Divine Epistemology - Knowing God

[RAMcGough]

They all need it to be historical

That's why the screaming: "Crucify him, crucify him"

If you deny the crucifixion actually happened, what makes you think anyone was screaming to crucify him?

Your comments seem totally incoherent and built upon self-contradictory presuppositions.

[Geert van den Bos]

If you deny the crucifixion actually happened

I didn't deny that

what makes you think anyone was screaming to crucify him?

John 19
14 Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour. He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” 15 They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.” 16 So he delivered him over to them to be crucified.

“We have no king but Caesar.” = historic king

Caesar had call himself σωτὴρ = Savior, just like Donald Trump

[RAMcGough]

If you deny the crucifixion actually happened

I didn't deny that

You said "you mean crucifiction? (since the crucifixion is not firmly established fact )".

That sounds like denial to me. If that's not what you meant, you need to learn how to communicate better. You're wasting my time with very misleading comments.

“We have no king but Caesar.” = historic king

So you're accepting that as a historical fact while denying the crucifixion is a historical fact?

[Geert van den Bos]

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You said "you mean crucifiction? (since the crucifixion is not firmly established fact )".

That sounds like denial to me. If that's not what you meant, you need to learn how to communicate better. You're wasting my time with very misleading comments.

All the stories around the crucifixion are made up, fiction, metaphorical, from the triumphal entry into Jerusalem unto the finding of an empty grave.
They serve the purpose of illustrating that man, although only created on the sixth day as crown of creation, was as resurrected one already present on the first.

So you're accepting that as a historical fact while denying the crucifixion is a historical fact?

is also metaphor

also in Mark, in the question about paying taxes to Caesar

Mark 12:13,
οἱ δὲ ἤνεγκαν. καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς, Τίνος ἡ εἰκὼν αὕτη καὶ ἡ ἐπιγραφή; οἱ δὲ εἶπαν αὐτῷ, Καίσαρος.

εἰκὼν , like the image of the beast, Revelation 13:14-15,
καὶ πλανᾷ τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς διὰ τὰ σημεῖα ἃ ἐδόθη αὐτῷ ποιῆσαι ἐνώπιον τοῦ θηρίου, λέγων τοῖς κατοικοῦσιν ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ποιῆσαι εἰκόνα τῷ θηρίῳ ὃς ἔχει τὴν πληγὴν τῆς μαχαίρης καὶ ἔζησεν.καὶ ἐδόθη αὐτῷ δοῦναι πνεῦμα τῇ εἰκόνι τοῦ θηρίου, ἵνα καὶ λαλήσῃ ἡ εἰκὼν τοῦ θηρίου καὶ ποιήσῃ [ἵνα] ὅσοι ἐὰν μὴ προσκυνήσωσιν τῇ εἰκόνι τοῦ θηρίου ἀποκτανθῶσιν.

ἐπιγραφή also on the cross, Mark 15:26
καὶ ἦν ἡ ἐπιγραφὴ τῆς αἰτίας αὐτοῦ ἐπιγεγραμμένη, Ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων

i.e. the veneration of the cross is idol-worship!

https://catholicphilly.com/2016/03/cath ... pope-says/
. “If we want to know the love of God, let us look to the crucifix.”

[Geert van den Bos]

John 19:30
ὅτε οὖν ἔλαβεν τὸ ὄξος [ὁ] Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν, Τετέλεσται· καὶ κλίνας τὴν κεφαλὴν παρέδωκεν τὸ πνεῦμα.

is a clear reference to the name of God in the initial letters of "yom hashishi vay'chullu hashamayim" in Genesis 1:31-2:1

since "hashishi" is the 434th word in the Torah and 434 ="delet"(= door) , the name of the last letter of the "shema" ideally spoken out with the last breath

and Τετέλεσται refers to the first word of Genesis 2:1
LXX καὶ συνετελέσθησαν ὁ οὐρανὸς καὶ ἡ γῆ καὶ πᾶς ὁ κόσμος αὐτῶν

That John knew well about the number of letters in Genesis 1 is clear from the number of fishes dragged ashore by Simon Peter
and also knew about gematria of "yom shishi" (=666) and "yom hashishi" (= 671 = "yeshu hanotzri" )

[Geert van den Bos]

John 19:30
ὅτε οὖν ἔλαβεν τὸ ὄξος [ὁ] Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν, Τετέλεσται· καὶ κλίνας τὴν κεφαλὴν παρέδωκεν τὸ πνεῦμα.

is a clear reference to the name of God in the initial letters of "yom hashishi vay'chullu hashamayim" in Genesis 1:31-2:1

since "hashishi" is the 434th word in the Torah and 434 ="delet"(= door) , the name of the last letter of the "shema" ideally spoken out with the last breath

and Τετέλεσται refers to the first word of Genesis 2:1
LXX καὶ συνετελέσθησαν ὁ οὐρανὸς καὶ ἡ γῆ καὶ πᾶς ὁ κόσμος αὐτῶν

That John knew well about the number of letters in Genesis 1 is clear from the number of fishes dragged ashore by Simon Peter
and also knew about gematria of "yom shishi" (=666) and "yom hashishi" (= 671 = "yeshu hanotzri" )

the beforegoing word of Jesus was Διψῶ = I thirst

John 19:28,
Μετὰ τοῦτο εἰδὼς ὁ Ἰησοῦς ὅτι ἤδη πάντα τετέλεσται, ἵνα τελειωθῇ ἡ γραφή, λέγει, Διψῶ.

διψάω
https://biblehub.com/greek/1372.htm

also in John 4:13-14-15

and in Revelation 21:6,
ἐγὼ τῷ διψῶντι δώσω ἐκ τῆς πηγῆς τοῦ ὕδατος τῆς ζωῆς δωρεάν

πηγή was LXX-translation of Hebrew "ed"in Genesis 2:6

Matthew 5:6,
μακάριοι οἱ πεινῶντες καὶ διψῶντες τὴν δικαιοσύνην, ὅτι αὐτοὶ χορτασθήσονται.
Hapy are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied