Islam and preterism

[Screaming Eagle]

What's the preterist viewpoint on the rise of islam in history? From a preterist viewpoint, how/why would such a thing happen and unfold the way it has? :eek:

[Richard Amiel McGough]

What's the preterist viewpoint on the rise of islam in history? From a preterist viewpoint, how/why would such a thing happen and unfold the way it has? :eek:
That's a good question!

Some Historicists see Islam as the Beast rising - just look how they have treated Christians.

How do you see them fitting in to your prophetic understanding?

Myself, they are no different than any other group of sinners that are still outside the Gates of the New Jerusalem (though some of them are very dangerous and have murder on their minds). They can enter whenever they want. The Gates are always open, and the call from the Spirit and the Bride remains:

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Richard

[Screaming Eagle]

Jer 16:14 ¶ Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; (KJV)
Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. (KJV)
Jer 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. (KJV)

Ask yourself 'who' the 'hunter' is. The 'fishers' are obviously the church. Esau and before him Nimrod were known as the 'hunters'. This is also one of the scripture passages that indicates a second exodus back to the land of Israel. And He will meet them there face to face.

[Screaming Eagle]

Jeremiah also says there will be a great harvest from among Muslims also. And if you've ever met a Muslim that's converted to Christianity, you'll know it.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Jer 16:14 ¶ Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; (KJV)
Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. (KJV)
Jer 16:16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. (KJV)

Ask yourself 'who' the 'hunter' is. The 'fishers' are obviously the church. Esau and before him Nimrod were known as the 'hunters'. This is also one of the scripture passages that indicates a second exodus back to the land of Israel. And He will meet them there face to face.
You are interpreting this passage without any understanding of it's context. Jeremiah was pronouncing judgment upon Jerusalem for their sins! This is a prophecy against Jerusalem declaring that God would cast them out of the land of Israel. It is a prophecy of the Babylonian exile that Jeremiah witnessed and recorded in Lamentations:
Jeremiah 16:9 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride. 10 And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the LORD pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the LORD our God? 11 Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the LORD, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and have forsaken me, and have not kept my law; 12 And ye have done worse than your fathers; for, behold, ye walk every one after the imagination of his evil heart, that they may not hearken unto me: 13 Therefore will I cast you out of this land into a land that ye know not, neither ye nor your fathers; and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; where I will not shew you favour. 14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; 15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers. 16 Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. 17 For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.
What were those "hunters" and "fishers" doing? They were they hunting and fishing throughout the land of Israel to gather up the sinners of Jerusalem so they could be dragged away into the Babylonian exile! The hunters and fishers were the Babylonians! Why were the Jews hiding in the "holes of the rocks?" They were hiding from the Babylonians so they wouldn't be dragged away into exile!

Now I can see how you could miss this if you read it without looking at the verses that come immediately before and after. You focused on God's promise to return Israel from Babylon that He inserted into the midst of the judgment. I highlighted that part in blue. Obviously, he returns to the theme of judgment in verses 16 and 17.

Note also that this judgment on Jerusalem is nearly identical to the judgment on Mystery Babylon (apostate Jerusalem) in Revelation:
Revelation 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
The fact that Mystery Babylon represents apostate Jerusalem is confirmed in verse 24 which is identical to Christ's prophecy against Jerusalem just before the Olivet Discourse:
Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
And the time statement of verse 36 confirms the fact that Christ's words were fulfilled in the first century.

I could go on like this for hours and hours showing how the Preterist view is the only view built upon what the Bible actually says and means in context. Everything confirms everything else.

Great chatting!

Richard