, why not? What is the limit? I'm very curious to know ....

All the very best my friend,

Richard

To answer your questions , let's turn to Rose's thread on the "three kosmos" and I would like to thank Rose for doing the futurists a favor:

http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1446&highlight=kosmos

I realized that the 3 kosmos which Rose proposed lasts an average of about 2,000 years each. This is my response:

Thanks Rose for the excellent thread.

But I would simply put it for simplicity's sake that each Kosmos ended with each destruction.

1st Kosmos started with the creation of the earth and ended with the Great Flood (about BC 2500 or 4,500 years ago).

2nd Kosmos started with Noah after the great Flood and ended with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple (AD 70 about 2,000 years ago).

3rd Kosmos started with the end of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple ended with the destruction of earth's creation (with the earth still intact) somewhere in the future....and then a new heaven and a new earth commences.

**Note, Each Kosmos seems to come on an average of every 2,000 years:
1st Kosmos - The creation of the earth (BC 0) to the Great Flood (BC 2500) i.e. 1500 years
2nd Kosmos - Post Great Flood period (BC 2500) to the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70) i.e 2570 years
3rd Kosmos - Post destruction od Jerusalem (AD 70) to end of creation (? say AD 2100) i.e. 2030 years. I stressed the word "say" because no one knows when the end will come except God the Father. A new earth and a new heaven commences.


Many Blessings

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Sometimes, don't you think it is part of God's plan just as he did with the Great Flood and Sodom and Gomorrah. I do believe that Pompeii suffered the same fate as Sodom and Gomorrah because it was a very decadent society. I am not saying that all major catastrophes were God's planning, majority were due to human greed and foolishness resulting in natural interventions.

No ... I can't imagine that God - the judge of the whole earth - would cause all that indiscriminate suffering amongst the innocent children just to punish some sinners. That makes God look really bad. We are taught that he does not act like this in Genesis 18:

Genesis 18:23 And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? 24 Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? 25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? 26 And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
If God would save a wicked city like Sodom for the sake of 50 righteous (ultimately Abraham haggled him down to 10!) then I'm quite sure he would not be deliberately destroying random cities here and their for their sin. What good would that do anyway? Why does God let so many really wicked cities go unpunished? The view that natural disasters are God's judgment makes no sense to me at all.




I understand you don't believe in setting specific dates, but you are constantly suggesting that the end could happen sometime "soon" (whatever that means). So if you are not settings dates like "Jesus will return before the year 2100, what are you saying? Do you agree that Jesus might not come back for 10,000 years? If not, why not? What is the limit? I'm very curious to know ....

All the very best my friend,

Richard
To answer your questions , let's turn to Rose's thread on the "three kosmos" and I would like to thank Rose for doing the futurists a favor:

http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1446&highlight=kosmos

I realized that the 3 kosmos which Rose proposed lasts an average of about 2,000 years each. This is my response:

Thanks Rose for the excellent thread.

But I would simply put it for simplicity's sake that each Kosmos ended with each destruction.

1st Kosmos started with the creation of the earth and ended with the Great Flood (about BC 2500 or 4,500 years ago).

2nd Kosmos started with Noah after the great Flood and ended with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple (AD 70 about 2,000 years ago).

3rd Kosmos started with the end of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple ended with the destruction of earth's creation (with the earth still intact) somewhere in the future....and then a new heaven and a new earth commences.

**Note, Each Kosmos seems to come on an average of every 2,000 years:
1st Kosmos - The creation of the earth (BC 0) to the Great Flood (BC 2500) i.e. 1500 years
2nd Kosmos - Post Great Flood period (BC 2500) to the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70) i.e 2570 years
3rd Kosmos - Post destruction od Jerusalem (AD 70) to end of creation (? say AD 2100) i.e. 2030 years. I stressed the word "say" because no one knows when the end will come except God the Father. A new earth and a new heaven commences.

Many Blessings
Yes, those dates come out to about 2000 years each on average. But you do not believe they are real, do you? I mean, the earth is about 4.5 billion years old in reality, right? So I'm guessing you are talking about the "symbolic age" of the earth that we would get if we added up genealogies and other Biblical info. In that case, it comes to around 4004 BC (Usher's date). Is that what you mean?

Now let's assume something does happen in the next hundred years. Why would you think it would be the standard futurist "second coming" sort of thing? The verses they use to establish their idea of what's going to happen are taken from the prophecies like Matt 24 which begin by talking about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Why would we think they would have anything to do with what's going on now or in the near future?

All the very best,

Richard

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

I realized that the 3 kosmos which Rose proposed lasts an average of about 2,000 years each. This is my response:

Thanks Rose for the excellent thread.
in the future....and then a new heaven and a new earth commences.

**Note, Each Kosmos seems to come on an average of every 2,000 years:
1st Kosmos - The creation of the earth (BC 0) to the Great Flood (BC 2500) i.e. 1500 years
2nd Kosmos - Post Great Flood period (BC 2500) to the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70) i.e 2570 years
3rd Kosmos - Post destruction od Jerusalem (AD 70) to end of creation (? say AD 2100) i.e. 2030 years. I stressed the word "say" because no one knows when the end will come except God the Father. A new earth and a new heaven commences.


Many Blessings

But the third 'kosmos' or age is noted by Paul to be 'world (age) without end" in Eph 3:21 and alluded to in Isaiah 45:17. In the OT its referred to generation after generation.
Dan 4:3 How great [are] his signs! and how mighty [are] his wonders! his kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion [is] from generation to generation. In Jer 31: it says that the international 'seed' of Israel (of the new covenant) would remain on the earth as long as the morning and evening continue.
In Isaiah 65 and 66 written to people still living in the 2nd kosmos or Age, it talks of the new heaven and new earth as being in the time of the New Covenant. Isaiah 66 talks of the time of the end of the temple in 70 AD when the voice of the prophet wandering through the city and a voice from the temple itself were heard. Thus, the "new heaven" and 'new earth' to Isaiah was referring to the "new" ordinances and it's individualized inner mind/spiritual domain in constrast against the 'old' ordinances and domain of mosaic covenant and land area of national Israel's perspective.

And the same is to be considered in 2 Pet 3 where while writing about 60AD the Ordinances (heaven) and Earth (domain) of the mosaic covenant administration were yet to be 'burned' and the elementary principles consumed and judged.

Thus, you have little basis to project a doomsday scenario on a Good God and Good creation and the ability to have a 'good' relationship with Him and others. By doing so; the religious "end of the world'ers" fight against the good progression and expansion of truths of the kingdom of God in the confirmed New covenant principles 'world without end' and generation to generation.

The futurists projections deny that Jesus HAS or IS come in the flesh and more importantly they aid in shutting up or cloud the present "new" covenant ordinance (Heavens) (Jesus and Gods eternal laws from the everlasting covenant of Mercy) and domain (earth) of the individualized and associated God of the Kingdom of God/Jesus.