It Makes No Sense

[Rose]

It makes no sense to try and 'make sense' out of Revelation having a future fulfillment. No matter how had a person tries one can never go backward in time and recreate the environment of 1st century Israel. To try and fit the vision of Revelation into our present time period or the future is an effort in futility. Every prediction of a future fulfillment throughout the centuries that followed the 1st century to present day have ended in failure 100% of the time….no exceptions.

Revelation was the vision given to the Apostle John to warn those living in the pre-AD 70 time period of the destruction of a way of life from a former Covenant which they had lived their lives under. To impose upon Revelation a future fulfillment robs it of its meaning to those it was intended for, and reduces it to no more than a fantasy story.

This is not to say that the eternal truths which the Bible teaches (Revelation being its capstone) do not apply for all time….that is the timeless wonder of Scripture – a Book containing prophecies and their fulfillments that stand as a witness, yet in its complete form still remains a guiding light of eternal truth for all who read its pages.

Take time to study the Bible Wheel (http://www.biblewheel.com/)and you will be amazed at what it reveals about the integrated 'wholeness' of Scripture. It is indeed a true witness for our time.


Rose

[CWH]

Neither does it makes sense to warn Jews, Christians and Gentiles living far away from Jerusalem about its destruction in AD 70. What impact does it concerned them?

Neither does it makes sense the 7 letters to the churches in Revelation which Jesus said He would come and destroy them if they did not repent of their ways. Those churches remained intact up to the 3rd century and some to the Middle ages and the 19th century.

Neither does it makes sense the millennium to be 40 years to AD 70.

Neither does it makes sense that the seals, bowls, woes, plagues, trumpets described in Revelation meant the events of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple without supports from any historical proof.

Neither does it makes sense the 200 million army in Revelation to mean many armies.

Neither does it makes sense the Lake of Fire is nothing but the fire from the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.

Neither does it makes sense the drying of the Euphrates which never occurred in history.

Neither does it makes sense the judgement of the Great white throne happened only to those people living n AD 70.

Neither does it makes sense in Revelation that it refers to try to allegorize everything in Revelation to fit into their theology........

Many Blessings.

[Rose]

Neither does it makes sense to warn Jews, Christians and Gentiles living far away from Jerusalem about its destruction in AD 70. What impact does it concerned them?

Neither does it makes sense the 7 letters to the churches in Revelation which Jesus said He would come and destroy them if they did not repent of their ways. Those churches remained intact up to the 3rd century and some to the Middle ages and the 19th century.

Neither does it makes sense the millennium to be 40 years to AD 70.

Neither does it makes sense that the seals, bowls, woes, plagues, trumpets described in Revelation meant the events of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple without supports from any historical proof.

Neither does it makes sense the 200 million army in Revelation to mean many armies.

Neither does it makes sense the Lake of Fire is nothing but the fire from the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.

Neither does it makes sense the drying of the Euphrates which never occurred in history.

Neither does it makes sense the judgement of the Great white throne happened only to those people living n AD 70.

Neither does it makes sense in Revelation that it refers to try to allegorize everything in Revelation to fit into their theology........

Many Blessings.

It most certainly does make sense to interpret Revelation in the symbolic sense in which it was written. It is obvious from all the symbolism that is used in Revelation that it is not meant to be taken literally.

The Euphrates river is not going to dry up, neither is there going to be a 7 headed beast or a dragon that spews out water from his mouth. God does not sit on a literal white throne in the sky and Christ is not going to come from the clouds on a horse with a two-edge sword in his mouth. I could go on an on, but I'm sure you get the picture.

Rose

[Clifford]

It makes no sense to try and 'make sense' out of Revelation having a future fulfillment. No matter how had a person tries one can never go backward in time and recreate the environment of 1st century Israel. To try and fit the vision of Revelation into our present time period or the future is an effort in futility. Every prediction of a future fulfillment throughout the centuries that followed the 1st century to present day have ended in failure 100% of the time….no exceptions.

Revelation was the vision given to the Apostle John to warn those living in the pre-AD 70 time period of the destruction of a way of life from a former Covenant which they had lived their lives under. To impose upon Revelation a future fulfillment robs it of its meaning to those it was intended for, and reduces it to no more than a fantasy story.

This is not to say that the eternal truths which the Bible teaches (Revelation being its capstone) do not apply for all time….that is the timeless wonder of Scripture – a Book containing prophecies and their fulfillments that stand as a witness, yet in its complete form still remains a guiding light of eternal truth for all who read its pages.

Take time to study the Bible Wheel (http://www.biblewheel.com/)and you will be amazed at what it reveals about the integrated 'wholeness' of Scripture. It is indeed a true witness for our time.


Rose

Hi Rose,

To be fair to the Futurist you can still believe Revelation is yet to be fulfilled but since it was written in the 1st century by a Jew schooled in the Old Testament scriptures it uses 1st century Jewish Old Covenant language to describe future events. Now I believe Revelation is fulfilled primarily because Jesus said the things contained within it were to soon come to pass, and it uses similar language to the Old Testament when speaking of God's judgment against Israel for forsaking their covenant with Him.

Clifford

[CWH]

The question here is "What is soon come to pass"? The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70? Where in Revelation does it says that? Any mention of Roman army in Revelation?....Were the woes, plagues, trumpets, seals, bowls in Revelation recorded in history during the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70? if there are none and no mention whatsoever in history, then the events in Revelation referring to the destruction of Jerusalem are just pure ASSUMPTIONS.

What is come to pass? Is it Christianity to be launched throughout the world starting with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the dispersion of the Jews and Christians?

Many Blessings.

[Clifford]

The question here is "What is soon come to pass"? The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70? Where in Revelation does it says that? Any mention of Roman army in Revelation?....Were the woes, plagues, trumpets, seals, bowls in Revelation recorded in history during the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70? if there are none and no mention whatsoever in history, then the events in Revelation referring to the destruction of Jerusalem are just pure ASSUMPTIONS.

What is come to pass? Is it Christianity to be launched throughout the world starting with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the dispersion of the Jews and Christians?

Many Blessings.

Hi Cheow,

If I were to tell you something was soon to come to pass would you expect it to happen 2000+ years in the future? I certainty hope not.

So when the Bible says something is soon to come to pass why not apply how the term is used in everyday conversations instead of twisting it to mean something else?


Were the woes, plagues, trumpets, seals, bowls in Revelation recorded in history during the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70? if there are none and no mention whatsoever in history, then the events in Revelation referring to the destruction of Jerusalem are just pure ASSUMPTIONS.

You must realize that the book of Revelation mostly uses symbols to describe events, much like the poetic language of the Old Testament when it described God's judgment against nations or peoples. So the woes, plagues, trumpets, seals, bowls were not literal events, but symbolic language to describe God's judgment. Read Psalm 18 for an excellent example of the use of poetic language to describe God's judgment. Here are
verses 7-9 that show what I mean.

Then the earth quaked and trembled.
The foundations of the mountains shook;
they quaked because of his anger.
Smoke poured from his nostrils;
fierce flames leaped from his mouth.
Glowing coals blazed forth from him.
He opened the heavens and came down;
dark storm clouds were beneath his feet.

Now you don't think smoke actually poured forth from his nostrils do you? Or that fierce flames leaped from his mouth?

Since John the writer of Revelation was schooled in the way of the Old Testament language don't you think he would use similar type language to describe God's judgment.

The problem we have is using our literal western mindset to interpret a book that was written by non-western people.

All the best,

Clifford

[CWH]

Hi Clifford,

If you were living in the first century and you saw a firing rifle, how would you describe it with the limited vocabulary and knowledge that was available then?.... a long metal rod that blows out smoke that poured out from its nostril, with fierce flames leaped from it and shoots a small metal arrow creating a loud banging noise. How about a military helicopter firing its canons?.....A metal flying machine with wings that looks like a dragonfly with swords on its mouth that spits smoke which poured from his nostrils;fierce flames leaped from his mouth, glowing coals blazed forth from him.

Matthew 24 and other chapters in Matthew are also symbolic in many areas, should we also read the Gospel of Matthew symbolically and that would mean Jesus death on the cross was symbolic. The Book of Ezekiel is also symbolic why not apply it symbolically wholesale.


Clifford: So when the Bible says something is soon to come to pass why not apply how the term is used in everyday conversations instead of twisting it to mean something else?

It's the same as I put across to you; if millennium is 1,000 years why twist it to mean 40 years to AD 70? If 200 million man army, why twist it to mean many army? These are also terms used in everyday conversations. If there is the Lake of Fire, why twist it to mean the fire from the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70?

Many Blessings to you.