Deut 18 and the executions of false Christs in the first century

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

As many of you know and from my sig name; I have the perspective that the end of the mosaic covenant was prophesied from the very time of the giving of the covenant by Moses on the first day of the 11th Month (of 13). This covenant and it's prophesied end was recorded in the book of Duet(Duet 29:1) and placed in the ark of the covenant as a testimony AGAINST it.

I view Deut partly as a prophetic timeline of the events and failures of that covenant. Special note of the timeline can be seen in Duet 30 thru Deut 32 which would coincide with Daniels visions and further revelations about the time of the end of the mosaic covenant. This time period would be from the end of the Babylonian captivity to the end ushered in by the Romans.

There is another time factor that I think is played out in history during the time of Christ. Perhaps someone can help me with some confirming historical information.

In Deut 18, it reveals the promise of the NEW Prophet who would administer the new Covenant and which would reveal the inferiority of the old covenant and their uncircumcised hearts. The new prophet would administer the end of the old covenant AND 'destroy' those who did not hear his voice. Jesus claimed to be that Prophet and Peter in Acts 3 reinforced his being the NEW PROPHET and the teachings of Jesus and the Voice of the Spirit being the new Words of God.

In the next few verses it says that if there be false prophets that they should be put to death.

We often read this section as a general rule that the nation of Israel was to judge and kill false prophets and there are likely other instructions within the Pentateuch for stoning false prophets throughout the timeframe of the mosaic covenant nation of Israel.

But since this is connected with the timeframe of the coming of the New Prophet, it seems fitting that hundreds of false prophets were put to death and crucified by I think the Romans after the true "new prophet" had come on the scene.

This perspective would continue the historically progressive narrative nature of the book of Deuteronomy.

Although Peter didn't mention these killing of false prophets in Acts 3; his perspective of a first century destruction of the people who did not hear Jesus' voice came from this section in Duet 18 and the killing of false prophets would seem to be included with this timeframe.

I guess I'm wondering if anyone has some good info from Josephus or Tacticus about the many false prophets that came on the scene and were crucified in the 40's and 50's.

[Rose]

As many of you know and from my sig name; I have the perspective that the end of the mosaic covenant was prophesied from the very time of the giving of the covenant by Moses on the first day of the 11th Month (of 13). This covenant and it's prophesied end was recorded in the book of Duet(Duet 29:1) and placed in the ark of the covenant as a testimony AGAINST it.

I view Deut partly as a prophetic timeline of the events and failures of that covenant. Special note of the timeline can be seen in Duet 30 thru Deut 32 which would coincide with Daniels visions and further revelations about the time of the end of the mosaic covenant. This time period would be from the end of the Babylonian captivity to the end ushered in by the Romans.

There is another time factor that I think is played out in history during the time of Christ. Perhaps someone can help me with some confirming historical information.

In Deut 18, it reveals the promise of the NEW Prophet who would administer the new Covenant and which would reveal the inferiority of the old covenant and their uncircumcised hearts. The new prophet would administer the end of the old covenant AND 'destroy' those who did not hear his voice. Jesus claimed to be that Prophet and Peter in Acts 3 reinforced his being the NEW PROPHET and the teachings of Jesus and the Voice of the Spirit being the new Words of God.

In the next few verses it says that if there be false prophets that they should be put to death.

We often read this section as a general rule that the nation of Israel was to judge and kill false prophets and there are likely other instructions within the mosaic covenant and the Pentateuch for stoning false prophets through the timeframe of the mosaic covenant nation of Israel.

But since this is connected with the timeframe of the coming of the New Prophet, it seems fitting that hundreds of false prophets were put to death and crucified by I think the Romans after the true "new prophet" had come on the scene.

This perspective would continue the historically progressive narrative nature of the book of Deuteronomy.

I guess I'm wondering if anyone has some good info from Josephus or Tacticus about the many false prophets that came on the scene and were crucified in the 40's and 50's.

Here are a couple quotes from Josephus that speak of the presence of false prophets in the years preceding the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70.
Wars of the Jews: book VI
5:2 'A false prophet was the occasion of these people's destruction,who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes.'

5:3 'Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them.

Rose

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1810_clarke_commentary.html

From Clarke's commentary on Matt 24.

Another commentator mentioned that some of these would have been the leaders of the various zealots.


Verse 5. For many shall come in my name— 1. Josephus says, (War, b. ii. c. 13,) that there were many who, pretending to Divine inspiration, deceived the people, leading out numbers of them to the desert, pretending that God would there show them the signs of liberty, meaning redemption from the Roman power: and that an Egyptian false prophet led 30,000 men into the desert, who were almost all cut off by Felix. See Acts 21:38.

It was a just judgment for God to deliver up that people into the hands of false Christs who had rejected the true one. Soon after our Lord’s crucifixion, Simon Magus appeared, and persuaded the people of Samaria that he was the great power of God, Acts 8:9, 10; and boasted among the Jews that he was the son of God.

2. Of the same stamp and character was also Dositheus, the Samaritan, who pretended that he was the Christ foretold by Moses.

3. About twelve years after the death of our Lord, when Cuspius Fadus was procurator of Judea, arose an impostor of the name of Theudas, who said he was a prophet, and persuaded a great multitude to follow him with their best effects to the river Jordan, which he promised to divide for their passage; and saying these things, says Josephus, he deceived many: almost the very words of our Lord.

4. A few years afterwards, under the reign of Nero, while Felix was procurator of Judea, impostors of this stamp were so frequent that some were taken and killed almost every day. Joshua. Ant. b. xx. c. 4. and 7. The SECOND sign, wars and commotions.

[CWH]

Comeon, False Christ and false prophets occurs all the time throuthout the ages. It did not just happened in AD 70. Modern flase prophets are much more than those in the 1st century leading many astray.....Moonists, WWC of God, JW, Mormons etc..."well, it happens all the time, nothing new".

Many BLESSINGS.:pray::pray:... for those who are being lead astray.

[EndtimesDeut32/70AD]

Comeon, False Christ and false prophets occurs all the time throuthout the ages. It did not just happened in AD 70. Modern flase prophets are much more than those in the 1st century leading many astray.....Moonists, WWC of God, JW, Mormons etc..."well, it happens all the time, nothing new".

Many BLESSINGS.:pray::pray:... for those who are being lead astray.

They may be many false teachers and false doctrines such as the ones you mentioned and I'd include Scofield and others like him with that group; but I only recall one fellow who was from the Dominican or south America who started a ministry in florida and who actually claimed to be Christ on earth and that within the last 10 years.

The context of the question and the post relates to the time of the coming of Christ by being the 'new prophet' that was prophesied in Deut 18. I think and am considering that Deut 18 intended to mean that In the same context of time as the coming of the 'new' prophet; and 'new' teacher; those who would be false prophets would die.

Peter in Acts 3 states that "these" (in the generation of 30 plus AD) were the days of the 'new prophet' and those who would not believe in Him; would have their lives required of them. And he connects Deut 18 to his speech.


Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Acts 3:24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. "These days" would have been the days of those who received and heard Peter's speech.

Here is the part from Deut 18;


Deu 18:15 ¶ The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well [spoken that] which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously:[B] thou shalt not be afraid of him.

I was in error by thinking that this section included instruction to stone the prophet; but it only prophesies that the false prophets would die.

Jhn 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.

The mosaic covenant of the book of Deuteronomy was put in the ARk as a testimony AGAINST them.

Jhn 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Jhn 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Jesus claimed (in John 5) to be the prophet that Moses spoke of and later in John claimed to speak the words of God the father. Peter confirmed this connection in Acts 3.

Thus the coming of the 'new prophet' of Duet 18 was fulfilled in the first century and in conjunction with the prophesied time of Messiahs coming in Dan 9. There is so very little reason to consider that any teacher or preacher today is any concept of a Messiah or Christ; but there would have been reason for jews of that day to consider others as Messiah or Christ in the first Century.

It were these false Messiah's and False Christs which the disciples were not to follow into the desert or go after. Others would say.. there he is or this is Him and they were not to heed their words nor follow him (them) into the wilderness. It were these false Christs to whom Jesus was referring to in the Olivet and the first century and who would receive the prophecy of death as stated in Deut 18:20.

2. Of the same stamp and character was also Dositheus, the Samaritan, who pretended that he was the Christ foretold by Moses.

3. About twelve years after the death of our Lord, when Cuspius Fadus was procurator of Judea, arose an impostor of the name of Theudas, who said he was a prophet, and persuaded a great multitude to follow him with their best effects to the river Jordan, which he promised to divide for their passage; and saying these things, says Josephus, he deceived many: almost the very words of our Lord.

Thats obviously not saying that we should be heeding the men you mentioned; but they cannot be 'false Christs' except to those who would not recognize that Christ has and 'IS" come 'in the flesh' in the first Century (and presently in the flesh in the corporal body of the Spirit and Christ) and these who deny his first century coming and completion of work would be of the (s)pirit of anti-christ. To those people these teachers you mentioned could be 'false' christs; but the better phrase would be false teacher. Again, Scofield and other similar teachers you mentioned would fall into this category of false teachers of promoting false doctrines.

Muslims claim that Mohammed was this prophet of Duet 18; but his works did not include the fulfillment of the prophesies regarding the prophet reguarding the cutting off of the jews who did not believe in him and his administering the end of the mosaic covenant. In addition; they would have to accuse Jesus of being a liar because of his words in John 5 and they regard him as being a prophet of God.

I'm mostly posting this evidence of the death of many false prophets and false Christs in the first century in support and consideration of this being a fulfillment of this aspect of the prophesy in Deut 18:20.

[CWH]

What I mean is that false prophets and antichrists occurred throughout the centuries. And till now there are millions of them. So the "last days or the last hour" does not necessarily mean the last days of Mosaic era at AD70. Since false prophets and antichrists happened throughout the ages, it looks like every age throughout the ages is the "last days" and the "last hours". It can even mean this century. What the "last days and last hour" John, Paul, James and Peter meant was probably that this was the last chance or last days for slavation before people in Israel will be killed by the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Remember also that when John wrote the epistle it was in the AD 60s and yet he survived through AD 70 and last till about AD 98. The last days or last hour therefore meant either the last days before the destruction of Jerusalem or the last days before the renewal of the world before the second coming of Christ depending on the context.

1 John 2:18
[ Warning Against Antichrists ] Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

2 Timothy 3:1
[ Godlessness in the Last Days ] But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.

Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

James 5:3
Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days.

2 Peter 3:3
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

Many Blessings.

[selah smiley]

Did Jesus say that he came to destroy the law, or fulfill it? Did he state that not one mark written in the law (torah) would be altered until ALL things would be fulfilled. When did the Alpha and Omega discontinue HIS feasts and commandments, discarding the creation, and the testimony and prophecy contained in each and every scriptural book, and then declare men free of His law that ALONE identifies sin as transgression of His commandments? Please define the word ESTABLISH. Further, explain Messiah's urging "IF you love me, keep my commandments..." IF you do not honor HIS LAW.... perhaps you are not free IN Him, but free OF Him... and as Paul plainly advises: ...there is no further sacrifice for wilfull transgression... SELAH