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Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 10:45 am

RAMcGough wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 9:48 am

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 8:36 am

you said so once

What exactly do you think I said?

what you exactly said I don't know anymore, but that you were acquainted with his works

That's accurate. I read widely. Anyone who has studied gematria to any depth would likely be familiar with his works, especially if they were not Christian as was the case with me at that time). Even so, I was always mystified how a man who openly delights in wickedness could have collected so much insight into gematria (mixed with a lot was no good at all). But I understand now. He was drawing from the treasure of God's Wisdom as revealed in the Holy Bible, despite his open rejection of Christ. He was a very sad man.

God used gematria to lead me to Christ. I had been studying Hebrew gematria for a couple years and had become so convinced that I wondered if I might become a Jew. But Christ had other plans. I'll never forget the wonderment I felt when I saw the value of His Name

JESUS = 888

I had already worked out many Hebrew words and phrases relating to that number. I knew it was the value of Messiah spelled full:

Mem (90) + Shin (360) + Yod (20) + Chet (418) = 888

When I saw that, God's Spirit lit it up in my soul and I remembered THE LORD WHO SAVED ME when I was a totally lost 19 year old kid confused by drugs and grief after my father's suicide (which left me an orphan since my mother had been absent since I was a baby). God sent an evangelist name John to preach the Gospel. I resisted, thinking I was "too smart" to believe such fairy tales. John persisted. He led a youth group for troubled kids. He took me to a Praise the Lord festival in Vancouver Washington. Everyone seemed crazy, claiming God told them this and God told them that. By the second day, I was very frustrated and went off by myself. I prayed my first sincere prayer, with tears. I said "God, you talk to everyone else. Why don't you talk to me?" God said "Read Psalm 27". So that's what I did, and my heart burst open in a flood of tears as I read verse 10:

Psa 27:10 When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

I KNEW that God Almighty was talking to ME. He directly addressed the central tragedy my life. How I could ever fall away after that seems like a mystery, but now I understand it as God's perfect will. But that's another story. Now I can sing Psalm 136 with the renew heart He has given me. With pure joy in the LORD!

1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.

2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.

4 To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever.

5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.

6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.

7 To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever:

8 The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever:

9 The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

10 To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever:

11 And brought out Israel from among them: for his mercy endureth for ever:

12 With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for his mercy endureth for ever.

13 To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever:

14 And made Israel to pass through the midst of it: for his mercy endureth for ever:

15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever.

16 To him which led his people through the wilderness: for his mercy endureth for ever.

17 To him which smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:

18 And slew famous kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:

19 Sihon king of the Amorites: for his mercy endureth for ever:

20 And Og the king of Bashan: for his mercy endureth for ever:

21 And gave their land for an heritage: for his mercy endureth for ever:

22 Even an heritage unto Israel his servant: for his mercy endureth for ever.

23 Who remembered us in our low estate: for his mercy endureth for ever:

24 And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for his mercy endureth for ever.

25 Who giveth food to all flesh: for his mercy endureth for ever.

26 O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Psa 27:10 When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up.

Psalms 27:10, https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cd ... rashi/true
For my father and my mother have forsaken me, but the Lord gathers me in.


Rashi
כִּֽי־אָבִ֣י וְאִמִּ֣י עֲזָב֑וּנִי For my father and my mother have forsaken me. At the time of coitus, they intended their own pleasure. As soon as their pleasure is over, this one turns his face this way and that one turns her face the other way.

וַֽ֜יהֹוָה יַֽאַסְפֵֽנִי but the Lord gathers me in. The Holy One, blessed be He, guards the droplet and forms the fetus.

you were deluded by KJV
https://biblehub.com/psalms/27-10.htm


And it says nothing about Jesus

JESUS = 888

I had already worked out many Hebrew words and phrases relating to that number. I knew it was the value of Messiah spelled full:

Mem (90) + Shin (360) + Yod (20) + Chet (418) = 888

Mem = 80

Moreover, then aleady you were mixing up gematria- values

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 11:46 am Pslams 27:10, https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cd ... rashi/true
For my father and my mother have forsaken me, but the Lord gathers me in.


Rashi
כִּֽי־אָבִ֣י וְאִמִּ֣י עֲזָב֑וּנִי For my father and my mother have forsaken me. At the time of coitus, they intended their own pleasure. As soon as their pleasure is over, this one turns his face this way and that one turns her face the other way.

וַֽ֜יהֹוָה יַֽאַסְפֵֽנִי but the Lord gathers me in. The Holy One, blessed be He, guards the droplet and forms the fetus.

Rashi is free to state his opinions. You are free to agree with him. As for me, I will rely on the Spirit of God for insight into the meaning of His Word. Of course, there three need not be in disagreement, though they often are.

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 11:46 am it says nothing about Jesus

It's all about Jesus. You just can't see Him because you don't believe in Him.

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 11:46 am

JESUS = 888

I had already worked out many Hebrew words and phrases relating to that number. I knew it was the value of Messiah spelled full:

Mem (90) + Shin (360) + Yod (20) + Chet (418) = 888

Mem = 80

Yes, that's ONE of the values you can use for mem. There are no rules about how to spell the letters, and Jewish tradition often spells them different to discover different "truths". See the table below.

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 11:46 am Moreover, then aleady you were mixing up gematria- values

No, I wasn't mixing anything. As I explained, I had been studying Hebrew gematria for a couple years and had already found a number of significant connections to the number 888, one of which being the full spelling of messiah. I didn't know any Greek gematria yet. But while searching through any book I could find relating to gematria, someone mentioned that Jesus = 888. I didn't "mix" - I merely noticed that the two values matched, and that seemed significant since messiah is translated as "Christ" in Greek. This then opened my eyes, and began studying Greek gematria. Over the years, I found irrefutable evidence of an amazingly advanced mathematical design (using group theory, cyclotomic polynomials, complex roots of unity, Discrete Fourier Transform, etc.) that unites the Hebrew and Greek gematria of Genesis and John.

It's very strange that you are able to play with Hebrew and Greek gematria, but are blind to the supernatural integration of Genesis and John.

I asked Grok to list all the variations of the spellings when the letters are used in milui. I also asked for links to verify the values used for mem = 90. It made a table for me and said this:

GROK: Yes, the variant fuller (plene) spelling for the letter Mem (מ) in traditional Jewish gematria milui is indeed מים (meim/mayim), which sums to 90 (Mem=40 + Yod=10 + Mem=40). This is based on the letter's name being pronounced "meim" (similar to "mayim" meaning "water"), and sources confirm this full spelling is used in some contexts, contrasting with the standard/defective spelling מם=80.

Here are reliable links verifying this spelling and association (I've focused on educational/Kabbalistic/linguistic sources; you can visit them to see the explicit mentions):

- [Balashon - Hebrew Language Detective: mem](https://www.balashon.com/2006/11/mem.html) – Explains the letter name "mem" is directly related to מים (mayim, "water"), with the full spelling tied to it.

- [Abarim Publications: Meaning of the Hebrew Alphabet](https://www.abarim-publications.com/Heb ... aning.html) – States "Mem, מים, מים (mayim) means waters," explicitly using מים as the spelling for the letter Mem.

- [Gabriele Levy: The letter MEM](https://gabrielelevy.com/pages/the-letter-mem) – "The letter Mem is water mayim מים," confirming the spelling מים for the letter name in Kabbalistic context.

- [Theory of Knowledge: An Alternative Approach (Hebrew tag)](https://mytok.blog/tag/hebrew) – Discusses "The letter Mem is water mayim מים," linking it to wisdom/Torah in Kabbalah.

These sources show the traditional connection, and in milui calculations, using מים yields 90. If you need more (e.g., explicit 90 calculations), let me know for deeper searches!
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Letter	Standard Milui Spelling	Transliteration	Variants (if any)	Milui Value(s)
א	אלף	Alef-Lamed-Peh	None common	111
ב	בית	Bet-Yod-Tav	None common	412
ג	גימל	Gimel-Yod-Mem-Lamed	גמל (alt. spelling, shorter)	83 (standard) / 73 (alt.)
ד	דלת	Dalet-Lamed-Tav	None common	434
ה	הי / הה / הא	Hey-Yod / Hey-Hey / Hey-Alef	Three main: הי (15), הה (10), הא (6)	15 / 10 / 6
ו	ויו / ואו / וו	Vav-Yod-Vav / Vav-Alef-Vav / Vav-Vav	Three main: ויו (22), ואו (13), וו (12)	22 / 13 / 12
ז	זין	Zayin-Yod-Nun	None common	67
ח	חית	Chet-Yod-Tav	None common	418
ט	טית	Tet-Yod-Tav	None common	419
י	יוד	Yod-Vav-Dalet	None common	20
כ	כף	Kaf-Peh	None common	100
ל	למד	Lamed-Mem-Dalet	None common	74
מ	מם	Mem-Mem	מים (occasional fuller)	80 (standard) / 90 (alt.)
נ	נון	Nun-Vav-Nun	None common	106
ס	סמך	Samekh-Mem-Kaf	None common	120
ע	עין	Ayin-Yod-Nun	None common	130
פ	פה	Peh-He	None common	85
צ	צדי	Tsadi-Dalet-Yod	None common	104
ק	קוף	Kof-Vav-Peh	None common	186
ר	ריש	Resh-Yod-Shin	ראש (occasional alt.)	510
ש	שין	Shin-Yod-Nun	None common	360
ת	תו	Tav-Vav	תיו (occasional alt.)	406

RAMcGough wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:22 pm
Rashi is free to state his opinions. You are free to agree with him. As for me, I will rely on the Spirit of God for insight into the meaning of His Word. Of course, there three need not be in disagreement, though they often are.

Hebrew Psalms 27:10 has "ki" כִּֽי־אָבִ֣י וְאִמִּ֣י עֲזָב֑וּנִי
I thought it to be causal

But I see it can carry more meanings
כִּֽי
that yea, indeed
when (of time)when, if, though (with a concessive force)
because, since (causal connection)
but (after negative)
that if, for if, indeed if, for though, but if
but rather, but
except that
only, nevertheless
surely
that is
but if
for though
forasmuch as, for therefore

yet i do stick to Rashi's explanation
it is in line with what he said on Genesis 2:24 https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cd ... rashi/true
"basar echad" one flesh. The fetus is formed by them both, and there [in the child] their flesh becomes one. — [from Sanh. 58a]

Yes, that's ONE of the values you can use for mem. There are no rules about how to spell the letters, and Jewish tradition often spells them different to discover different "truths". See the table below.

Now you do the same to serve your "truth"

It's very strange that you are able to play with Hebrew and Greek gematria, but are blind to the supernatural integration of Genesis and John.

supernatural integrated in your phantasy

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Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:01 pm

RAMcGough wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 12:22 pm
Rashi is free to state his opinions. You are free to agree with him. As for me, I will rely on the Spirit of God for insight into the meaning of His Word. Of course, there three need not be in disagreement, though they often are.

Hebrew Psalms 27:10 has "ki" כִּֽי־אָבִ֣י וְאִמִּ֣י עֲזָב֑וּנִי
I thought it to be causal

But I see it can carry more meanings
כִּֽי
that yea, indeed
when (of time)when, if, though (with a concessive force)
because, since (causal connection)
but (after negative)
that if, for if, indeed if, for though, but if
but rather, but
except that
only, nevertheless
surely
that is
but if
for though
forasmuch as, for therefore

yet i do stick to Rashi's explanation
it is in line with what he said on Genesis 2:24 https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cd ... rashi/true
"basar echad" one flesh. The fetus is formed by them both, and there [in the child] their flesh becomes one. — [from Sanh. 58a]

And I stick with Paul's explanation:

Ephesias 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:01 pm

Yes, that's ONE of the values you can use for mem. There are no rules about how to spell the letters, and Jewish tradition often spells them different to discover different "truths". See the table below.

Now you do the same to serve your "truth"

Not true. I was using the value mem = 90 for Hebrew miliu before I encounted Jesus = 888. I was not a Christian at that time. The numerical "coincidence" had nothing to do with the truth I now proclaim about my Lord Jesus Christ.

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:01 pm

It's very strange that you are able to play with Hebrew and Greek gematria, but are blind to the supernatural integration of Genesis and John.

supernatural integrated in your phantasy

I've proven it and no one can refute it. You haven't even tried.

RAMcGough wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:10 pm
And I stick with Paul's explanation:

Ephesias 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Maybe Paul meant the same as what Rashi meant'

idea also expressed in Matthew 19 (= Mark 10)
“Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

(I thought it to be about the sixth and seventh day joined together in the name of God ("hashem")

Not true. I was using the value mem = 90 for Hebrew miliu before I encounted Jesus = 888. I was not a Christian at that time. The numerical "coincidence" had nothing to do with the truth I now proclaim about my Lord Jesus Christ.

that's strange, since the normal spelling of the letter "mem" is "mem" and not "mayim"
How you came to "mayim"?

there is a nice thing about "makom" = 186

in full "mem"+ "kof" + "vav" + "mem" it is 358 = "mashiach"

I've proven it and no one can refute it. You haven't even tried.

you even can't compare

John 1:1 in Greek gematria is just superficial 93 x 39, numbers that have no special meaning, except for that you will say 39 = "hashem echad" -- but that's Hebrew

Genesis 1:1 has many layers

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sat Mar 14, 2026 1:35 pm

you even can't compare

John 1:1 in Greek gematria is just superficial 93 x 39, numbers that have no special meaning, except for that you will say 39 = "hashem echad" -- but that's Hebrew

Genesis 1:1 has many layers

yet remarkable : 2701 + 3627 = 6328 = T112

112 = "hashem elohim"
also "yabok" -the name of the river where Jacob wrestled with an angel to become Israel

and 6328 being a permutation of 2368 = Jesus Christ (in Greek)

https://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Creation_John1.php

as if the devil is playing with it

Geert van den Bos wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2026 3:07 am yet remarkable : 2701 + 3627 = 6328 = T112

112 = "hashem elohim"
also "yabok" -the name of the river where Jacob wrestled with an angel to become Israel

and 6328 being a permutation of 2368 = Jesus Christ (in Greek)

https://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Creation_John1.php

as if the devil is playing with it

It's good to see that you recognize some of the "coincidences" as remarkable.

Consider this:

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God (El echad) created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

13 = ONE (ECHAD)
31 = GOD (EL)

John 1:1 = 3627 = 3 x 13 x 31 x 3 = 39 (YHVH ECHAD) x 93 (AGAPE/LOVE)

Both Jesus and the Jews agree that the Shema is the greatest commandment. It begins by declaring God is ONE = 13 (echad) and then immediately commands us to LOVE = Ahavah = 13 God.

LOVE = 13 = UNITY (Jews know this identity very well).

Sum of Shema = 1118 = 13 (ONE/Echad) x 86 (GOD/Elohim)

God designed both Hebrew and Greek to declare his eternal truths.

I agree that Hebrew is different than Greek. The Hebrew letters have deep meaning, revealed in the names of the letters and how they were used in the Alphabetic verses. We don't see that in the Greek. God used the Hebrew letters to design His Word in the form of the Wheel (galgal = 66).

The creator of heaven and earth is a Hebrew letter name, not a Greek letter name and also not a number.

Geert van den Bos wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2026 12:34 am The creator of heaven and earth is a Hebrew letter name, not a Greek letter name and also not a number.

Why King James Only? That doesn't make any sense. Don't be offended, but that is crazy stuff.
Why not Hebrew is the word of God, why King James Only?