Absalom a type of Christ? It seems to be!!!

[gilgal]

Absalom had no blemish and hung on a tree. He was the king's son and rode on a mule.



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2 Samuel 14
25 But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him.
2 Samuel 18
9 And Absalom met the servants of David. And Absalom rode upon a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was taken up between the heaven and the earth; and the mule that was under him went away.
2 Samuel 18
10 And a certain man saw it, and told Joab, and said, Behold, I saw Absalom hanged in an oak.
2 Samuel 18
14 Then said Joab, I may not tarry thus with thee. And he took three darts in his hand, and thrust them through the heart of Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak.

[Victor]

That's correct! Here's another one: his death constituted "tidings" (= good news = Gospel!).

That's because Christ became sin for us, as it is written:

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
It would be good if we could list the similarities.

[n8n]

There seem to be some interesting similarities.
Yet Absalom came with much pride. Jesus with servanthood.
Absalom hung in his beauty. Jesus hung on the tree with no beauty.

Isa 52:13 - 15 Behold, My Servant shall deal prudently; He shall be exalted and extolled and be very high. Just as many were astonished at you, So His visage was marred more than any man, And His form more than the sons of men; So shall He sprinkle many nations. Kings shall shut their mouths at Him; For what had not been told them they shall see, And what they had not heard they shall consider.
Isa 53:1 Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, [There is] no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, [our] faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

[gilgal]

Let me rephrase my posting:
Absalom is a type or shadow of Christ. Upon reading the life of Absalom I've considered him as evil because he was rebellious against King David his father. Whereas David committed adultery with his neighbor's wife and killed his neighbor, Absalom slept with his father's concubines openly as a sign of disrespect against his father. David regretted his sins and became passive or tried to be soft on his sons. He was too soft on Amnon who raped Absalom's sister. But Absalom took his vengeance ad killed him. His 1st child from the adultery was killed by God even though David fasted and slept on the ground for his son.

Then Absalom was killed by one of David's captains Joab against David's will.

Absalom a type of Christ? It seems to be!!!
Absalom had no blemish and hung on a tree. He was the king's son and rode on a mule.

But there are some similarities between Absalom and Jesus Christ. They were both considered and without blemish.
2 Samuel 14
25 But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him.
Blemish is the term used for the passover lamb. When the lamb is found spotless and without blemish after 4 days of testing (from the 10th day to the 14th day of the first month) he is to be sacrificed.

When Jesus entered Jerusalem he was tested from the 10th day of the 1st month to the 14th by trial. But since none of the accusations stood against him because they contradicted each other he was killed anyways.

Absalom being a king's son rode upon a mule. When Jesus told his disciples to go get the specific mule, when some on questions them they were to say the Lord says so. And they let them borrow the mule fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. Absalom hung on a tree but didn't die but Jesus died on the tree/cross. But they were both stabbed/pierced. Absalom died when Joab stabbed him with 3 darts. But Jesus was pierced when he was dead already:

2 Samuel 18
9 And Absalom met the servants of David. And Absalom rode upon a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was taken up between the heaven and the earth; and the mule that was under him went away.
10 And a certain man saw it, and told Joab, and said, Behold, I saw Absalom hanged in an oak.
14 Then said Joab, I may not tarry thus with thee. And he took three darts in his hand, and thrust them through the heart of Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak.

As you mentioned Victor the good news told in 2 Samuel 18 is parallel to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Of course this is a shadow of good things to come but not the very image of the things. It has its' twists because all creatures are imperfect before God. Therefore Jesus Christ being God in the flesh is our perfection. Where Adam failed Christ fulfilled. Where Israel failed in the wilderness Christ fulfilled.

[gilgal]

recap:


2Samuel 14
25But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him.

Exodus 12
5Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

2Samuel 14
12And Absalom sent for Ahithophel the Gilonite, David's counselor, from his city, even from Giloh, while he offered sacrifices. And the conspiracy was strong; for the people increased continually with Absalom.

Judas betrays Jesus.

2Samuel 15
23And all the country wept with a loud voice, and all the people passed over: the king also himself passed over the brook Kidron, and all the people passed over, toward the way of the wilderness.

(Do you think the term passed over can be associated with the passover?)

John 18
1When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

2Samuel 14
23And when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his ass, and arose, and gat him home to his house, to his city, and put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried in the sepulchre of his father.

Matthew 27
5And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.



2Samuel 18
9And Absalom met the servants of David. And Absalom rode upon a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was taken up between the heaven and the earth; and the mule that was under him went away...
14Then said Joab, I may not tarry thus with thee. And he took three darts in his hand, and thrust them through the heart of Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak.
15And ten young men that bare Joab's armor compassed about and smote Absalom, and slew him...
27And the watchman said, Me thinketh the running of the foremost is like the running of Ahimaaz the son of Zadok. And the king said, He is a good man, and cometh with good tidings.

If there is an alphanumerical link between 2 Samuel and the Gospels it might be that the chapters of 2Samuel would link with the days. For example 2Samuel 14 where Absalom is without blemish would be linked with the 14th day of Nisan, the passover day.

[Victor]

There seem to be some interesting similarities.
Yet Absalom came with much pride. Jesus with servanthood.
Absalom hung in his beauty. Jesus hung on the tree with no beauty.


Good points! And they end up being links themselves! The link is determined by contrast in such cases.

Not only are there several direct connections between Absalom's story and Christ's Passion, there are also diametrically opposed situations that strenghten the correlation.

[Victor]

2Samuel 14
12And Absalom sent for Ahithophel the Gilonite, David's counselor, from his city, even from Giloh, while he offered sacrifices. And the conspiracy was strong; for the people increased continually with Absalom.

Judas betrays Jesus.

2Samuel 14
23And when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his ass, and arose, and gat him home to his house, to his city, and put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried in the sepulchre of his father.

Matthew 27
5And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

You see, there are points in common between Absalom and Christ on one side and between David and Christ on the other. Ahithophel betrayed David and later hanged himself just like Judas betrayed Jesus and later hanged himself.

Both David and Absalom are types. In Christ subsists the conflict between the stories of these two men. On one side Christ is the anointed and beloved of the Lord like David. On the other, He becomes a curse like Absalom. Each type is not enough to fully picture the Cross event. The unsettled tension between the two types is only resolved by the antitype. As David says in the last verse of 2 Samuel 18:
2Sa 18:33 And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!


2Samuel 15
23And all the country wept with a loud voice, and all the people passed over: the king also himself passed over the brook Kidron, and all the people passed over, toward the way of the wilderness.

(Do you think the term passed over can be associated with the passover?)


If you look you'll find that the Hebrew words are not the same, but the concept is. David left Jerusalem that had become like Egypt because of Absalom. David and his men passed over the brook just like Moses and the Israelites passed over the Red Sea. In both stories they head to the wilderness.

This is David's Exodus. The Passover story is the type, David's escape is the antitype. David's escape is not only an antitype of the Exodus story but also a type of Christ's Passover.

You found the following link:




John 18
1When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

That's an excellent find. It is a unique link between 2 Samuel 15:23 and John 18:1. Christ left with his disciples over the brook Cedron just like David did.



2Samuel 14
23And when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his ass, and arose, and gat him home to his house, to his city, and put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried in the sepulchre of his father.

Matthew 27
5And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.



2Samuel 18
9And Absalom met the servants of David. And Absalom rode upon a mule, and the mule went under the thick boughs of a great oak, and his head caught hold of the oak, and he was taken up between the heaven and the earth; and the mule that was under him went away...
14Then said Joab, I may not tarry thus with thee. And he took three darts in his hand, and thrust them through the heart of Absalom, while he was yet alive in the midst of the oak.
15And ten young men that bare Joab's armor compassed about and smote Absalom, and slew him...
27And the watchman said, Me thinketh the running of the foremost is like the running of Ahimaaz the son of Zadok. And the king said, He is a good man, and cometh with good tidings.

Just like Absalom's hair was caught hold of the oak, Christ's head received the crown of thorns. Absalom was "taken up between the heaven and the earth" like Christ when He was elevated on a tree. The good tidings were proclaimed after the death of Absalom and Christ by both Jewish and Gentile messengers.


If there is an alphanumerical link between 2 Samuel and the Gospels it might be that the chapters of 2Samuel would link with the days. For example 2Samuel 14 where Absalom is without blemish would be linked with the 14th day of Nisan, the passover day.

Have you found others?

Thank you for you great recap!
Victor

[gilgal]

You see, there are points in common between Absalom and Christ on one side and between David and Christ on the other. Ahithophel betrayed David and later hanged himself just like Judas betrayed Jesus and later hanged himself.

Both David and Absalom are types. In Christ subsists the conflict between the stories of these two men. On one side Christ is the anointed and beloved of the Lord like David. On the other, He becomes a curse like Absalom. Each type is not enough to fully picture the Cross event. The unsettled tension between the two types is only resolved by the antitype. As David says in the last verse of 2 Samuel 18:
2Sa 18:33 And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!


If you look you'll find that the Hebrew words are not the same, but the concept is. David left Jerusalem that had become like Egypt because of Absalom. David and his men passed over the brook just like Moses and the Israelites passed over the Red Sea. In both stories they head to the wilderness.

This is David's Exodus. The Passover story is the type, David's escape is the antitype. David's escape is not only an antitype of the Exodus story but also a type of Christ's Passover.

You found the following link:



That's an excellent find. It is a unique link between 2 Samuel 15:23 and John 18:1. Christ left with his disciples over the brook Cedron just like David did.



Just like Absalom's hair was caught hold of the oak, Christ's head received the crown of thorns. Absalom was "taken up between the heaven and the earth" like Christ when He was elevated on a tree. The good tidings were proclaimed after the death of Absalom and Christ by both Jewish and Gentile messengers.



Have you found others?

Thank you for you great recap!
Victor
The word exile appears in chapter 15. This wasn't meant to be a thread on the innerwheels but it seems similar to Exodus 15 and Ezra (well he was post exile). In chapter 15 Absalom had returned and David was in exile.

[Unregistered]

When we look at the scripture with right and wrong. Then we can not see the shadow of Christ in the old statement.
Absalom's act was evil in and out. But he is the type of Christ in that, he was opposed by his father's army.
Jesus was opposed by His father's army so called people who followed the Moses Torah.
David represent here as father God and absalom as son Jesus. Joab represent the Jewish Religious devotee's and he killed Absalom without mercy
which represents the cross of Jesus Christ.
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[duxrow]

When we look at the scripture with right and wrong. Then we can not see the shadow of Christ in the old statement.
Absalom's act was evil in and out. But he is the type of Christ in that, he was opposed by his father's army.
Jesus was opposed by His father's army so called people who followed the Moses Torah.
David represent here as father God and absalom as son Jesus. Joab represent the Jewish Religious devotee's and he killed Absalom without mercy
which represents the cross of Jesus Christ.
:bawl:
Ugh! God's son Jesus was 100% obedient -- Vain Absalom the opposite, the hair of his head bringing his death. Now our 'HEAD', 1Cor11:3 is God!
David's grief over Absalom maybe the way God looks at us, for our disobedience.. You think? :thumb: