Could these be one and the same?

[gregoryfl]

I noticed in my study recently of Daniel's account of the heavenly vision, which is repeated in Revelation, that the throne is said to be fire, and that a river of fire comes out from him, from his throne.

Dan 7:9 I watched until thrones were set up and the Ancient One, who has lived for endless years, sat down. His clothes were as white as snow and the hair on his head was like pure wool. His throne was fiery flames, and its wheels were burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A river of fire flowed. It came from him. Thousands and thousands served him. Ten thousand times ten thousand were stationed in front of him. The court convened, and the books were opened.

When I read of the account in Revelation, this time a river of water of life is seen coming from his throne:

Rev 22:1 The angel showed me a river filled with the water of life, as clear as crystal. It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb.

So I got to meditating on this, and it was like the Lord told me that the fire and water are the same thing, it is the same river flowing from him, the fire for the destruction of anything ungodly and the purification of what is of God, while the water is for the nourishment and life of all that is of God.

I am not looking for any discussion on this, but just want to hear from anyone if they see the same thing, or if different.

Ron

[Rose]

I noticed in my study recently of Daniel's account of the heavenly vision, which is repeated in Revelation, that the throne is said to be fire, and that a river of fire comes out from him, from his throne.

Dan 7:9 I watched until thrones were set up and the Ancient One, who has lived for endless years, sat down. His clothes were as white as snow and the hair on his head was like pure wool. His throne was fiery flames, and its wheels were burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A river of fire flowed. It came from him. Thousands and thousands served him. Ten thousand times ten thousand were stationed in front of him. The court convened, and the books were opened.

When I read of the account in Revelation, this time a river of water of life is seen coming from his throne:

Rev 22:1 The angel showed me a river filled with the water of life, as clear as crystal. It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb.

So I got to meditating on this, and it was like the Lord told me that the fire and water are the same thing, it is the same river flowing from him, the fire for the destruction of anything ungodly and the purification of what is of God, while the water is for the nourishment and life of all that is of God.

I am not looking for any discussion on this, but just want to hear from anyone if they see the same thing, or if different.

Ron

Very good insights Ron!

Have you also noticed Rev. 4:5 and Rev. 15:2?

Rev. 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightning’s and thundering and voices: and [there were]seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.


Rev. 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, [and] over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
God Bless

Rose

[gregoryfl]

Yes Rose! That really got my hamster wheel turning while I was at work today. :) I wanted to add more to what we have so far:


It appears as though these seven lamps of fire, the seven spirits of God, God's spirit in completeness being likened to fire, and then then the sea of glass, speaking of calmness, with fire in it.

And yet another correlation...

Rev 4:5 Lightning, noise, and thunder came from the throne. Seven flaming torches were burning in front of the throne. These are the seven spirits of God.
Rev 4:6 In front of the throne, there was something like a sea of glass as clear as crystal.


Rev 22:1 The angel showed me a river filled with the water of life, as clear as crystal. It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb.

Rev. 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire:

Perhaps this is the meaning of what Jesus spoke of when he said:

Luk 3:16 John replied to all of them, "I baptize you with water. But the one who is more powerful than I is coming. I am not worthy to untie his sandal straps. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

I have been taught that the baptism with the Holy Spirit was the good baptism, and the one with fire is the destructive, bad one we don't want. However, I have come to see that they are one and the same. God's spirit is both water AND fire, and we have been baptized in both.

While it is easy to only think of fire as destructive, and in a negative light, like you said, it purifies. In fact, that is the Greek word for fire, pur, where we get our English word pure from. It only consumes and destroys what is consumable, things not of God. At the same time it purifies that which is not consumable, things which are of God. And the best news of all is, we are of God!

As I was doing my termite job, another insight came to me I wanted to share that really hit home with me. Remember this verse I shared earlier?

Rev 4:5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, and the sound of thunders; and seven lamps of fire were burning before his throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Rev 4:6 And before the throne, as it were a sea of glass like crystal;

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were, a sea of glass mixed with fire.

I asked the Lord, what is the significance of the sea being as glass? My mind went to a sea that was totally calm. Imagine if you saw such a sight. Would it not look like glass? A sea, normally turbulent and restless, in total peace and rest.

The sea of glass along with the fire pictures the amazing fact that, despite all the fiery trials that we go through, which serves to reveal the gold (picturing God's nature) that we possess, we are at peace, in total and utter rest, like a sea of glass.

The rest of humanity is likened to a sea as well, only they are described in this way:

Isa 57:20 But the wicked are like the churning sea. It isn't quiet, and its water throws up mud and slime.
Isa 57:21 "There is no peace for the wicked," says my God.
Jud 1:13 Their shame is like the foam on the wild waves of the sea.

Each of us has our own fire to go through, yet in it all, you read of this sea of glass, this total peace, as we drink of life's water free. There is peace in the midst of the fire. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego did so literally, in shadow. We do today, in reality.

Ron

[Rose]

Yes Rose! That really got my hamster wheel turning while I was at work today. :) I wanted to add more to what we have so far:


It appears as though these seven lamps of fire, the seven spirits of God, God's spirit in completeness being likened to fire, and then then the sea of glass, speaking of calmness, with fire in it.

And yet another correlation...

Rev 4:5 Lightning, noise, and thunder came from the throne. Seven flaming torches were burning in front of the throne. These are the seven spirits of God.
Rev 4:6 In front of the throne, there was something like a sea of glass as clear as crystal.


Rev 22:1 The angel showed me a river filled with the water of life, as clear as crystal. It was flowing from the throne of God and the lamb.

Rev. 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire:

Perhaps this is the meaning of what Jesus spoke of when he said:

Luk 3:16 John replied to all of them, "I baptize you with water. But the one who is more powerful than I is coming. I am not worthy to untie his sandal straps. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

I have been taught that the baptism with the Holy Spirit was the good baptism, and the one with fire is the destructive, bad one we don't want. However, I have come to see that they are one and the same. God's spirit is both water AND fire, and we have been baptized in both.

While it is easy to only think of fire as destructive, and in a negative light, like you said, it purifies. In fact, that is the Greek word for fire, pur, where we get our English word pure from. It only consumes and destroys what is consumable, things not of God. At the same time it purifies that which is not consumable, things which are of God. And the best news of all is, we are of God!

As I was doing my termite job, another insight came to me I wanted to share that really hit home with me. Remember this verse I shared earlier?

Rev 4:5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, and the sound of thunders; and seven lamps of fire were burning before his throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Rev 4:6 And before the throne, as it were a sea of glass like crystal;

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were, a sea of glass mixed with fire.

I asked the Lord, what is the significance of the sea being as glass? My mind went to a sea that was totally calm. Imagine if you saw such a sight. Would it not look like glass? A sea, normally turbulent and restless, in total peace and rest.

The sea of glass along with the fire pictures the amazing fact that, despite all the fiery trials that we go through, which serves to reveal the gold (picturing God's nature) that we possess, we are at peace, in total and utter rest, like a sea of glass.

The rest of humanity is likened to a sea as well, only they are described in this way:

Isa 57:20 But the wicked are like the churning sea. It isn't quiet, and its water throws up mud and slime.
Isa 57:21 "There is no peace for the wicked," says my God.
Jud 1:13 Their shame is like the foam on the wild waves of the sea.

Each of us has our own fire to go through, yet in it all, you read of this sea of glass, this total peace, as we drink of life's water free. There is peace in the midst of the fire. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego did so literally, in shadow. We do today, in reality.

Ron

It's also very interesting to note the many descriptions of God and Christ in Daniel and Revelation that contain fire.


Dan. 10:6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.

Rev. 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Rev. 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;


Rev. 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Rev.19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

Rev. 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Rose