Mystery surrounding tabernacle construction

[derekkye]

Exodus 30:11-16
11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
12 When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.
13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs:) an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.
14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.
15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
16 And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

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Numbers 1:1-3
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;
3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.

The command to number Israel came when the tabernacle was already reared up. And every man's offering of them that were numbered was half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary to be used for the service of the sanctuary. And we are told that their 1/2 shekel offering was used in the construction of the tabernacle - Exodus 38:25,26,27 - And the silver of them that were numbered of the congragation was an hundred talents, and a thousand seven hundred and threescore and fifteen shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary: A bekah for every man, that is, half a shekel, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for every one that went to be numbered, from twenty years old and upward, for six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty men. And of the hundred talents of silver were cast the sockets of the sanctuary, and the sockets of the vail; an hundred sockets of the hundred talents, a talent for a socket.

So basically the silver used in the construction of the tabernacle came by the offering of each man that was numbered, and the command to number them was given after the tabernacle was constructed. According to how we think this is illogical. Understanding this mystery remains an undertaking of mine.

[joel]

Exodus 30:11-16
11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
12 When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.
13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs:) an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.
14 Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.
15 The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
16 And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

&&

Numbers 1:1-3
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;
3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.

The command to number Israel came when the tabernacle was already reared up. And every man's offering of them that were numbered was half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary to be used for the service of the sanctuary. And we are told that their 1/2 shekel offering was used in the construction of the tabernacle - Exodus 38:25,26,27 - And the silver of them that were numbered of the congragation was an hundred talents, and a thousand seven hundred and threescore and fifteen shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary: A bekah for every man, that is, half a shekel, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for every one that went to be numbered, from twenty years old and upward, for six hundred thousand and three thousand and five hundred and fifty men. And of the hundred talents of silver were cast the sockets of the sanctuary, and the sockets of the vail; an hundred sockets of the hundred talents, a talent for a socket.

So basically the silver used in the construction of the tabernacle came by the offering of each man that was numbered, and the command to number them was given after the tabernacle was constructed. According to how we think this is illogical. Understanding this mystery remains an undertaking of mine.

I'm unclear as to what you see as a mystery?

There were two numberings....the first to collect the silver to construct the tabernacle...as an atonement for their souls. The numbering concerned every male in the 12 tribes, 20 years and older...totalling 603,550 (Ex. 38:26).

The second numbering occurred the following year, in preparation for warfare. The same men were numbered, totalling 603,550 (Numbers 1:46).

The Lord God proved that no one had perished in the wilderness. If He would sustain them in the wilderness, He would sustain in warfare in the land.

Did you think that these were the same event?

Joel

[derekkye]

Joel - then perhaps you can also explain the tabernacle mentioned in Exodus 33:7 - And Moses took the tabernacle, and pitched it without the camp... seeing the tabernacle hadn't been built yet

To say they numbered them twice when there is no evidence of that is presumptuous - you wouldn't have to number the men again to prove that none died - you would just have to number the dead bodies - 0 to prove that none died...so there is great mystery surrounding the tabernacle

[derekkye]

Joel said: "There were two numberings....the first to collect the silver to construct the tabernacle...as an atonement for their souls. The numbering concerned every male in the 12 tribes, 20 years and older...totalling 603,550 (Ex. 38:26)."


So you are saying there was a numbering to collect the silver when in fact it says in Exodux 35:4,5 - And Moses spake unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the Lord commanded, saying, Take ye from among you an offering unto the Lord: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the Lord; gold, and silver, and brass,

so you see Joel the material for the construction of the tabernacle came by way of freewill offering and not by a numbering of the people

[joel]

derekkye,

I wasn't challenging what you said......only trying to understand your goal.

It is good to have those joining in these discussions who bring forth treasures from His word. Please continue......I am a fellow laborer for Him,.......as are others who post here.

Joel

[derekkye]

Sorry Joel if my tone seems one of frustration.

I have a lot of questions involving mysteries in God's word, and few answers. When I make a post about such a mystery it seems people have the answer, and dismiss the mystery as something trivial. Hard not to get frustrated. I will try to contain myself.

The tabernacle is God's abode so I suspect there to be great mystery surrounding it. Even trying to reconsruct the tabernacle to see what it looks like is difficult despite the building instructions that are given.

Have a good evening: :pop2:

[joel]

I whole-heartedly agree with you that the tabernacle, tent, temple, et al represent one of key revelations of God.....no doubt about it.

Please feel free to express more of your thoughts concerning this profound subject. I, for one, will not dismiss whatever you may say.

I also agree that we need to be careful not to blow off our fellow laborers as if we know, and they do not.......

Afterall, Paul was a "tentmaker" by trade....so this theme carries through the full counsel of God.

Grace and peace to you,

Joel

[Robert]

What exactly does the construction and pattern of the Tabernacle mean?