Divine Epistemology - Knowing God

[RAMcGough]

Like I said Geert, you need to REPENT and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!

Amen.

The Gospel is not

"Jesus is God"

or

"888 is God"

or

"2368 is God"

So tell us what is the Gospel! I'm all ears Geert.

[Geert van den Bos]

Like I said Geert, you need to REPENT and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL!

Amen.

The Gospel is not

"Jesus is God"

or

"888 is God"

or

"2368 is God"

So tell us what is the Gospel! I'm all ears Geert.

Mark 1:1-2

"The beginning/principle/main thing of the gospel of Jesus Christ (the son of God) is in accordace with what was written in the prophet Isaiah (...)
that John appeared baptizing in the desert and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for forgiveness of sins and the whole land of Judea and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem came to him en were baptized by him in the Jordan river confessing their sins (...) and that in those days Jesus came from Nazaret in Galilee and was baptized in the Jordan by John and immediately coming out of the water he saw the heavens being torn open and the spirit like a dove descending on him and a voice came from heaven YOU ARE MY SON THE BELOVED ONE (="hayachid" of Zechariah 12:10), in you I am well pleased"

This being also expressed in the number153 of the fish, since it is about Genesis 1:11-12, where the original sin appears to be expressed in the written Torah, in that the earth didn't bring forth what was asked from her and that God saw it to be good, which means that sin, death and resurrection were incalculated in creation

[Geert van den Bos]

Mark 1:1-2

"The beginning/principle/main thing of the gospel of Jesus Christ (the son of God) is in accordace with what was written in the prophet Isaiah (...)
that John appeared baptizing in the desert and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for forgiveness of sins and the whole land of Judea and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem came to him en were baptized by him in the Jordan river confessing their sins (...) and that in those days Jesus came from Nazaret in Galilee and was baptized in the Jordan by John and immediately coming out of the water he saw the heavens being torn open and the spirit like a dove descending on him and a voice came from heaven YOU ARE MY SON THE BELOVED ONE (="hayachid" of Zechariah 12:10), in you I am well pleased"

This being also expressed in the number153 of the fish, since it is about Genesis 1:11-12, where the original sin appears to be expressed in the written Torah, in that the earth didn't bring forth what was asked from her and that God saw it to be good, which means that sin, death and resurrection were incalculated in creation

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Zechaiah 12:10 LXX
καὶ ἐκχεῶ ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Δαυιδ καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς κατοικοῦντας Ιερουσαλημ πνεῦμα χάριτος καὶ οἰκτιρμοῦ καὶ ἐπιβλέψονται πρός με ἀνθ᾽ ὧν κατωρχήσαντο καὶ κόψονται ἐπ᾽ αὐτὸν κοπετὸν ὡς ἐπ᾽ ἀγαπητὸν καὶ ὀδυνηθήσονται ὀδύνην ὡς ἐπὶ πρωτοτόκῳ

cf.Mark 1:5
καὶ ἐξεπορεύετο πρὸς αὐτὸν πᾶσα ἡ Ἰουδαία χώρα καὶ οἱ Ἱεροσολυμῖται πάντες, καὶ ἐβαπτίζοντο ὑπ' αὐτοῦ ἐν τῷ Ἰορδάνῃ ποταμῷ ἐξομολογούμενοι τὰς ἁμαρτίας

ἀγαπητός translated הַיָּחִ֔יד
https://www.sefaria.org/Zechariah.12.10?lang=bi

We saw already that Jewish translations seem to be corrupt, to avoid the Christian interpretation

ר֤וּחַ חֵן֙ וְתַ֣חֲנוּנִ֔ים spirit of grace and supplication , both from root חָנַן
from which also the name Ἰωάννης = "yochanan" or "yehochanan"

חֵן
the favor/ grace Noach found in the eyes of Hashem at the moment he was about to destroy mankind he had created from the face of the earth, Genesis 6:7
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8171

[RAMcGough]

Mark 1:1-2

"The beginning/principle/main thing of the gospel of Jesus Christ (the son of God) is in accordace with what was written in the prophet Isaiah (...)
that John appeared baptizing in the desert and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for forgiveness of sins and the whole land of Judea and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem came to him en were baptized by him in the Jordan river confessing their sins (...) and that in those days Jesus came from Nazaret in Galilee and was baptized in the Jordan by John and immediately coming out of the water he saw the heavens being torn open and the spirit like a dove descending on him and a voice came from heaven YOU ARE MY SON THE BELOVED ONE (="hayachid" of Zechariah 12:10), in you I am well pleased"

This being also expressed in the number153 of the fish, since it is about Genesis 1:11-12, where the original sin appears to be expressed in the written Torah, in that the earth didn't bring forth what was asked from her and that God saw it to be good, which means that sin, death and resurrection were incalculated in creation

I had no idea that you recognized Jesus as HaYachid = 37. That's awesome!

Did you choose to answer by quoting Mark because it has these words of Jesus just a few verses later?

Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

I agree that "sin, death and resurrection were incalculated in creation" - Jesus the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. And this coheres well with the number 17 = zebach (sacrifice) and tov (good) and The Will of God = 1717 = Good (17/Tov) x Command (101/Tzevah)

T(17) = 153 = HaPesach (The Passover Lamb)

These words come together with maqom (place) and God's name in Deuternomy 16:6

Deu 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

The word "place" refers to quph = 186 = maqom which is the place God was crucified: Golgotha = 186.

This is the 186 = "ehven negeph" the "stone of stumbling" (Isaiah 8:14, 1 Peter 2:8, Romans 9:32).

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This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, our crucified and resurrected Lord God Almighty.

Rabbis know a lot about this place (where God put His Name). It is the "place" where God's Name was "squared" = 10² + 5² + 6² + 5² = 186

squared = crucified in this context.

The 19th verse of the 19th chapter of John tells us His Name:

Joh 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

This is the Gospel.

[Geert van den Bos]

squared = crucified in this context.

The 19th verse of the 19th chapter of John tells us His Name:

Joh 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

This is the Gospel.

The Roman Catholic church needed him to be crucified in order to confect the eucharist

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/cong ... le_en.html

Although all the faithful indeed share in the one and the same priesthood of Christ and participate in the offering of the Eucharist, it is only the ministerial priest who, in virtue of the sacrament of holy Orders, can confect the Eucharistic Sacrifice in the person of Christ and offer it in the name of all Christian people.

but his Hebrew name was "yeshu hanotzri" (=671)

671 also "astir" in Ezekiel 39:29, וְלֹֽא־אַסְתִּ֥יר ע֛וֹד פָּנַ֖י מֵהֶ֑ם אֲשֶׁ֨ר שָׁפַ֚כְתִּי אֶת־רוּחִי֙ עַל־בֵּ֣ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל נְאֻ֖ם אֲדֹנָ֥י יֱהֹוִֽה
And I shall no longer hide My face from them, for I shall have poured out My spirit upon the House of Israel," says the Lord God.

After Rabbi Singer not very far away in time

[RAMcGough]

The Roman Catholic church needed him to be crucified in order to convect the eucharist

So now you deny the Gospel? And history too? Your posts make no sense at all.

The crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ is both the core of the Gospel and one of the most firmly established facts of history.

but his Hebrew name was "yeshu hanotzri" (=671)

671 also "astir" in Ezekiel 39:29, וְלֹֽא־אַסְתִּ֥יר ע֛וֹד פָּנַ֖י מֵהֶ֑ם אֲשֶׁ֨ר שָׁפַ֚כְתִּי אֶת־רוּחִי֙ עַל־בֵּ֣ית יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל נְאֻ֖ם אֲדֹנָ֥י יֱהֹוִֽה
And I shall no longer hide My face from them, for I shall have poured out My spirit upon the House of Israel," says the Lord God.

His name is Yehoshua HaMeshiach.

The name Yeshu was invented by Jews who hate Him. They invented it an acronym meaning "May his name be blotted out forever".

You really need to repent and believe the Gospel! You've had your nose in the NT for decades. You have no excuse for your rejection of Christ.

[Geert van den Bos]

The crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ is both the core of the Gospel and one of the most firmly established facts of history.

you mean crucifiction? (since the crucifixion is not firmly established fact )

His name is Yehoshua HaMeshiach.

it was about the title mentioned in John 19:19
γεγραμμένον, Ἰησοῦς ὁ Ναζωραῖος ὁ βασιλεὺς τῶν Ἰουδαίων (...) καὶ ἦν γεγραμμένον Ἑβραϊστί, Ῥωμαϊστί, Ἑλληνιστί.

The name Yeshu was invented by Jews who hate Him. They invented it an acronym meaning "May his name be blotted out forever".

That his name was Yeshu might be clear from the number of fishes Simon Peter dragged ashore.
It is all about the name of God in the initials of "yom hashishi (the day of crucifiction) vay'chullu hashamayim" - you also might have known from Revelation 13:18

ὁ Ναζωραῖος is not "of Nazaret" -- it is after Isaiah 11:1 וְיָצָ֥א חֹ֖טֶר מִגֶּ֣זַע יִשָׁ֑י וְנֵ֖צֶר מִשָּֽׁרָשָׁ֥יו יִפְרֶֽה
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cd ... rashi/true

[RAMcGough]

The crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ is both the core of the Gospel and one of the most firmly established facts of history.

you mean crucifiction? (since the crucifixion is not firmly established fact )

Get real. The vast majority of scholars disagree with you on this point. Grok says:

The scholarly consensus among historians, biblical scholars, and experts in ancient Near Eastern/Roman history is that the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth is a historical fact. It is widely regarded as one of the most securely established events in the life of Jesus (along with his baptism by John the Baptist).

This view is held across a broad spectrum:

• Conservative, moderate, and liberal Christian scholars.
• Secular/non-religious historians.
• Jewish scholars.
• Agnostic or skeptical scholars (e.g., Bart Ehrman, an agnostic New Testament scholar, describes the crucifixion under Pontius Pilate as "one of the most secure facts we have about [Jesus'] life").

Wikipedia's article on the Crucifixion of Jesus summarizes: "Scholars nearly universally accept the historicity of Jesus' crucifixion, although there is no consensus on the details" (such as the precise date, often placed in AD 30 or 33, or exact medical cause of death).

You really need to repent and believe the Gospel.

[Geert van den Bos]

Get real. The vast majority of scholars disagree with you on this point. Grok says:

The scholarly consensus among historians, biblical scholars, and experts in ancient Near Eastern/Roman history is that the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth is a historical fact. It is widely regarded as one of the most securely established events in the life of Jesus (along with his baptism by John the Baptist).

This view is held across a broad spectrum:

• Conservative, moderate, and liberal Christian scholars.
• Secular/non-religious historians.
• Jewish scholars.
• Agnostic or skeptical scholars (e.g., Bart Ehrman, an agnostic New Testament scholar, describes the crucifixion under Pontius Pilate as "one of the most secure facts we have about [Jesus'] life").

Wikipedia's article on the Crucifixion of Jesus summarizes: "Scholars nearly universally accept the historicity of Jesus' crucifixion, although there is no consensus on the details" (such as the precise date, often placed in AD 30 or 33, or exact medical cause of death).

They all need it to be historical

That's why the screaming: "Crucify him, crucify him"

[Geert van den Bos]

They all need it to be historical

That's why the screaming: "Crucify him, crucify him"

But he was born already crucified

Mary gave birth to the crucified Jesus

Matthew 1:16
Ἰακὼβ δὲ ἐγέννησεν τὸν Ἰωσὴφ τὸν ἄνδρα Μαρίας, ἐξ ἧς ἐγεννήθη Ἰησοῦς ὁ λεγόμενος Χριστός.

Matthew 1:18
Τοῦ δὲ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἡ γένεσις οὕτως ἦν. μνηστευθείσης τῆς μητρὸς αὐτοῦ Μαρίας τῷ Ἰωσήφ, πρὶν ἢ συνελθεῖν αὐτοὺς εὑρέθη ἐν γαστρὶ ἔχουσα ἐκ πνεύματος ἁγίου.