Psalms

[Triple Nine]

The Psalms are divided into 5 books as follows:

Psalms 1-41: Book 1
Psalms 42-72: Book 2
Psalms 73-89: Book 3
Psalms 90-106: Book 4
Psalms 107-150: Book 5

Does anyone know of any connection of these 5 books of the Psalms
in relation to the Pentateuch; the first five books of the Bible?

[ccc]

Psalm 90 marks the first of 17 psalms (psalms 90-106) referred to as the "numbers" book of psalms.

In Revelation, the victors over the image, mark and number of the beast sing two specific songs ... one being the "Song of Moses".

Psalm 90 is a song of Moses. Like the 17 psalms (90-106) Moses song consists of 17 verses.

As noted by Augustine, the numbers 1 to 17 sum at the same as the number of fish that Peter counted ... 153

The victors over the "number" of the beast is recorded for us in Revelation ... 15:3

As noted, the "numbers" book of psalms consist of Psalms 90-106.

90+91+92+93+94+95+96+97+98+99+100+101+102+103+104+ 105+106 = 1666

Coincidence?

[joel]

Triple Nine asked;

"Does anyone know of any connection of these 5 books of the Psalms
in relation to the Pentateuch; the first five books of the Bible?"
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Yes, based on Richard's Biblewheel configuration, the first five books are located on spokes 1-5, which is the first symetrical set of 5 (which, when you count them together, 3 spokes x 3 (the depth of each spoke) = 15 books.
Psalms falls within the set of 5 Wisdom books which are corresponding to the last 5 spokes of the wheel.
It is my "hypothesis" (untested at this time) that the 15 books of the first 5 spokes are related to the last 15 books of the last 5 spokes in special ways.
This total of 30 books are placed in a symmetry (which may also place the other 36 books (12 x 3) in a special relation to each other. Richard has shown certain symmetries throughout his work, both in the book and on the site.

Joel

[joel]

CCC said;

"Psalm 90 marks the first of 17 psalms (psalms 90-106) referred to as the "numbers" book of psalms."
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Thanks for that input.

I made a comment to Triple Nine (your are Triple C, CCC),
that Psalms has a symmetry with spokes 1-5.

Your observation supports that. To look further into the correlation, I make the assumption that the 5 scrolls of Psalms correspond to the 1st 5 spokes.
The fourth scroll, consisting of Psalms 90-106) would then correspond to the fourth spoke, which upon initial observation holds true (especially Numbers and Galatians).

Joel

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Psalm 90 marks the first of 17 psalms (psalms 90-106) referred to as the "numbers" book of psalms.

In Revelation, the victors over the image, mark and number of the beast sing two specific songs ... one being the "Song of Moses".

Psalm 90 is a song of Moses. Like the 17 psalms (90-106) Moses song consists of 17 verses.

As noted by Augustine, the numbers 1 to 17 sum at the same as the number of fish that Peter counted ... 153

The victors over the "number" of the beast is recorded for us in Revelation ... 15:3

As noted, the "numbers" book of psalms consist of Psalms 90-106.

90+91+92+93+94+95+96+97+98+99+100+101+102+103+104+ 105+106 = 1666

Coincidence?

Hi CCC,

Since this is my first post to you, let me say Welcome to our forum!

:welcome:


Your insights are intriguing. They prompted me to look at the alphanumeric structure of the Psalm, and the first thing that leaped out was the fact that both the title and the first verse of Psalm 90 are multiples of 17:

17 x 76 = A Prayer of Moses the man of God.
17 x 92 = Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

And the sum is 24 x 7 x 17 = 2856.

So here we have a group of 17 Psalms that begins with a Psalm that has with 17 verses and that opens with a verse that coherently subdivides in accordance with its grammar into two multiples of 17. And the sum of the verse happens to have a large common divisor with 1666:

1666 = 14 x 7 x 17
2856 = 24 x 7 x 17

So their difference is 2856 - 1666 = 10 x 7 x 17.

And their Greatest Common Divisor is GCD(2856, 1666) = 238 = 2 x 7 x 17

And I've always like the number 1666 since I discovered it in Psalm 119:18:

173 = Open my eyes

1666 = that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.

Sum of verse = 1839 = 3 x 613

Note that 173 is linked to 153 through this pair of identities:

173 = I am the Lord thy God (with I am = Anoki, see Exodus 20:2 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Gr/GR_Database.asp?bnum=2&cnum=20&vnum=2&getverse=Go) in the DB)
153 = I am the Lord thy God (with I am = Ani see Isaiah 43:3 (http://www.biblewheel.com/Gr/GR_Database.asp?bnum=23&cnum=43&vnum=3&getverse=Go) in the DB)

Now whether the sum from 90 to 106 = 1666 is a "coincidence" with regards to the content of Psalm 90, I can not tell. The biggest challenge in our line of work is to discern between chance and design. The most reliable method seems to be whether or not there is a "large enough" set of independent lines that converge on a single significant and meaningful point. In the present example, this is not clear to me, so these observations will sit on the shelf of my mind until some additional information links them together in a stronger pattern.

But they are intriguing ... thanks for pointing them out!

Richard

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Triple Nine asked;

"Does anyone know of any connection of these 5 books of the Psalms
in relation to the Pentateuch; the first five books of the Bible?"
--------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, based on Richard's Biblewheel configuration, the first five books are located on spokes 1-5, which is the first symetrical set of 5 (which, when you count them together, 3 spokes x 3 (the depth of each spoke) = 15 books.
Psalms falls within the set of 5 Wisdom books which are corresponding to the last 5 spokes of the wheel.
It is my "hypothesis" (untested at this time) that the 15 books of the first 5 spokes are related to the last 15 books of the last 5 spokes in special ways.
This total of 30 books are placed in a symmetry (which may also place the other 36 books (12 x 3) in a special relation to each other. Richard has shown certain symmetries throughout his work, both in the book and on the site.

Joel
I agree. If there is any reality to the correlation between the Five Books of the Torah with the Five divisions of the Psalms, then we would expect there to be a correlation with the other books on the Spokes corresponding to the five books of the Torah too.

And as for the correlation of the other books (30 total) symmetry suggests that they would be correlated too. I have found many such patterns that connect books symmetrcially placed on the Wheel. For example, the Major Prophets correspond to the Five Books of NT Narrative (reflected across the vertical line of bilateral symmetry). And in both cases, we have 5 books written by 4 authors. (Jeremiah wrote 2 books, and Luke wrote 2 books). Then on the third Cycle we see a variation on this 5/4 pattern on the last five Spokes where we find 5 books with 4 written by one author. Here's a pic of some of these patterns:

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/Symmetries_2a.gif

I talk about them more here: http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/symmetries.asp

Richard

[ccc]

Greetings all and thanks for the welcome Richard.

I followed your thread at Theology Web. You did not receive much encouragement there. I recall some years back, asking Vernon Jenkins if he was aware of any "converts" among the mathematical "experts" as a result of his findings ... his answer ... zilch.

May the Lord encourage you both.

You said in part: "Now whether the sum 90 to 106 = 1666 is a "coincidence" with regards to the content of Psalm 90 ..... "

At this time, I feel that it may be more related to the content of Rev 13:18 and Rev 15:3 (the numbering of the beast) rather than Psalm 90, but just a thought.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Greetings all and thanks for the welcome Richard.

I followed your thread at Theology Web. You did not receive much encouragement there. I recall some years back, asking Vernon Jenkins if he was aware of any "converts" among the mathematical "experts" as a result of his findings ... his answer ... zilch.
It appears to be nearly impossible for the modern academic mind to receive the Bible as the Word of God. The amazing thing is that they have spent the last century tracing out the most tenuous patterns to support their JEPD theory, but can not look at the pattern of the Bible Wheel long enough to even form a coherent refutation.

My experience with "intellectuals" has convinced me that no person has ever failed to put their faith in Christ because of valid intellectual objections.


May the Lord encourage you both.
Thank you.


You said in part: "Now whether the sum 90 to 106 = 1666 is a "coincidence" with regards to the content of Psalm 90 ..... "

At this time, I feel that it may be more related to the content of Rev 13:18 and Rev 15:3 (the numbering of the beast) rather than Psalm 90, but just a thought.

Yes, I noticed you were making those connections too. What is your take on the number of the beast? Do you believe there will be a high tech implant style fulfillment, or that it is symbolic of all who trust in their works (6 being the number of work)? Or something else?

Richard

[ccc]

Hi Richard you said:

'Yes, I noticed you were making these connections too. What is your take on the number of the beast? Do you believe there will be a high tech implant style fulfillment, or that it is symbolic of all who trust in their works (6 being the number of work)? Or something else?

It would be 'something else' Richard.

I am not a preterist or partial preterist, so I do not believe that Nero is the numbered beast (Nrn Qsr). Having said that, I do share the understanding of the partial preterists and historicists regarding AD 70, and that the book of Revelation was written prior to the destruction of the temple.

I find it almost impossible to believe that John of Patmos would not have mentioned this most significant event of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple if Revelation was written after it’s destruction in AD 70.

I am not a futurist, so I do not believe their latest 'suspect' (whoever that may be!) is the numbered beast. Nor do I believe the sensationalism of much of their hyper literal interpretations … chip implants, bar codes etc..

I would best fit the category of historicist or 'partial historicist'.
I hope that isn’t a 'no no' here!

PS … regarding another possible significance of 17. The 17th chapter of Revelation deals exclusively with the great whore and Mystery Babylon.

Here is wisdom … Let he that hath understanding count …

IQ = intelligence quotient. I is our 9th letter, Q our 17th … 9 x 17 = 153

It was the distinguished professor JA Emerton that stated that the mystery of the 'sign in the net' 153 may be solved by the same principle used for the numbering of the beast ie. … gematria.

Richard, any further posts of mine will likely be in the eschatology section as I have a deep interest in God’s purpose for His sign in the net, and the 'measurement' of the wall of 144 cubits in Rev 21. As an amateur musician, I also have an interest in the 'new song' of the 144k … a song that is not understood. I think it most significant that this group immediately follow the numbering of the beast. Rev 14.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard you said:

'Yes, I noticed you were making these connections too. What is your take on the number of the beast? Do you believe there will be a high tech implant style fulfillment, or that it is symbolic of all who trust in their works (6 being the number of work)? Or something else?

It would be 'something else' Richard.

I am not a preterist or partial preterist, so I do not believe that Nero is the numbered beast (Nrn Qsr). Having said that, I do share the understanding of the partial preterists and historicists regarding AD 70, and that the book of Revelation was written prior to the destruction of the temple.

I find it almost impossible to believe that John of Patmos would not have mentioned this most significant event of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple if Revelation was written after it’s destruction in AD 70.

I am not a futurist, so I do not believe their latest 'suspect' (whoever that may be!) is the numbered beast. Nor do I believe the sensationalism of much of their hyper literal interpretations … chip implants, bar codes etc..

I would best fit the category of historicist or 'partial historicist'.
I hope that isn’t a 'no no' here!
Hi ccc,

Actually, its much closer to a Yes! Yes! (in my book anyway, but there are a lot of folks here with a broad variety of takes on prophecy and Revelation. But I let them hang around cuz I'm nice that way :lol:)

I think the lack of mention of the destruction of the Temple proves that all the books of the Bible were written prior to 70 AD. And I am convinced that this belief would be universal in academia if it could be used to denigrate the Bible. The only reason the academics reject it is because it destroys their ridiculous theories about how the Bible "evolved" in the latter part of the first century and ealry second century. And they need that theory because it is the only way to explain how a book like the Bible could come to be without divine guidance. ... oops. I just noticed I was "ranting". Sorry! :o


PS … regarding another possible significance of 17. The 17th chapter of Revelation deals exclusively with the great whore and Mystery Babylon.
Correct. And that links directly to the meaning of the 17th Hebrew letter Pey, as explained here in my Rev 17 (http://www.biblewheel.com/InnerWheels/Revelation/Rev17.asp) article.


Here is wisdom … Let he that hath understanding count …

IQ = intelligence quotient. I is our 9th letter, Q our 17th … 9 x 17 = 153

It was the distinguished professor JA Emerton that stated that the mystery of the 'sign in the net' 153 may be solved by the same principle used for the numbering of the beast ie. … gematria.
Well, he was not the first with that insight!


Richard, any further posts of mine will likely be in the eschatology section as I have a deep interest in God’s purpose for His sign in the net, and the 'measurement' of the wall of 144 cubits in Rev 21. As an amateur musician, I also have an interest in the 'new song' of the 144k … a song that is not understood. I think it most significant that this group immediately follow the numbering of the beast. Rev 14.

OK - see you there!

God bless,

Richard

[ccc]

Richard, that is quite the connection you have between Rev 17 and Isaiah 17. Never realized that before.

Regarding Emerton and gematria linking the sign in the net and the number of the beast, and your comment "Well, he was not the first with that insight!"

Do you recall if Panin made that connection? I have some of his works, but dont remember if he did.

PS ... Happy to learn that I am not a "no no" here ... at least not yet!

blessings,
ccc

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Richard, that is quite the connection you have between Rev 17 and Isaiah 17. Never realized that before.
Great! Glad you liked it.


Regarding Emerton and gematria linking the sign in the net and the number of the beast, and your comment "Well, he was not the first with that insight!"
Actually, I was thinking of Augustinewho talked about 153 as the sum of the numbers from 1 to seventeen way back in the fifth century. I wasn't thinking of 666 when I made that comment.


Do you recall if Panin made that connection? I have some of his works, but dont remember if he did.
I don't recall, no. But I do know that many folks have noted that both 153 and 666 are triangular.


PS ... Happy to learn that I am not a "no no" here ... at least not yet!

blessings,
ccc
Glad you realize you are on Probation sir! We run a pretty tight ship around here. :lol: