Gospel preached to Israel in desert - what Gospel?

[gilgal]

It is often understood that the gospel is the death burial andresurrection of Jesus Christ. Then what about the gospel preached in the desert or wilderness?


Hebrews 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

[shalag]

It is often understood that the gospel is the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Then what about the gospel preached in the desert or wilderness?
1 Corinthians 10:1-5
1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

[gilgal]

Good point. But how did Moses and Israel know that God is speaking through types and shadows back then? I mean let's take our lives for an example. Our lives are to be Christ-like. When unbelievers see the good that is in us they are reminded of Jesus Christ, which dwells in us.

And I think the same was true back then, before Christ's incarnation, like Moses, Joseph, Noah, Abraham...

But would Israel have understood that the rock ( a lifeless object ) was a type of Christ? Well... now that we look back to study typology we understand. But would they have understood as it is happening at that moment?

[Rose]

Hi Gilgal :yo:


But would Israel have understood that the rock ( a lifeless object ) was a type of Christ? Well... now that we look back to study typology we understand. But would they have understood as it is happening at that moment?

Yes I think they would, because God spoke to them in types and symbols, a good example is God being the Rock.

2Sa 22:32 (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?bnum=10&cnum=22&vnum=32)For who [is] God, save the LORD? and who [is] a rock, save our God?
Psa 18:2 (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?bnum=19&cnum=18&vnum=2)The LORD [is] my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, [and] my high tower.
Psa 89:26 (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?bnum=19&cnum=89&vnum=26)He shall cry unto me, Thou [art] my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

All glory to the Rock of our salvation :pray:

Rose

[gilgal]

Hmmm... If you were present at that time and saw the rock, would you say, "Oh look there's Christ? Or the type of Christ?"

Yeah David, resembled God to a rock, being solid and unshakable. And it's true. But coming back, could they be able to figure it all out ion the spot?

The reason I'm making a big deal out of this is that I would like to know if the gospel was clear unto them as it is unto us, Christ being risen from the dead.

In Acts 7 Stephen referred Israel as the church in the wilderness ( at least in the King James ). So that also makes me wonder if the birth of the church started in Acts 2 or waaaay back in Genesis, or Exodus?

Is the Gospel the entire account of Christ's incarnation, teachings, miracles, death, burial and resurrection?

A while back a Christian friend asked me a question which I found rediculous. He asked me do you preach the Gospel? Isn't our effort in Christian living a preaching of the Gospel?

[shalag]

Hmmm... If you were present at that time and saw the rock, would you say, "Oh look there's Christ? Or the type of Christ?"

Yeah David, resembled God to a rock, being solid and unshakable. And it's true. But coming back, could they be able to figure it all out ion the spot?

The reason I'm making a big deal out of this is that I would like to know if the gospel was clear unto them as it is unto us, Christ being risen from the dead.

In Acts 7 Stephen referred Israel as the church in the wilderness ( at least in the King James ). So that also makes me wonder if the birth of the church started in Acts 2 or waaaay back in Genesis, or Exodus?

Is the Gospel the entire account of Christ's incarnation, teachings, miracles, death, burial and resurrection?

A while back a Christian friend asked me a question which I found rediculous. He asked me do you preach the Gospel? Isn't our effort in Christian living a preaching of the Gospel?

God speaks to Moses: Exodus 17:6 Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock rwc in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock rwc, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink." And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

This is the same word that speaks of God as the Rock. Notice it says "I will stand before you there on the rock." Not only was His presence there - but the rock was not lifeless - it gave water - which preserved their lives.

God sent Israel a deliverer - Moses. God again sent Israel a deliverer - Jesus. The 'church of the wilderness' was baptized in the Red Sea.
1Corinthians 10:2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, They saw their enemies drowned in the same water they had just passed through. Just as Israel felt they were going to die out in the wilderness without water John the Baptist comes from the wilderness again calling people to the water - the Jordan (descent into death). God brought forth 'water from the Rock' and preserved their lives. Jesus brought the 'water of the Word'. All these were not ordinary events. It took faith to believe that it was their God who went before them. When Jesus walked the earth it took the same faith.
John 4:10 (http://www.searchgodsword.org/desk/?query=joh+4:10&translation=nkj&st=1&new=1&sr=1&l=en) -Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water."Even when Jesus was with his disciples - they had a hard time believing. They too had 'witnessed the miracles':
Matthew 14:8 But Jesus, being aware of it, said to them, "O you of little faith, why do you reason among yourselves because you have brought no bread? 9 Do you not yet understand, or remember the five loaves of the five thousand and how many baskets you took up? 10 Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand and how many large baskets you took up? 11 How is it you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread?--but to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees." 12 Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees.The Israelites loved Egypt - many wanted to return - even though they were slaves there. We also love the world - but often after we have been delivered to the gospel - many also desire to return to the world - it's wisdom and pleasures.

The gospel: Just as Peter was called to 'walk on water' - so are we - (Ephesians 5:26) the water of the Word - on the faith and salvation - the gospel - that was delivered to us. Jesus - the same yesterday, today and forever.

Just as Abraham was 'called out' of Ur of the Chaldees (those known as 'astrologers') the Israelites were 'called out' of Egypt. The church, ekklesia, are the 'called out'.

[gilgal]

This is the same word that speaks of God as the Rock. Notice it says "I will stand before you there on the rock." Not only was His presence there - but the rock was not lifeless - it gave water - which preserved their lives.


Good point! So it was clear from the beginning that Jesus was smitten as Moses smote the Rock.


They saw their enemies drowned in the same water they had just passed through. Just as Israel felt they were going to die out in the wilderness without water John the Baptist comes from the wilderness again calling people to the water - the Jordan (descent into death). God brought forth 'water from the Rock' and preserved their lives. Jesus brought the 'water of the Word'. All these were not ordinary events. It took faith to believe that it was their God who went before them. When Jesus walked the earth it took the same faith.

Was there anything written in the bible that the crossing of the Red Sea took 3 days?


They saw their enemies drowned in the same water they had just passed through. Just as Israel felt they were going to die out in the wilderness without water John the Baptist comes from the wilderness again calling people to the water - the Jordan (descent into death). God brought forth 'water from the Rock' and preserved their lives. Jesus brought the 'water of the Word'. All these were not ordinary events. It took faith to believe that it was their God who went before them. When Jesus walked the earth it took the same faith.

What the significance of John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness?

[shalag]

Good point! So it was clear from the beginning that Jesus was smitten as Moses smote the Rock.

Was there anything written in the bible that the crossing of the Red Sea took 3 days?

What the significance of John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness?

Re Ginsburgh: … the Divine state of "pregnancy" until the Divine birth of new souls of Israel on the seventh day of Pesach, the day of the splitting of the Red Sea to give birth to new souls--
Exodus (2) 14:24 (38) = (40/ MEM/ water)
Notice the placement of this verse: God is revealing his 38/ glory to his 2/ house.
Now it came to pass, in the morning watch, that the Lord looked down upon the army of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and cloud, and He troubled the army of the Egyptians.Regarding three days:
Originally Posted by gilgal http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2143#post2143)
Was there anything written in the bible that the crossing of the Red Sea took 3 days?As far as a timeline if it is established that the Red Sea was split on the seventh day of Pesach (Passover) there was yet a three day journey into the wilderness.
Exodus 5:3 (10) So they said, "The God of the Hebrews has met with us. Please, let us go three days' journey into the desert and sacrifice to the Lord our God, lest He fall upon us with pestilence or with the sword."

Exodus (2) 15:22 (37) So Moses brought Israel from the Red Sea; then they went out into the Wilderness of Shur (wall). And they went three days in the wilderness and found no water.
I'm seeing a 10 day tribulation period in this thought. It was the 7th day of Passover that they were crossing the Red sea and yet had 3 more days until they reached the place where they would receive 'water'. Numbers (4) 33 = (37)
1 These are the journeys of the children of Israel, who went out of the land of Egypt by their armies under the hand of Moses and Aaron. 2 Now Moses wrote down the starting points of their journeys at the command of the Lord. And these are their journeys according to their starting points: 3 They departed from Rameses (child of the sun) in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the day after the Passover the children of Israel went out with boldness in the sight of all the Egyptians. 4 For the Egyptians were burying all their firstborn, whom the Lord had killed among them. Also on their gods the Lord had executed judgments. 5 Then the children of Israel moved from Rameses (child of the sun) and camped at Succoth (booths [tabernacle, hiding place). 6 They departed from Succoth (booths [tabernacle, hiding place) and camped at Etham ("with them: their plowshare"), which is on the edge of the wilderness. 7 They moved from Etham (their plowshare) and turned back to Pi Hahiroth* ("place where sedge grows"), which is east of Baal Zephon (lord of the north); and they camped near Migdol (tower). 8 They departed from before Hahiroth("place where sedge grows") and passed through the midst of the sea into the wilderness, went three days' journey in the Wilderness of Etham (their plowshare), and camped at Marah (bitterness [of water; the harlot's end of wickedness]. Hahiroth also called Pi Hahiroth refers to the mouth, in particular likened to the mouth as a 'cave'. A man by the name of David Ells had a revelation of the 'five kings' that Israel pursued into a cave and placed a 'stone' over its mouth to bring about the death of the kings'. He saw the five kings as the five carnal senses which hide in the mouth and which the mouth responds to. We are to respond and speak from faith - from the Word of God - not sight, hearing, smell, taste, and touch.

The 'place where the sedge grows': Sedge - a grass-like plant with triangular stems and inconspicuous flowers.
Originally Posted by gilgal http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2143#post2143) What the significance of John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness?
The word 'wilderness' rbdm can be viewed as the dm clothing/armor rb of a son. I can say this much from my own experience. For eighteen years previous to my present location, I lived in the foothills of the mountains with an artesian well and a generator for electricity. For the past ten years I now live in a literal wilderness area. Many here yet live the subsistence lifestyle. When I came here I was one of the fortunate ones - I had electricity, water and a bathroom. This was considered a luxury and yet still is as some folks here live hauling water and with an outhouse (at 70 below zero). My neighbor less than a mile still hauls water and lives with an outhouse. Not because she desires it. She is in a situation where, even though neighbors help, only God can supply her needs. Three years ago she faced a crisis situation of being alone with no income. Her home is simply a 20 year old plywood structure. She is now responding to God building her character based on faith in what God provides. She will tell you that she is the fortunate one, seeing many who have abundance and yet do not have faith. Town is 200 miles up the road. What groceries come into town come on Thursday. If the store runs out of milk or bread - we wait until the next Thursday for the supplies to come in and hopefully borrow from neighbors who might have what we need. In the summer you might opt to run the 200 miles and pick up some supplies. But at 50-70 below this is not an option. At at these temps the delivery truck may not show up either. I believe that is what the wilderness experience develops - it breaks your dependence on the world to meet your needs and for God to supply them by His own means. This is the 'armor of a son', the helmet of salvation, the breastplate of righteousness, and the sword of the Spirit, the Word of God.

I would say that John the Baptist preached in the wilderness for this reason. To draw people's attention from the world's comfort to God's comfort through faith. Repent and be baptized. Be overwhelmed by the 'water from the Rock' - from the unwavering Word of God. Descend into death to the ways of the world and renew your life in faith in the Word of God - for your health, for your provisions. This is the gospel message.

[gilgal]

Exodus (2) 14:24 (38) = (40/ MEM/ water)
I find the adding of numbers of chapters to books and verses more of a way to guess things. I haven't seen any significance behind it unlike the BibleWheel pattern, and the correlation ( when a word or phrase appears in two places where the sum of it turns out to be the location where the word is found like King of nations adds up to 149 and is found in 14:9 of Genesis and 14:9 in Isaiah but in plural form. )

If there any truth in it I find that I need to master the levels preceding. Before learning about multiplication in grade two I need to learn addition in grade one. Otherwise adding the number would make no sense to me.

Do you have any insight on any biblewheel pattern?

[shalag]

I find the adding of numbers of chapters to books and verses more of a way to guess things. I haven't seen any significance behind it unlike the BibleWheel pattern, and the correlation ( when a word or phrase appears in two places where the sum of it turns out to be the location where the word is found like King of nations adds up to 149 and is found in 14:9 of Genesis and 14:9 in Isaiah but in plural form. )

If there any truth in it I find that I need to master the levels preceding. Before learning about multiplication in grade two I need to learn addition in grade one. Otherwise adding the number would make no sense to me.

Do you have any insight on any biblewheel pattern? On the above verse Exodus 14:24 these numbers did speak to me as relating to that particular verse. Exodus is the 'book of names' - sons of the house. The total of the verse 40 speaks of water. Not only did God just deliver the Israelites, the sons of the house, through the Red Sea walking through the 'walls of water' - He is planning the destruction of the Egyptian army by releasing the walls of water as their army passes through.

It's interesting to compare this verse in Exodus with the book of Matthew - Book 40 / water - you will find it also talks about the sea.


Exodus 14:24
Now it came to pass, in the morning watch, that the LORD looked down upon the army of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and cloud, and He troubled the army of the Egyptians.
Exodus 14:25 And He took off their chariot wheels, so that they drove them with difficulty; and the Egyptians said, "Let us flee from the face of Israel, for the LORD fights for them against the Egyptians."
Exodus 14:26 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Stretch out your hand over the sea, that the waters may come back upon the Egyptians,on their chariots, and on their horsemen.
Exodus 14:27 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and when the morning appeared, the sea returned to its full depth, while the Egyptians were fleeing into it. So the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea.
Exodus 14:28 Then the waters returned and covered the chariots, the horsemen, and all the army of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them. Not so much as one of them remained. Exodus 14:29 But the children of Israel had walked on dry land in the midst of the sea, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.Exodus 14:30 So the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians, and Israel saw the Egyptians dead on the seashore. Exodus 14:31 Thus Israel saw the great work which the LORD had done in Egypt; so the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD and His servant Moses.

Matthew 14:24 - But the boat was now in the middle of the sea, tossed by the waves, for the wind was contrary.
Matthew 14:25 Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, walking on the sea.
Matthew 14:26 -And when the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, "It is a ghost!" And they cried out for fear.
Matthew 14:27 But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, "Be of good cheer! It is I; do not be afraid."
Matthew 14:28 And Peter answered Him and said, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water." Matthew 14:29 So He said,"Come." And when Peter had come down out of the boat, he walked on the water to go to Jesus. Matthew 14:30 But when he saw that the wind was boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink he cried out, saying, "Lord, save me! "Matthew 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and caught him, and said to him, "O you of little faith, why did you doubt?" Matthew 14:32 And when they got into the boat, the wind ceased. You may also want to look at Gen 14:24 in comparison to 1Samuel 14:24.

[gilgal]

You may also want to look at Gen 14:24 in comparison to 1Samuel 14:24.

It has to do with food. But what other connection is there?

The dividing of the Red Sea I thought more relates to the 2nd spoke where on the 2nd Day of creation God divided the waters just as the 2nd book, Exodus.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hmmm... If you were present at that time and saw the rock, would you say, "Oh look there's Christ? Or the type of Christ?"

Yeah David, resembled God to a rock, being solid and unshakable. And it's true. But coming back, could they be able to figure it all out ion the spot?

Hi Gilgal,

No, I really doubt they would have had any knowledge that the Rock was Messiah. They would have understood perhaps that the Rock was a symbol of God, since the OT teaches that, but the idea of "types" doesn't apply till the NT. There is a difference between symbols and types. And remember that the revelation is progressive through time.


The reason I'm making a big deal out of this is that I would like to know if the gospel was clear unto them as it is unto us, Christ being risen from the dead.
I think the "Gospel" of righteousness through faith was clear to all Abraham's children, though many of them seemed to forget it and try to be righteous through works. And the Gospel was preached to Abraham in Gen 22 and elsewhere, so I know there was some knowledge ... but I think it was probably mostly implicit. If you asked most Jews, they couldn't have expressed the Gospel as we know it. Again, that's an example of progressive revelation.


In Acts 7 Stephen referred Israel as the church in the wilderness ( at least in the King James ). So that also makes me wonder if the birth of the church started in Acts 2 or waaaay back in Genesis, or Exodus?
Good question! In one sense, the church started with Abraham, and grew like an Olive Tree in his descendants. The in Acts 2 the Olive Tree blossomed with the coming of the Holy Spirit, and the Christian Church was born. But it was the same Olive Tree, just blossomed and transformed and filled with the Holy Spirit and knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus Christ which began with our father Abraham, the Father of many Goyim (= Gentiles or Nations, that's what Gen 17:4 actually says!)



Is the Gospel the entire account of Christ's incarnation, teachings, miracles, death, burial and resurrection?
Another good question! The Gospel is the message of God's Love (that's a mathematical identity (http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/gr_577.asp)) that includes "the entire account of Christ's incarnation, teachings, miracles, death, burial and resurrection," but I'm not sure how fruitful it would be to try to limit it to a short definitional paragraph. But it might be fun to try ... we might learn to get down to essentials that way.


A while back a Christian friend asked me a question which I found rediculous. He asked me do you preach the Gospel? Isn't our effort in Christian living a preaching of the Gospel?

That reminds me of one of the most famous quotes of St. Francis of Assisi:

"Preach the Gospel at all times, and if necessary, use words."

Richard

[Richard Amiel McGough]

God speaks to Moses: Exodus 17:6 Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock rwc in Horeb; and you shall strike the rock rwc, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink." And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel.

This is the same word that speaks of God as the Rock. Notice it says "I will stand before you there on the rock." Not only was His presence there - but the rock was not lifeless - it gave water - which preserved their lives.
I think this is an extremely powerful TYPE of Christ. Especially since Christ gives us "living waters" - just like the prophetic Temple in Ezekiel, and so in John Christ reveals that He is the Temple, and He will give the Living Water. The fact that Moses had to strike the Rock reminds us of the Rock of Ages, cleft for me.


God sent Israel a deliverer - Moses. God again sent Israel a deliverer - Jesus. The 'church of the wilderness' was baptized in the Red Sea. They saw their enemies drowned in the same water they had just passed through. Just as Israel felt they were going to die out in the wilderness without water John the Baptist comes from the wilderness again calling people to the water - the Jordan (descent into death). God brought forth 'water from the Rock' and preserved their lives. Jesus brought the 'water of the Word'. All these were not ordinary events. It took faith to believe that it was their God who went before them. When Jesus walked the earth it took the same faith. Even when Jesus was with his disciples - they had a hard time believing. They too had 'witnessed the miracles': The Israelites loved Egypt - many wanted to return - even though they were slaves there. We also love the world - but often after we have been delivered to the gospel - many also desire to return to the world - it's wisdom and pleasures.
Yep! Even when we see the most mighty miracles, how quickly we forget! Imagine building the golden calf just months after watching God part the Red Sea!


The gospel: Just as Peter was called to 'walk on water' - so are we - (Ephesians 5:26) the water of the Word - on the faith and salvation - the gospel - that was delivered to us. Jesus - the same yesterday, today and forever.
This is what makes the Word come alive - the proper God-inspired typological reading. Beautiful! That's why the seminaries usually kill faith. They don't teach typology at all, or if they mention it, they fill your mind with fear about how "dangerous" it is!


Just as Abraham was 'called out' of Ur of the Chaldees (those known as 'astrologers') the Israelites were 'called out' of Egypt. The church, ekklesia, are the 'called out'.
There is a strong linguistic connection between the Hebrew qahal (congregation) and the Greek ekklesia. Both are very similar to the qol (voice, call) root.

Richard

[shalag]

It has to do with food. But what other connection is there?

The dividing of the Red Sea I thought more relates to the 2nd spoke where on the 2nd Day of creation God divided the waters just as the 2nd book, Exodus.I mentioned this only because there were similarities in verse numbers as well as content. It has no connection to the exodus theme that I know of. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse the issue.

[gilgal]

I mentioned this only because there were similarities in verse numbers as well as content. It has no connection to the exodus theme that I know of. Sorry, didn't mean to confuse the issue.

No Problem Shalag.

But where do you find the analogy of the 5 kings having to do with the 5 senses? I've heard of that before but don't know the source.

[shalag]

No Problem Shalag.

But where do you find the analogy of the 5 kings having to do with the 5 senses? I've heard of that before but don't know the source.

Like I stated above - it was in a sermon that David Eells had published and it witnessed to me as confirmation of what the Lord was showing me about guarding my mouth. "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks". We react to what we see and hear by speaking out. We also react to what we smell and taste and can be very vocal about touching things - especially if it hurts. The way we respond witnesses of the Lord we are serving.

I just looked up the five kings of Midian as a comparison. This is also an interesting progression of names. Midian means 'strife or contention'. The princes/kings of Midian were:


Joshua 13:2 all the cities of the plain and all the kingdom of Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon, whom Moses had struck with the princes of Midian: Evi (my desire/lusting after), Rekem (weaving with colors (blue, purple), Zur (a rock), Hur (to bore (a hole, as the hole of an asp), and Reba (sprawled on four (for copulation of woman with beast) , who were princes of Sihon (warrior) dwelling in the country.This reminds me that we fight against powers and principalities, against rulers of the darkness, and spiritual wickedness in high places. Another group of five kings hid in the cave of Makkedah:
Joshua 10:3 Wherefore Adonizedek (my lord is righteous) king of Jerusalem (teaching of peace)
sent unto Hoham (whom Jehovah impels) king of Hebron (association (with magic charms) ,
and unto Piram (like a wild ass) king of Jarmuth (exaltation),
and unto Japhia (to shine / show thyself) king of Lachish (invincible),
and unto Debir (sanctuary) king of Eglon (calf-life (to revolve around (as the most important element), These five kings were given into the hand of Joshua who hung them.

Joshua 10:15 Then Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp at Gilgal. 16 But these five kings had fled and hidden themselves in a cave at Makkedah. 17 And it was told Joshua, saying, "The five kings have been found hidden in the cave at Makkedah (place of shepherds)."Our mouth is often likened to a cave. Its a dark place with a stone (tongue) at its opening - sealed until the mouth is opened. Notice these five kings of teaching peace, associated with divination, exaltation, as invincible, and self-important hid out in the place of shepherds. But Joshua/ Jesus 'hung each one of them on a tree'.

[shalag]

Genesis 3:13 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../Gr/GR_Database.asp?bnum=1&cnum=3&vnum=13&InContext=Yes#v13) And the LORD God said unto the woman, What isthat thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. This verse has a sum of 3692

Matthew 4:23 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?bnum=40&cnum=4&vnum=23&InContext=Yes#v23) And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.I find it interesting that the value of 'preaching the gospel of the kingdom' - κηρυσσων1778 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=1778) το370 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=370) ευαγγελιον577 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=577) της508 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=508) βασιλειας459 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=459) - as an antidote for the sin is also a sum of 3692.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

This verse has a sum of 3692
I find it interesting that the value of 'preaching the gospel of the kingdom' - κηρυσσων1778 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=1778) το370 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=370) ευαγγελιον577 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=577) της508 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=508) βασιλειας459 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=459) - as an antidote for the sin is also a sum of 3692.
Good find! I'm surprised you didn't mention that the sum of Micah 3:8 is also 3692:


Micah 3:8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.


Richard

[shalag]

Originally Posted by gilgal http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/showthread.php?p=2143#post2143)
What the significance of John the Baptist preaching in the wilderness?
How about this thought:
Proverbs 21:19 better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman. [I]2305 Jerusalem was in bondage with her children. The heads of the Jewish nation were angry and contentious, especially when Jesus was given over to be crucified. The antidote for the angry and contentious woman:
πνευματος1146 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=1146) αγιου484 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=484) μερισμοις675 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=675) 2305 'gifts of the Holy Ghost' Song of Solomon 3:6 Who is this that cometh out of the wilderness 904 like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense, with all powders of the merchant.

Song of Solomon 8:6 Who [is] this that cometh up from the wilderness, 904 leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth [that] bare thee.
Proverbs 25:4 Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer. 904 John the Baptist is an interesting numeric equation:
John the Baptist ιωαννης1119 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=1119) ο70 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=70) βαπτιστης1101 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/../GR/GR_Database.asp?Gem_Num=1101) 2290

Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end : for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. [B]2290

John 19:22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written. 2290